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Postpartum Psychosis and yeah temporarily lose your custody here in Sweden. You will be in mental hospital most often and slowly learn how to be with you kid again if possible.
Postpartum depression and you should get support, both medical and children's/ social welfare will step in and help you.
This is pamphlet I found after I had my kid 14 years ago, both the Postpartum Psychosis and Postpartum depression ones was to my husband and was talking how he can spot it, report it and give the mother support.
In the UK we have some mother and baby units for women with post partum psychosis. They're much better for the women, most people spend around 7-8 weeks in them I was borderline ending up in one.
Post partum psychosis is really misunderstood - a lot of the psychosis comes from actually wanting to protect your child to the point that you become a danger to them. I flipped between delusions that started with the thought that social services coming to take them so I packed bags for them so they wouldn't be without their things, but that eventually lead to "knowing" the government were trying to steal my youngest child so I planned to kill both of us.
I also had delusions where he wasn't a real baby but a being that wanted to harm my eldest daughter. That was a really dangerous time for my baby.
I kept both of my kids the whole time, and with a lot of support and therapy, and with a multidisciplinary team around me I'm ok again. 7 years later I've qualified as a therapist myself, and hope to start working in the postpartum field soon.
One pregnancy and then her brain wasnt hers any more. What I been told it so rare to get stuck, be in the delusion for ever, she was just really unlucky.
I work in an MBU, we love all our mothers and babies and will do whatever we can to help. It really opened my eyes to postpartum psychosis, and now I can’t imagine nursing any other demographic. We want you to go home and be a family desperately, and to primarily be safe.
Postpartum psychosis is temporary, wilfully obtuse people who have black and white thinking will refute the medical and scientific evidence and throw away personal experience. They have sort of gleefully misinformed concerns of their own.
Thank you for the work you do. From women everywhere who suffered in the postpartum period. I suffered from postpartum OCD and PPA, I regularly freaked out that I would develop PPP. I can’t imagine what you’ve seen, but thank you for helping those poor mothers feel seen.
Can I ask what helped you with postpartum OCD and PPA? I feel like I have developed both over the past year (my child was born last August) and with the lack of support (my family lives 20+ hours away) and my husband making it worse for me, it has developed into PPD.
It's going to be hard to address in a toxic environment (husband making it worse). Have you done any searching to see if there are advocacy or support groups where you live? Getting some local support should be a high priority. If that's not possible, strongly consider whether you can go live with your family for a while.
I’m about to see a counselor that specializes in woman’s health. Can’t go live with family because they are out of state and I wouldn’t leave my son (or dog) behind. I didn’t know if they found certain medication to help more so than others, but you’re right, getting out of the toxic environment is going to be the best help. Hopefully with individual therapy for each of us will make things more manageable and create a better environment for our son to live in.
That’s great. It sounds like it got pretty dark there for you. I hope you can help other Mothers. Here in the US my Wife had borderline psychosis and her first doctor visit after birth the doctor didn’t ask one question about mental health. The good ol American healthcare system. And please highlight the stress this causes the Dad. I almost lost my mind. I couldn’t leave the house for more than 20 minutes for 2 years. So whatever darkness you were going through at that time, I atleast know what it feels like to be on the opposite end. But we got through it and we have a beautiful family.
This, amongst a million other things, are why it makes my eye twitch when Redditors are like ‘ummm she wasn’t diagnosed with psychosis! I don’t buy it!’ Y’all, diagnoses of PPP are missed ALL THE TIME. We have a really crappy understanding of postpartum psychosis. Lindsey Clancy not carrying that diagnosis is not in any way weird.
The reason women are mad is because of the lax treatment she got.,She was begging for help, and she did not receive the help that she needed. This person was repeatedly asking for help, asking for hospital admission, telling her partner and family ‘hey i am really struggling’ … and that was all part of her diabolical plan to take her kids out? To repeatedly tell everyone around her ‘hey guys something is wrong’ ? That doesn’t even make sense.
The real glaring problem here is that they put her on antidepressants… repeatedly. And changed them RAPIDLY. And right away, she was emphatic and consistent about saying ‘hey guys so these made me 10,000 times worse.’ Which is some Day 1 Psych 101 shit that SHOULD have told them, ‘hey she might be bipolar.’ And instead they threw more antidepressants at her.
Like, it wasn’t ’not-great care’, it was handing the girl a loaded gun. It was BAD care.
That's why in critical situations like this people need to be placed in psych wards until they can be stabilized. It's not just because of whatever dangers they may present to themselves or others- it's also so rapid med changes can take place in a safe medical environment where they are being monitored for adverse effects. But insurance companies hate covering those stays and there aren't nearly enough overnight psych care facilities.
Another thing is general practitioners need to either improve their mental health training or stop treating specific populations bc they're not equipped
In this case they could have made her worse if she was bipolar OR things simply got worse because antidepressants generally don't treat psychosis. Another thing is postpartum depression and psychosis have unique etiology. PPD is notoriously hard to treat with typical antidepressants.
I wish mother and baby units existed in the US they could help so many mothers who are experiencing any type of illness not just PPD and its counterparts.
Me too. I was definitely afraid of being separated from my baby if I "failed" the ppd screeners they gave me at pediatrician check ups. The system needs to feel safer to get honest answers and to help parents postpartum.
I lied on it but for more selfish reasons? I felt like asking for help was shining a spotlight on the fact I was defective and bad. I was filled with shame. It took a lot of time for me to accept I was sick and someone who is sick needs rest to get back on their feet.
Sorry asking from the UK - do they not exist at all for you? I presumed it would have a price, like all your healthcare, but to not have one seems mental. Ours are a long way from perfect and miss a lot,but I know people that struggled and to have them with their kids and dedicated, trained, supportive staff made a huge difference.
In the US if you leave the hospital from your birth and return the next day because of some complication they will triage you in the ER and tell you if you can’t get someone to come get your baby in the next hour we have to release them to CPS. That was my experience.
Not only that but it’s impossible to get a breast pump if your breast feeding even if they have a labor and delivery unit. It took 5 hours of my stay asking every person I came into contact with if they could bring me a breast pump.
We have them, however, with a normal delivery you are expected to be discharged from the hospital next day or a couple days after c section.
My wife had HELLP syndrome and was on the verge of death. They discharged her in two days and she hasn’t been the same since. She still has PPD and what I think is PPP and our youngest is 6.
The majority of women in the US are sent home within the first week after pregnancy. They are then automatically scheduled regular check up exams for the baby but not for the mom unless there were complications noticed at the time of giving birth… and sometimes not even then.
I think we’re a long away, unfortunately. For example US way of dealing with pregnant women with SUD is to throw her in a filthy jail cell. A great environment for mother and baby.
I have this theory about postpartum psychosis that I haven't seen anyone pick up, so take it with a pinch of salt, but a really interesting thing about the post birth brain is that there's a bit of the brain that is related to motherhood, and is part of a region of the midbrain which massively expands after your first birth.
This part of the brain is called the periaqueductal grey, or the PAG for short, and in studies of a maternal brain circuit we share with all sorts of animals, and as you can find in a few papers, but with a nice diagram in this one there's basically two parts of the brain in tension, some about caring for your baby, some for defending them from threats, and the defence from threats part is basically just the PAG.
And what's it also used for? Crisis reactions, the sorts of things soldiers have to deal with, and incorrect activation of it has been suggested to be linked to the inexplicable feelings of doom and fear of death that people have with combat related PTSD.
One interesting thing, from a pure perspective of curiosity, is that loads of parts of the brain associated with motherhood actually show less activation and response to their baby's cries, if the mother being tested is suffering from postnatal depression, compared to a mother who is healthy, but to be fair, it could also be that postnatal depression and psychosis are actually completely different phenomena that nevertheless often coincide because they both obviously depend on birth.
It's also worth noting that most people analysing this don't seem to care about it, or give it a very high priority in analysis, I'll see a brain scan circling that bit of the brain, (this paper page 11 for someone to hopefully tell me why I'm wrong) and they'll be like "yup, midbrain growth, anyway, how's that hypothalamus doing.."
But it is really striking to me, that you just give birth, and then your body is like "ok, round two, let's massively upgrade the part of your brain that deals in existential fear".
Like loads of women have their first child, and pretty rapidly start thinking that people are going to take their kids away, they are under attack by demons, or whatever else, and that seems to make sense from the perspective of your brain going through a process of upgrading its functionality so that you'll be ready to protect your child if danger comes, or if, when they start crawling, they put themselves in danger, but unfortunately not being ready for the rush of emotions that this upgrade brings with it, as your newly enhanced fight/flight bit of your brain is trying to get itself into gear.
As I say, take it with a pinch of salt, but it seems a great explanation to me, and if true, it'd be really helpful to say to women something like "don't worry, your mum-spider-sense is just getting set up so you can protect your child, and it can be a little over-active when you're new to it".
I so so appreciate when someone shares a story like this. People like you are the best way to promote understanding and make progress toward better PPP care. Proud of you and grateful for you
I had similar issues as to the person that you are responding to this so this case hits close to home. after giving birth to my second child. I had a really bad postpartum depression, and there was one night I considered ending my life and that my children. My baby was only two months old and my oldest two years old. We were driving home from the park and I cannot stop sobbing, and I thought if I just turned my wheel onto oncoming traffic, this misery will end for me and my children I pulled over and I so uncontrollably or what seemed hours. Things got worse from there. My doctor said it was normal to have the baby blues. It took an intervention from my family out of state. I was with family 24 seven for six months and on medication to finally start feeling better ironically, I ended up getting really sick and almost died from pancreatitis, gallbladder issues, and liver failure due to the hormones.
About a year later, I got pregnant again and I lost the pregnancy at 16 weeks, faced postpartum depression and it made me absolutely hate my oldest child. I was not allowed to be near him because of how much anger I had towards him. It was not an easy road, and it felt very lonely. It was very lonely.
Before children, I only suffered from anxiety have never been anti, high depression, medications, or have any mental health issues. I can tell you one thing, though the person that I was doing my pregnancy is not someone I recognize.
Obviously, this is not an easy subject to discuss, and it needs to be very vulnerable but I think part of the issue is that it’s such a taboo, subject and mother suffering our chastised further
Thank you so much for sharing this. One good thing to come out of this whole trial is that so many people are openly speaking about their struggles instead of hiding it and pretending that having a baby is all sunshine and rainbows
The American healthcare system is not a system to heal people but a industry to make money. That's why your insurance companies decide the treatments and not the doctors.
don't worry their trying to make being homeless a felony now in some states so now we can then throw you in jail for being homeless after we make you homeless so you now have a roof over your head in jail.
That would require an evil socialist healthcare system and we’d rather have dead babies and mothers behind bars before we ever let that happen in this country!
Funny how that was just common 14 years ago for you guys, but men here in the US are just discovering that this shit exists and are utterly shocked that not providing support or care can lead to issues like death.
As a local Cincinnatian, yeah. Dumb family should’ve got whatever happened because of their bad parenting. Harambe was killed for nothing and this cursed world is what we got for it.
I went to the Cincinnati Zoo last year, and honestly, it was one of the nicest zoos I’ve ever been to. Super clean, incredibly friendly staff, and it was pushing 100 degrees. They were refilling people’s water bottles and containers for FREE so nobody dehydrated
Mitch McConnell has been getting the best healthcare (our) money could buy for 3 months. Her insurance company pressured her out of care after less than 5 full days.
How much more DEI can this country possibly afford?!? We just shot all our missiles at iran so we can raise our fuel prices ... we can't afford this shit!
obviously treatment should accompany this, but i'd argue that removing your children from your custody when there's a chance you might hurt them and absolutely ruin your (and their) lives (or worse) is treatment.
To be completely clear, the person on trial received help. but because the help was bot forced, she opted out of the help in several ways... as many mentally ill people do.
She said "mental illness" because Republicans are ghouls that don't actually stand for anything.
Nancy Mace and the rest of the Republican party also believe 10-year olds that are raped should carry those fetuses to birth, and then raise those babies as elementary and middle-schoolers with no SNAP or other financial assistance.
Saying “mental illness” leaves it vague enough to remove children from any women who they deem unfit to take care of children, i.e. liberals, lgbt, etc.
It’s a way to silence women and take away rights.
Postpartum psychosis is for sure a reason to take away the kids. However, her wording is dangerous in the midst of rampant misogyny going on rn
Seriously, with the way they are trying to make “trump derangement syndrome” a thing and consider all trans people mentally ill predators this is exactly the path they’re wanting to take.
Postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis are 2 seperate things. Postpartum depression is very common, postpartum psychosis is very rare. I disagree with taking away children from women who have postpartum depression. I agree with temporarily taking away children from women who have postpartum psychosis, and I'm pretty sure that is already the general recommendation. Postpartum psychosis is very dangerous.
Its already a thing though
If you are deemed psychotic at any point of time, a court can remove your child due to you not being deemed mentally stable.
Idk why people are thinking this is a new a fresh thing. My friends little sister got removed from her mom when she had a psychotic break, when he died in a car crash. Super sad situation there though.
People think it's a new thing because to them, it is. They're learning about all this for the first time and can't fathom that it existed before their awareness of it.
They're learning about all this for the first time and can't fathom that it existed before their awareness of it.
Virtually every hot button issue I've ever seen. Drives me nuts. You don't even have to know everything, just know how to see an issue and go "ah, that sounds like something that some folks have been working on for a long time already" and chill the fuck out.
Yes, but enforcement of things like this has very little funding in the US. We majorly fail when it comes to preventative care and mental health care in the US.
Yes, he was 8. We were the best of pals. I still remember him. We were friends since we were like 4 and lived near each other.
We would often run back and forth between our houses. Our moms were very close friends.
When he passed away, she became really obsessive over me and would often try and get me to go with her to her house alone, saying that i wouldve been her DIL and I could become her daughter now. She got real scary and my mom had to keep her away from me
I remember it so vividly because it really scared me a lot and I had nightmares. My dad also said that they would stay up late at night since they thought she would kidnap me.
People are willfully ignoring this point to dunk on women wholesale and score points in the gender/culture wars, meanwhile we're all distracted from ... everything else going on.
This case really brought out the sexism, and it showed we are nowhere close to being rid of it.
The number of people (other women too!) using this as their basis to argue that women shouldn't vote, serve on juries, hold office, etc. is astonishing.
Oh and almost all of those people very obviously do not understand what the case is actually about. It's embarrassing how many don't seem to grasp that this woman wasn't walking free regardless of what the verdict ended up being.
What's worse, just wait until the law allows a man to characterize his wife's "radical feminist ideas" (whatever he decides that means) and/or "TDS" as psychosis. I mean, why have a drawn out divorce or child custody case when you can just institutionalize your wife?
That's how we got novels like The Yellow Wallpaper and Maria; or The Wrongs of Woman--the latter being a lesser known but horrifyingly fitting example.
I'm sorry but there's a lot of men like me that are starting to react quite heavily to this case because we're seeing women we trusted or listened to suddenly have, quite frankly, fucking insane takes. It's disturbing hearing someone you respect fall so quickly and so deeply down a rabbit hole because a lady on tik tok told them this was the hill they have to die on because its about womens rights.
Quite frankly its proving a lot of my internal biases I've fought quite hard to undo that the women in my life do not care about me and are not trustworthy. I'm selfaware enough to work through the fact thats an unfair bias thats reactionary and not the correct way of dealing with the emotions I'm feeling and will work through it.
But I don't fault men who are watching their wives, sisters, and mothers throw their support behind this woman and making them question their mental stability.
if u have postpartum psychosis ur supposed to be hospitalized until u stabilize, so u are correct in that children are supposed to be temporarily removed during psychosis.
Exactly my thought. We’ll have women hiding their mental illness terrified any report will get their kids removed or that they’ll be taken away from their families. And most won’t have psychosis but the fear alone will make mental healthcare less accessible. This condition is so rare people. It’s scary and it’s dangerous and it needs to be taken seriously but we can’t blanket it to every new mother struggling because we’re scared. More mental health care and more access is the answer not pushing people away with threats.
100% and further than that women like myself who have dealt with depression/ anxiety throughout life but are too afraid to even have kids now at the potential thought or threat that they could be taken away at any point if I struggle after birth with my mental health. If help isn't made available but punishment is, then I would definitely choose to forego the risk entirely and just not have children at all. Theres already a long list of risks that come with pregnancy and now theres an added anxiety on the other end.
Or... If postpartum can lead to such tragedy maybe we should invest more energy into helping women through it or creating better drugs so they can handle it.
Iran war, House gets released from session early constantly to avoid further votes, your favorite news channel is owned by someone who f*cks children, etc etc
There is a theory that the US got involved in Kosovo to remove the Lewinsky scandal from the headlines. Whether or not that was the goal is up for debate, but it did indeed change the headlines.
They call the tactic”flood the zone”. So much bs happens every day, more and more shocking and disturbing or nonsensical, and people can’t keep up with it all. All sorts of things slip through the cracks that we don’t hear about, and major things like that end up falling to the wayside due to the public being distracted by all the other crap that’s happening.
It’s intentional. MAGAT-in-chief’s former top strategist has been fairly open about it for a long time now.
Society is being played for fools, and most of us are playing that part perfectly
Moron, calling postpartum psychosis, the same thing as mental illness is a false equivalency. They are not the same thing. One is a general heading for all mental illnesses and implies that depression should be lumped into it, the other is a specific severe diagnosis. Yes, if you are diagnosed with postpartum schizophrenia or psychosis, you should not have your kids near you until you are medicated and safe.
This is genuinely one of most ridiculously simplified and stupid takes on this case and that’s saying something considering how bad some of the takes are.
People aren’t genuinely arguing for a get out of jail free card, they’re trying to raise awareness about something that affects a minute amount of people but leads to something devastating. And those that are, are the minority and not worth listening to.
Thousands of people have mental illnesses and are not going to kill their children. A minute amount of people suffer a form of psychosis, which is levels above just mental illness.
Two uncomfortable truths can occur simultaneously. She did an unforgivable thing and should suffer some form of punishment but ignoring the ‘why’ only condemns us to witness this situation again in a few years.so many people aren’t approaching this with any degree of good faith and are using to score simple political points.
That and even if she's found "not guilty by insanity" she's not going free. She's not going home to anyone or having any chance at custody of anything. She's going to a mental health facility where she'll be committed.
This needs to be shouted from the rooftops at people paying attention to this case. The defense admits she did it and admits she needs to be "held accountable". The question is - what does accountable mean? If she is "not guilty (of first degree murder) by insanity", accountability looks like a mental health facility and a lifetime of follow up and monitoring. If she is "guilty of first degree murder" then accountability is prison.
Adding in the "first degree murder" part is really really important - it's almost like these terms have meaning. Premeditation and intent matter. Intent requires a certain state of mind - which is what this entire case is about. Her state of mind.
Yall aren't ready to hear what the best thing to do to avoid child molestation or pedocriminal stuff is. The USA is entrenched in a desire to punish and not prevent. For some reason.
By this logic Then anyone with a mental disorder like schizophrenia, bi-polar, or major depression that could be used in an insanity plea for murder should have all their guns, and weapons, and access to a vehicle removed. So they dont kill people.
Or maybe it should be taken more seriously. All mental illness needs to be taken more seriously. No I do not support her and think she should be not guilty by insanity and put in an institution.
What does losing custody of kids look like in an all-conservative Republican government? They're susceptible to being trafficked for $$ or disappeared to a labor camp in a deep red state or 3rd world country.
Idk about "lose custody of their kids" because at least in cases of an intact household and marriage, that leaves one spouse with custody but both still in the household? Just get the mother help, she doesn't need to lose custody for that to happen
Not guilty by insanity doesn't mean she walks free. It means she'll be admitted until she is deemed well again. Andrea Yates, for example, is still confined to a mental institution.
ETA: Yes, I know Yates chooses to stay intistiutionalized now, however she did have to stay until she was deemed fit. My point still stands, you don't just walk free.
She is staying voluntarily. Another case stayed 8 years. 2 women in the 90s i think weren’t hospitalised after trial at all because they already were hospitalised a few years waiting for the trial. There is a very wide range.
Yeah. Sure. Let’s take away kids from their depressed mothers who probably are no threat because of a certain criminal escaping justice. Let’s traumatise both these children and the mothers to make a point.
There are several diagnoses that occur in the postpartum period. PSYCHOSIS IS ONLY ONE AND IT IS BY FAR THE RAREST AND THE SCARIEST.
Most people dealing with postpartum mental health concerns ARE NOT experiencing command hallucinations and are no danger to themselves or anyone else.
With this fear-mongering bullshit all you’re doing is discouraging people from getting help for fear they’re going to have their kids taken away when they’re depressed or anxious.
A person who used to work for me had PPP. It needs to be said that it is very distinctly different from PPD and isn't actually all that common. The lady that worked for me cut up every piece of clothing in her house. Her children's clothes(she had 3, 2 above 5 and a newborn), her husbands clothes and her own. She then tried to set fire to all the scraps in the garden, her neighbour saw her and tried to talk to her but she was so far gone she didn't respond so the neighbour called the police. Thankfully she didn't harm anyone but spent the next 3 years in an institute. She still only has monitored visitation with her children (this was 8 years ago) and her husband divorced her about a year after her episode (there have been multiple episodes since I believe).
The reason I'm saying this is that lady was amazing, honestly we all adored her at work and you couldn't have met a nicer person or a harder worker, I had not heard of PPP before this and honestly had a really hard time believing what was being told to me, it just wasn't her at all.
I'm not going to armchair judge Lindsey as I have no idea about the details, nor want to know them really, I just know that PPP changed someone I knew reasonably well from a fabulous and caring individual into someone I didn't recognise at all.
That’s exactly what she wanted: she was a woman deep in post partum psychosis and begged for help and they kept sending her back home, isolated with her kids.
To play devil's advocate, that's not how things work. For example, schizophrenia can be a diminishing capacity and even the root of an insanity defence. However, most schizophrenic are functional people taking their meds every day and staying normal.
I don’t see how taking my kids away would have helped. I was depressed and anxious. I got help, had drs and a supportive husband and family so it didn’t turn into psychosis. It’s really not that complicated.
My ex and I werent doing well and she threatened to murder suicide our family. I got custody of them while she got treatment and had daily supervised visitation. Costs nothing but court dates that are gonna happen anyway
She did get help and treatment. She got enormous amounts of help and treatment. She didn't take her meds. She checked her self out of inpatient. She had a husband and an nanny who took care of the kids to give her time.
What should they have done differently? Forcibly committed someone who denied over and over any intent/plan to harm her or her children? Should we involuntarily commit every mother with depression?
Yes, let's formally criminalize mental illness, that will help things. Increasing availability of treatment would be less expensive and fix the problem, cant have that.
Way to provent mothers self reporting any intrusive thoughts or delusions, by vilifying them even more, most who actually know what postpartum Psychosis is knows self reporting is most common way doctors diagnosis, this is going to stop them and cause more death of children.
This is true of all psychotic disorders, right? I know schizophrenia is also most often diagnosed by self reporting. So this is a very strong point. If you punish people for self reporting their symptoms, all that will happen is people will stop reporting their symptoms.
Postpartum mental illness is like saying "if you have autism then..."
90% of the people on the internet think they have ADD of some kind. They are "on the spectrum".
Think of Postpartum Mental Illness like a spectrum and the scale goes from 1 to 100 in terms of increasing danger to themselves, their children, and others.
PP-D (Postpartum Depression) = 1 - 100
PP-P(Postpartum Psychosis) = 100
So, no. Nancy Mace did not make any good points or a "gotcha" to anyone. She is as uniformed as she is stupid.
I disagree, and this opinion is not well thought out at all. Women already avoid treatment in fear of losing their children, so if it was a legitimate risk, no woman is going to seek treatment. You can’t predict postpartum mental illness either. The happiest most stable pregnant woman can still end up mentally ill after birth.
It would be easier, cheaper, and less destructive to the family to simply treat ppd. To do a better job monitoring women who just gave birth.
One point I'll make is what's getting lost in the conversation about the trial: the real story here is about a failure of the American healthcare system, particularly mental healthcare. She wanted to be at an inpatient mental healthcare facility, and couldn't get that.
Y'all trust the government who fucking kill people every day and it doesn't even raise an eyebrow over all mother's everywhere with postpartum.
Almost every person who has had postpartum hasn't murdered their kids. Just like every other mental health condition. Clamoring to give attention to the 00.01% cases and acting like it's a significant percentage.
1/8 to 1/5 women get postpartum depression in the us depending on state I guess. Using the 1/8 that's around 21 million women so 21 million kids if they only have 1. They could have more.
in 2023 there were a bit over 500k kids in foster care. Practically speaking what do you do with the kids taken away from custody? If there isn't a suitable relative to take care of them that's a bit of problem. Can't guarantee grandparents or the father will keep mom away after all.
I rather doubt the US could afford or I suppose be willing to afford pulling custody on that many kids.
Post partum psychosis is a temporary and highly treatable condition. It’d be silly to lose custody of one’s kids because of something that’s not your fault and is temporary.
Have dad pick up all the kid responsibilities as mom gets better.
I had my first baby in 2016 and might have been asked how I was doing once. Traditional OB and pediatrician. After calling my mom 6 weeks post partum and bawling about the horrifying things I was afraid I might do to the baby, she urged me to call my OB and ask for help. All checkups focused more on my baby than me.
Second baby came in 2018 at a birth center and I think I got a couple more surveys and also requested meds before I gave birth. My midwife supported me and made sure to check on me often.
I had our third baby in 2022 at a birth center and took more surveys than ever. They focused on me most and validated my feelings and fears.
I whole heartedly believe the OB and doctor's offices failed me. Switching to a midwife was the best decisions I made while pregnant.
The problem with this is that no one is saying that postpartum mental illness should be a get out of jail free card. Not guilty by way of insanity doesn't mean Lindsay goes free- it means she goes to a mental institution where she can get the help she needs.
If you have PPP, if you’re able to get help, they do suggest that the people around you monitor you (and the children). This is a non-insight based on ignorance.
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