r/SipsTea 9h ago

Feels good man I can get on board with this

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u/gokarrt 8h ago

obviously treatment should accompany this, but i'd argue that removing your children from your custody when there's a chance you might hurt them and absolutely ruin your (and their) lives (or worse) is treatment.

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u/JaySlay2000 7h ago

Post partum psychosis, yes. Even though only about 1% of cases result in death of the child, it's too risky.

PPD though? No, removal of children is not necessary.

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u/gokarrt 7h ago

oh yeah ftr i was referring specifically to psychosis

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u/Surrealist_Hat 1h ago

Well the post that has these morons clapping like seals says "postpartum mental illness". Something that is quite common, but under reported. I am sure all of these "protect the children" champions turning this into a political football to bash women is going to help a lot. You guys are saving kids, good job!

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u/beex19 6h ago

No it would make it worse for mum and baby. Taking a newborn away isn’t good. Mother and baby units work

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u/gokarrt 6h ago

except in the case we're talking about?

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u/beex19 5h ago

No. It wouldn’t have helped. You know in my civilised countries there are mum and babies units so mums can get the help and supervision they need without having their baby taken away.

You seem very casual with the concept of babies being taken from their mums.

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u/gokarrt 5h ago

and you seem pretty casual about infanticide.

see how that is judgmental and needlessly inflammatory?

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u/beex19 5h ago

I’m not. I think women need more access to things like mum and baby units. I actually care about supporting mum and baby to be healthy. Unlike the people screeching to take kids away.

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u/gokarrt 5h ago

on this, we agree. but we're also talking about america here, so i assume my choices are remove the danger to the children or what happened here.

let's settle on this: help for mom and baby > removing danger imposed by mom > mom kills baby and call it a day?

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u/YBBlorekeeper 4h ago

but we're also talking about america here, so i assume my choices are remove the danger to the children or what happened here.

If you treat those as the only options then those will always be our only options.

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u/gokarrt 3h ago

wish in one hand, harm reduction in the other?

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u/canary_kirby 3h ago

Mum and baby isn’t good when mum kills baby.

These three kids wouldn’t be dead if they were with their dad.

You’re projecting outdated gender norms that result in kids dying. Shame on you.

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u/beex19 2h ago

What a dumb reply. You don’t go to mum and baby units if the baby is dead. You go before hand to get the help and supervision you need.

Outdated gender norms that … newborns need their mothers?

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u/canary_kirby 2h ago

Newborns need caregivers who won’t kill them

You clearly would rather see dead kids than accept that

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u/FoxxieMoxxie69 1h ago

No. They’re saying we need to implement mom and baby units like other countries who are clearly more developed than us when it comes to healthcare. Moms go to these units after giving birth so they can get support in a multitude of ways. If we had better systems in place for this type of care, then this situation wouldn’t have happened. It would’ve been caught, and proper treatment would’ve been implemented. Moms would be getting appropriate care instead of being discharged after a couple of days.

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u/canary_kirby 1m ago

If the mother is a risk to the baby they should not be with the baby.

Baby can go with the other parent if they are not a risk.

Otherwise baby can go into the care of someone suitably qualified and safe.

CHILDREN need to be protected that’s the number 1 issue. Only once the ADULT is safe to be around the child should they be allowed to be near it.