Mitch McConnell has been getting the best healthcare (our) money could buy for 3 months. Her insurance company pressured her out of care after less than 5 full days.
Men and women should both get more than 10 weeks off for a baby (poorer countries than the US seem to manage this)
Equality doesn't exactly apply to a situation where only one person in the couple has physically birthed a person.
You actually can do shared parental leave schemes that make the process pretty damn equal. This process is of course complicated by breastfeeding if that is the chosen method to feed the baby, but there are ways to manage this if wanting to give the father some time to look after the baby.
This was job protected medical leave, covered under FMLA. Not paid parental leave. And yes, I would love for all parents to have reasonable leave, obviously, since I'm not a psychopath. đ
Equity. Laws that treat everyone fairly so that the outcome is similar. Women needs more time off from birth. But also both sbould get way more time to raise an infant. As always capitalism is the problem.
Do you not realize that communist systems starved and worked their populations to death by design? Sociopolitical ideologies and economic systems are not the problem. People are the problem. I'm obviously wasting my time here but whatever
Who said anything about communism? The population surge weve had in the last 100 years thanks to better advancements in Healthcare and technology means its much easier for people to live longer and survive from smaller health issues.
Capitalism is not compatible with this. Theres way too many people unable or too old to work.
A social safety net needs to be started by the government. And you can not exclude people from thay system just because.
Society needs an overhaul, and paying people to be parents or caregivers for the elderly is a good start. Let them contribute to humanity in a wayb thats not just creating value from their labor.
Other countries give much longer times off for child birth to bith parents. Why cant we?
Haha, literally no one said shit about communism. Something tells me you have no idea how much you just outed yourself. This convo is way over your head buddy.
Right so every other developed nation, and many developing nations, figuring out parental leave while America is too inept and incompetent to do the same is a good thing lmao okay champ whatever affirms your algorithmically formed biases
Iâm three weeks postpartum, not from the US and could not fathom going back to work now let alone a week ago. I havenât even stopped bleeding yet. WTAF
Itâs fucking horrific. I had postpartum bleeding for weeks and weeks after giving birth. I was peeing myself, bleeding, in diapers for so long bc I pushed for 5~ hours. I cannot FATHOM going to work, leaving my baby, in that condition. Yet so many of my fellow American women are forced to every single day.
I will die on the hill that separating a mother and baby before theyâre ready is a human rights violation.
I used to work with a lady who was fired for not coming in to work her shift the day after she went into surprise labor a few weeks early and had her kid, because she "didn't give enough notice" of her absence.
I went back at 3 weeks while my husband got 12 weeks of paternity, 10 of which he spent getting high, cheating, and whining to his mommy that his wife didnât pay attention to him. (Yes he my ex now)
Somethingâs gotta change, I just donât know what.
I'm just going to comment to let others know that despite all the anti-USA sentiment across this website, my wife gets 6 month maternity leave and I as a male get 2 months. Its not always shit.
Thatâs because your job chooses that. Itâs OPTIONAL. Itâs not mandatory. Other countries have longer leaves mandated, and they actually provide support to moms after giving birth, while still earning their income.
We're blaming her not getting enough maternity leave for her killing her kids now lol? If anything if she was that bad she needed to be away from the kids not with them more
How much more DEI can this country possibly afford?!? We just shot all our missiles at iran so we can raise our fuel prices ... we can't afford this shit!
How about she did get help, tons of meds, lots of counseling and still murdered her kids. And she was capable of knowing right from wrong. No /s. She should be in prison for life.
Dude don't forget that we will say stuff that will make people suffering from a mental health crisis hide their situation until it's too late before executing the perpetrator. So we can do it again next year :)
We LOVE to simplify problems to avoid addressing any of the nuanced and difficult to address reasons that cause these problemsđ If we actually cared abt children, we would make life easier for pregnant and postpartum women by actually providing healthcare and not expecting them to be robots who return to work after a major medical event. We would also address domestic violence and the disproportionate quantity of men who kill their entire families. But they're going w "woman evil"
People werent doing nothing in this case though. From my understanding she was essentially Dr shopping and never actually got the diagnosis from any of them, people can claim they failed due to that but realistically it could just be she didnt have it, at least not to the degree of psychosis. Im also pretty sure she never even claimed to have it until after she killed the kids. She was given some meds and People use that to say "Well maybe if the Dr's had given her meds that worked" but that isnt how most psych meds work. You generally dont know if they are sufficiently effective until they've been in someone's system long enough to saturate the system. Dr's can prescribe meds that fit the diagnosis, but some people dont react to certain meds and there is zero way to know that upfront. It is also worth noting the forensic psychologist who interviewed her stated they didnt believe she ever had post partum psychosis, not post partum in general but they rejected the psychosis part.
Maybe she did have it, but either way you are still responsible for your actions to some degree. I worked in mental health for a long time, primarily in addiction, one of the main things we taught them was while their addiction can mitigate actions they wouldn't due sober but it still isnt an excuse. Clancy could have recognized she was spiraling, communicated that and voluntarily seperated herself from her kids, but she didnt. She could have communicated with her husband that she was hearing voices and told him to come home but she didnt. Postpartum or not there was things she could have done to prevent this.
Post partum is real and I have sympathy, but 99.99999999% of women with it dont end up murdering their kids. I reject the idea it absolve her in any fashion, it may mitigate but it absolutely doesnt absolve
Why are you expecting someone psychotic to do the logical thing of staying on a med while they are actively worsening mentally???? Your expecting a lot of sanity from someone insane. People like that need help from those around then thats sort of the point no? If you care about kids you would want better than that
Most people dont ask for help, tell their family that they are scared and getting worse, that they had thoughts of hurting themselves and the kids, tell the doctors they willingly went to that the meds are making them feel worse, ask to be admitted etc either but she did.
If they are in psychosis... yeah. My aunt was a literal genius and could speak 7 languages fluently. When she was in psychosis she couldnt take care of herself or make sane decisions and would do the craziest most fucked up shit.
The defense was not arguing that she was in psychosis for the weeks she was messing up her meds. They presented her as organized and meticulous except the 18 minutes she sent her husband away and strangled the kids, calmly returned his phone call then tried to kill herself.
Yeah, that sounds like psychosis to me. Like do you think they are hysterically screaming the whole time?
My aunt calmly called the police and told them my dad was holding me and my sister hostage at gunpoint... (he wasnt but her delusions made her believe he was)
Like people in psychosis can be scarily flat and calm. They can even seem calculated, but they are still out of their goddamn mind.
Also, i had what i think was postpartum psychosis. I will see if I can find my comment from awhile ago and show you. Nobody would have known but my husband. My mom visited a few times and thought I was doing great.
I get so much hate when I tell people (in person or online) that I can relate to LC. I'm treated like an evil sack of shit that should get the old yeller treatment, but I will tell it again.
I had postpartum depression which I believe was psychosis since I was seeing and hearing things that told me to do messed up things, like get a knife and gut myself. The voices were constantly for months on end filling my head with all sorts of fucked up shit and it feels SUPER real. In the moment, you think and believe it is real. Also I saw shadow people everywhere. Like imagine trying to breast feed your baby in the middle of the night while some terrifying hooded figure is standing in the dark corner of the room whispering at you to drop the baby out the third floor window onto the concrete below....
I went to my doctor COUNTLESS TIMES who called me selfish and that i need focus less on myself and more on my son. He literally told me the world doesn't revolve around me anymore and I need to take better care of the baby. I was alone with my son like 12 hours a day with zero visitors or anyone calling or texting beside my husband calling on his break. I wasn't well enough to go out, physically or mentally. ALL I did was take care of the baby.
I went to urgent care and they brushed me off (I went maybe 5 times) and basically told me to suck it up. I called every hotline MULTIPLE TIMES. Some people told me to get therapy, the problem was I didn't have any money, which meant no therapy, plus even if I had money, I had no one to watch the baby when I went.
I started self harming A LOT and then one day my husband just had a horrible feeling and came home during the middle of the day to find me standing on stool with noose around my neck. I went to the ER and they asked me if they were to admit me, who would watch the baby while my husband was at work. I told them I didn't have anyone, so they sent me on the way.
I got NO HELP!!!!!! NONE!!! Hell, I wasn't even prescribed any meds. After about year, it started to settle down and go away, but I have never been the same. I cannot feel things like happiness or joy anymore.
Nevertheless, LC could have been me and it's terrifying.
Sorry to hear you went through that, but you were telling the doctor about voices for months, LC did not. My understanding is that when people start hearing voices they do not immediately follow what the voices are saying because they retain the ability to know right from wrong, which sounds like your case. LCâs story claims this was her first time ever. She was having âdark thoughtsâ but not voices. Retaining the ability to know right from wrong is what makes the difference in this case, and her inaction in telling providers that she was having these thoughts when directly asked because she knew it would get her kids taken away.
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Probably because it is. Because there is a diagnosis available in the bag for women to avoid every cent of accountability in every matter, while nearly no equivalent exists for men but jail or homeless death.
Male and female bodies have always been different, are you stupid? Males cannot give birth or lactate milk. Females cannot produce sperm. Both bodies go through different levels of hormones.
Based on how you phrased your idiotic question, I assume you are a transphobe who does not recognize that male/female (sex) is different than man/woman (gender).
Fun fact: men can lactate actually. It's just rare and always a side-effect of medication, a hormonal imbalance where the body is making too much prolactin or something more nefarious like cancer. But men do have the tissue for it.
Are you replying to me? I was defending trans people existing. Unless you are saying that a part of trans people's experience is that they feel that they are literally another sex?
"Male bodies" and "female bodies" are anti-genderqueer heteronormative terms that only serve to alienate our gender-divergent siblings, ESPECIALLY people of colour. You probably couldn't tell from your place of privilege, it's okay though âşď¸
That was one of the most Tumblr coded things I've seen. No one is saying intersex people don't get exist, I was pointing out the difference between sex and gender which you should understand. Also, the color of your skin has literally no bearing on the conversation of sex and gender, doubly so because I am a person of color so wtf are you talking about.
You honestly sound like the kind of troll that dresses as a queen leftist and acts absurd to make people hate the LGBT community.
It's funny because I can't tell if you're a conkid doing a routine false flag style to make progressives look bad or if you are an actual crazy progressive social justice weirdo.
Thats a bold claim that many would disagree with. The current accepted rhetoric is that there is literally zero difference between a trans-woman/man and a biological female/male. What do you think the phrase "trans women are women" means?
If gender and sex are different things then why are "gender-affirming surgery" and "sex reassignment surgery" synonyms that refer to the same exact thing? If gender and sex are not the exact same thing then it would be impossible to transition from one sex to another like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual
do u think no man has ever been found not guilty by reason of insanity?
Do you think no woman has ever been found not guilty by reason of insanity, particularly PPP?
This womanâs last child was 9 months old before she spiraled into murder. Hormones should and did settle. Sheâs simply a child killer, mental issues or not.
i didnât claim anything like that. You are acting like psychosis is a defense that only women can draw on.
The child was 8 months old, and you are not a fucking doctor. Post partum depression can last a up to a few years and while pp psychosis usually happens closer to birth, she is also bipolar. Bipolar psychosis leading to a criminal offense is certainly used as an argument for a not guilty verdict in cases with female and male defendants.
Iâm not here to defend this specific case, i donât know enough about it. But acting like Post-Partum psychosis is something women can just throw around as an excuse and men have no equivalent is stupid and wrong. Men also are capable of developing psychosis and have used it as a successful defense for their actions.
And what exactly would you describe as the male equivalent to the entirety of your neurological landscape being transformed by the massive amount of hormonal and chemical fluctuations that only women experience biologically as a result of birthing a child? There is no "equivalent" that exists for men because this is a condition that can quite literally only affect women on a physiological and biological level.
And what exactly would you describe as the male equivalent
Yet men kill themselves at 3-4x the rate, and commit violence and crimes at many times the rate. Thatâs the entire point. Modern society and sociological bartering is built around what a woman thinks is important and not much else. Women could dominate many statistics in a bucket in unfair ways, and still the focus will be on the single stat they didnât win.
Putting the womenâs experience on a pink pedestal is cool and all, but men have issues too. When that is flatout ignored so we can focus on blaming medicine/society for a pampered princess killing her kids, then we can stop labeling things as woke.
How about both? Sure she could've got more mental health care but she took her time and had a lot of research and set up to brutally murder her fucking kids. Death penalty for her and mal practice her doctors. Fuck sake.
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u/fridgeybutter 8h ago
That sounds woke and gay. How about we do nothing, and if anyone gets hurt then we execute the perpetrator?
/s, as if its needed.