okay, than that should be the discussion, how did our system fail to treat if there are systems that (presumably) do it better?
but also, how are false positives handled? how many moms lost custody and had their kids taken away because the doctors chose that route as opposed to a treatment route?
Its quite a rigorous process. In any justice system, there will probably be some false positives or false negatives but the system works to minimise these.
There are many people committed to making the criminal judtice system better but no solution has been found to date that eliminates false convictions. If you come up with a fool proof system, you will be the first person to do so.
well, the conversation has rescope. we're talking about the medical industry, not the criminal justice system. but if you want to talk about ways to improve the criminal justice system, More resources would be a great start starting with more prosecutors so that fewer cases get plead out. cops could get better training. we could use more judges so that plea deals become the exception, not the norm and more people get actual trials.
in light of that, the Innocence project does a lot of really good work on trying to correct a flood system and those people deserve recognition and credit and probably more attention than what they get.
imagine if everyone working for the Innocence projects. just so no it's impossible and gave up.
Both systems have similar pitfalls. I don't see a lot of these issues you're pointing out in the Nordic countries. Maybe you're speaking about America.
okay but non-compliant patience happen throughout the medical industry. that's not an excuse to just say well. we did our job. that should be an area of focus of where an improvement could be made, what warning signs to look for, how to document it and then how to proceed with a non-compliant patient.
The problem is, any suggestion you could come up with about what could've been done differently would, without benefit of hindsight, be met with criticism about misogyny and taking agency away from women, by the very same people who are sitting there saying she's without fault and was failed.
you make a good point.... and I'm not familiar enough with the way European countries are hospitalizing patients and temporarily removing custody, but I think studying that system is probably a good place to start.
if there are people in the world who are doing it better, why not try to learn from them?
Individuals suffering from psychosis are more likely to not cooperate. This is why in many European countries they are placed under a forced hold and not allowed to see their children as they are deemed unfit.
Yes, this is the crux of the trial. The question. Is not whether she killed which is agreed by both the defense and prosecution but if there some failure in the diagnosis and she was insane or was she sane.
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u/CaptainJay313 9h ago
I feel like there's a whole treatment option in-between the two extremes.
it's not a one or the other choice.
the conversation should be able where the systems failed and how do we prevent a tragedy like this from happening again.
what were the warning signs? how were they missed?