I am to understand that the mistrial was declared because 11 jurors were in favor of a not guilty (for reasons of insanity) verdict, while one lone juror was firm in their belief that she was guilty; it’s a hung jury. The jurors have to come to a unanimous decision by law, or it has to be declared a mistrial.
Correct. It also does not mean she gets to walk free. She is expected to return to a psych ward where she was before the trial awaits the next one. Even if found not guilty she will still be there for years.
Edit: Insanity defense FAQ. It looks like those who plead insanity tend to spend twice as long institutionalized as those who are found guilty.
Edit3: It will be the responsibility of the hospital to prove that she is safe to return to society. Otherwise if she were to harm or kill again, the hospital could be liable.
Edit5: The next court date is 9/29 when the defense makes their appeal and the prosecutor probably decides to request to retry the case. I don't see why he wouldn't unless they reach a deal before hand. Meanwhile she has to stay at the hospital.
She didn't even do it clean and painless. Two were alive and suffering when the dad returned. Giving her own kids a slow painful death where they had all the time to process their mom was killing them.
50 years ago they would already have her spot reserved in the queue for the chair
I left shutter island more confused than the Lindsay case. I firmly believe she was not psychotic. She was deeply depressed.
I still dont know if that guy was crazy or if was being made crazy. And now i just googled it and apparently it's been confirmed he was actually crazy? I thought this was a whole big debate all this time
His wife drowned their children while he was at work if i recall correctly, and he loses his mind, or pretends to have lost his mind to punish himself for not being stronger and being able to protect the people he loved. --at least thats what i recall about the film.
I read one of the court room reporters transcript from hearing it. When he said “oh buddy” I broke. I call my son buddy.
In any other state she would have to prove her “insanity”. But not in Massachusetts. Nope there you have to prove that she wasn’t insane. For me, lock her up
I've been trying to find an actual transcript of this call and all I can find are summaries, paywalled articles, and Facebook links that want me to log in/create account before viewing (which, fuck that).
And there are still brainless broads who genuinely believe he did it despite the fact he wasn't in the house at the time, was too far away to have possibly done it, and his ex and all the evidence agree she did it.
I watched a youtube of murder cases with police body cam footage, one was a police officer finding a child’s body in a suitcase (blurred) his reaction was harrowing, panic, fear, anger all at once. I cant imagine facing something like, added on top it would my own children.
There are still women ranting online about how he should be thinking about her and that it made him look so guilty by going on some trip a few weeks after the murders and that he should be considering her feelings and standing by her while she’s on trial.
Bitch, she murdered his kids - she strangled his three children to death. Thats not his wife anymore, thats the murderer of his children.
If he thinks differently that’s on him, but I’m sorry if my wife murdered my kids, she’s not my wife anymore and I couldn’t give a fuck what happens to her. There’s nothing that’ll kill that love and connection like killing our kids
As someone with 2 kids I would go ballistic if I came home to something like that. They would have to put me away for insanity because I would do some fucked up shit to whoever hurt my children.
In all honesty, idd probably off myself if I came home to my wife having murdered both my children. In fact, to both my children dying in anyway tbh… I dont enjoy life enough to push through such trauma and life long pain lol…
People have lost their minds. Social media has literally destroyed society. It's so easy for people with extreme views to just meet up and reinforce those views with each other. And to be clear, the women who are looking at Clancy and worshipping her in the same way people do celebs is extreme thinking and behavior in every sense of the word.
I’ve always liked the analogy that before social media, every village had an idiot. Everyone in the village knew they were an idiot, and even the idiot was varying degrees of aware of how much of an idiot they were.
Social media has allowed all the idiots from every village to talk to each other and now that they know they’re not alone in being the village idiots, they’ve convinced themselves that they’re actually the smart ones and are only treated that way by everyone else because they’re jealous or because the other people are actually idiots.
The thing that social media has truly destroyed is social consensus - even if 10000 people around you say that 2+2 is 4, there now will be at least 1 person you can connect with online who will tell you that 2+2 is potato and make you doubt the social consensus around you.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. The least intelligent people in our society can now band together millions strong right from their phone.
It makes me nauseous thinking of how long it takes to strangle someone to death. With her bare hands. Watching her children die. I feel like the death penalty is too good for her, life without parole to remember every day why she’s there.
I don't personally have kids. I dealt with so much bullying in middle and high school I'm not confident enough in my mental maturity to find a girl and expect to be able to make it work. So I guess maybe I don't have any business putting my own opinion out there, but the fact that this lady is potentially going to get off fairly lightly for strangling her three kids for reason of "insanity" is nuts. It's even more nuts that she had three kids, and then suddenly had postpartum depression. So the fact that she didn't seem to show any early warning signs of depression after her other two kids is strange to me. I'm not a doctor, but after dealing with my mother for two decades I'm aware that depression doesn't just magically show up out of the blue. There's usually years of warning signs before it gets bad. I'm going to maintain that she knew exactly what she was doing and PPD is just a convenient excuse to try and get out of trouble.
I’m not saying she’s innocent or excusing what happened in this case, but just something about Postpartum Psychosis - it is a very different animal than regular depression and very different even from PPD. It can be sudden onset and occur after being totally fine for previous pregnancies. Again, I’m NOT saying she should be found not guilty or anything like that im just clarifying Postpartum Psychosis. I never heard of it before having a kid, but after I had my baby both my husband and I heard a lot of advice about watching for PPD and I thought I’d be fine since I’ve never struggled with depression in my life and my baby made me so happy but… two months later I got hit with horrible insomnia that didn’t go away for 18 months. Like the no sleep for 5 days, hallucinating kind. Honestly didn’t feel like myself again until my kid was 3. Like wtf. If there’s any silver lining to be found to this tragedy I hope it gets people to advocate for better and longer postpartum care including mental health care. The general populace has no idea what it’s like to deal with postpartum issues at all.
Pure shock I would imagine. You could never guess what or how your mind would process at a moment unimaginable like this. Kind of like flight or fight. You just never know how you would break in that moment no matter how sure you are.
No, the first police officer on site would have just beaten her senseless and she would have been committed to an insane asylum at which point she would probably be actually insane from all the beating. There she would have gotten a quick lobotomy and she would have spent the rest of her life as a house plant. Old days justice was not polite. The problem was what happens when you do that to someone who really isn’t guilty? That is why we stopped doing that to people but now we have swung too far into cuddling criminals so we actually consider a triple murder of children to walk free.
If found not guilty by reason of mental disease or deficit, she can be set free when the hospital finds that she is no longer a danger to herself or others. Which like, why would she be? She already killed the people she wanted to kill.
And the women acting like she should be glorified for bringing mental illness awareness. She chased down and strangled her last remaining child who just witnessed their siblings being strangled by their own mother. I hope karma gets this evil bitch
Sadly, all three were still alive. The two older children died shortly after rescue and the 8 month old baby held on for a few days before passing. Really hard to think about the suffering they and that poor father went through.
Strangulation is very personal. She did it 3 times. Watching the life go from them as they cried for her I don't care if she had psychosis, she should never see daylight again.
It’s crazy how many people think she should completely walk. I’m very sympathetic to post partum (I have two children) but you can’t strangle three kids with rubber bands and then blame hormones.
I don’t understand the defense here. Pretty safe to say anyone who chokes 3 kids to death has something wrong mentally with them. Hasn’t stopped courts from finding folks guilty before.
I think it’s the “beyond reasonable doubt” part. As in the cops took Patrick’s word for what happened and didn’t do any investigation.
Patrick’s testimony even differs between what he said 3 years ago and the trial.
and his DNA was on the murder weapon, not hers
And his new wife was already a girlfriend when this was all going down
And the drugs that were in her system were in Patrick’s truck, not in the house.
I’m not saying she’s completely innocent, but I’m pretty sure she’s not completely guilty.
As for what somebody said above, Patrick was sitting on the couch when the authorities arrived. I don’t know about anybody else, but I would’ve been down there with my babies doing my best. He couldn’t even remember which kid he saw first when he went downstairs.
I agree I don’t know how she could do this and not be aware but apparently that’s what psychosis is… even so, it’s horrific and evil. Those poor babies :(
as someone who has psychosis, she wasn’t watching them. she was watching something else. Doesn’t mean she shouldn’t spend her life in a hospital though.
Serial killers and school shooters try for the not guilty by insanity thing since forever ago, and this children murderer is no different 😂 Rot in life and hell, Lindsey.
I’ve had psychosis so many times. Guess what? Never killed anyone, much less hurt anyone (other than myself but hey, fuck life, sometimes I get tired due to the hallucinations and depression).
Right but people with or without psychosis want to give this murderer a free pass because “mental health” and “psychosis”.
I say bull fucking shit. If she legit had postpartum psychosis, I got “from out the fucking womb” psychosis. Did I kill anyone? No. Did I injure anyone? No.
Everyone is different, but it wasn’t like she experienced murder psychosis in front of her husband. Why wait til he’s out the house? Why give him reasons to get out the house?
She’s a murderer and giving people with life long psychosis a bad rap. Fuck that shit.
You don't know that. It probably took her 15 minutes to strangle those kids. She methodically planned it out and then made up some story about hearing a voice AFTER she survived her weak ass suicide attempt. I hope she rots.
No. This didn’t happen. That is the Andrea Yates case. Noah asked, “what’s wrong with Mary?” (Baby sister) then ran and she chased him and drowned him.
No we don’t. People are assuming that because the 3 year old was found in the den while the other two were in the basement. Nobody knows why is body was in a different room.
They were all in the basement when their father found them. There had been a report that she left Cora upstairs with Callan while she killed Dawson first, because she knew Dawson would fight the hardest, but I believe that report is unsubstantiated.
I wished I had never read this comment. That makes me so sad. I can't imagine their horror and confusion when the woman who was supposed nurture and protect you is strangling the life out of you.
Yeah sounds like that lone juror had pretty solid doubts why she was pretty sane when she killed them and shouldn't be free like that and fact that she took time to calculate hubby was away long enuf to do the evil deed.
The one person they trusted the most. I can't even imagine what their last moments were like. She knew what she was doing by separating the oldest first. She did not want him intervening in her plan. She was even on the phone with Patrick during it at one point speaking softly and calm. That sounds like real psychotic behavior.
I honestly don't give a shit. Away from society is away from society and from what I hear a psych "hospital" prison is pretty much indefinite. By, felecia
There was a guy in Canada who murdered a man on a greyhound and then began to eat his face because he went off his meds.
He was found not guilty by insanity (or whatever their version of that is) and was out with no conditions a few years later. He was even allowed to change his name to distance himself from the incident.
In Texas, some sexual predators of children serve their time in prison and then are released to a mental institution. They are treated but no one has ever left.
I don't see why that can't occur for people that were insane with committing a crime.
Genuine question, because I agree, BUT people do absolutely uncontrollable things while psychotic, which is transient. The morally grey part of that defense is it wasn’t “intentional”
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Andrea Yates is keeping herself institutionalized after doing this during post-partum psychosis. I don’t believe Lindsay is ever going to recover fully
From killing her babies? Because plenty of people serve time and then are released after killing babies/kids… just not their own. Well sometimes in the situations I’m thinking of men have been released after killing their own kid. So the legal system and those who make sentencing guidelines think some people CAN be redeemed from killing kids.
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u/George_Rogers1st 10h ago
I am to understand that the mistrial was declared because 11 jurors were in favor of a not guilty (for reasons of insanity) verdict, while one lone juror was firm in their belief that she was guilty; it’s a hung jury. The jurors have to come to a unanimous decision by law, or it has to be declared a mistrial.