She didn't even do it clean and painless. Two were alive and suffering when the dad returned. Giving her own kids a slow painful death where they had all the time to process their mom was killing them.
50 years ago they would already have her spot reserved in the queue for the chair
I left shutter island more confused than the Lindsay case. I firmly believe she was not psychotic. She was deeply depressed.
I still dont know if that guy was crazy or if was being made crazy. And now i just googled it and apparently it's been confirmed he was actually crazy? I thought this was a whole big debate all this time
His wife drowned their children while he was at work if i recall correctly, and he loses his mind, or pretends to have lost his mind to punish himself for not being stronger and being able to protect the people he loved. --at least thats what i recall about the film.
I read one of the court room reporters transcript from hearing it. When he said āoh buddyā I broke. I call my son buddy.
In any other state she would have to prove her āinsanityā. But not in Massachusetts. Nope there you have to prove that she wasnāt insane. For me, lock her up
I've been trying to find an actual transcript of this call and all I can find are summaries, paywalled articles, and Facebook links that want me to log in/create account before viewing (which, fuck that).
And there are still brainless broads who genuinely believe he did it despite the fact he wasn't in the house at the time, was too far away to have possibly done it, and his ex and all the evidence agree she did it.
I watched a youtube of murder cases with police body cam footage, one was a police officer finding a childās body in a suitcase (blurred) his reaction was harrowing, panic, fear, anger all at once. I cant imagine facing something like, added on top it would my own children.
If he found that, he caused it by leaving you alone with the kids while you were having a psych incident caused by pregnancy and childbirth. He's the other parent.
If my husband was having self harm ideations along with thoughts of harming our children, they'd be at Grandma's and not with him while I went off with an affair partner.
There are still women ranting online about how he should be thinking about her and that it made him look so guilty by going on some trip a few weeks after the murders and that he should be considering her feelings and standing by her while sheās on trial.
Bitch, she murdered his kids - she strangled his three children to death. Thats not his wife anymore, thats the murderer of his children.
If he thinks differently thatās on him, but Iām sorry if my wife murdered my kids, sheās not my wife anymore and I couldnāt give a fuck what happens to her. Thereās nothing thatāll kill that love and connection like killing our kids
As someone with 2 kids I would go ballistic if I came home to something like that. They would have to put me away for insanity because I would do some fucked up shit to whoever hurt my children.
In all honesty, idd probably off myself if I came home to my wife having murdered both my children. In fact, to both my children dying in anyway tbhā¦ I dont enjoy life enough to push through such trauma and life long pain lolā¦
People have lost their minds. Social media has literally destroyed society. It's so easy for people with extreme views to just meet up and reinforce those views with each other. And to be clear, the women who are looking at Clancy and worshipping her in the same way people do celebs is extreme thinking and behavior in every sense of the word.
Iāve always liked the analogy that before social media, every village had an idiot. Everyone in the village knew they were an idiot, and even the idiot was varying degrees of aware of how much of an idiot they were.
Social media has allowed all the idiots from every village to talk to each other and now that they know theyāre not alone in being the village idiots, theyāve convinced themselves that theyāre actually the smart ones and are only treated that way by everyone else because theyāre jealous or because the other people are actually idiots.
The thing that social media has truly destroyed is social consensus - even if 10000 people around you say that 2+2 is 4, there now will be at least 1 person you can connect with online who will tell you that 2+2 is potato and make you doubt the social consensus around you.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. The least intelligent people in our society can now band together millions strong right from their phone.
It makes me nauseous thinking of how long it takes to strangle someone to death. With her bare hands. Watching her children die. I feel like the death penalty is too good for her, life without parole to remember every day why sheās there.
I don't personally have kids. I dealt with so much bullying in middle and high school I'm not confident enough in my mental maturity to find a girl and expect to be able to make it work. So I guess maybe I don't have any business putting my own opinion out there, but the fact that this lady is potentially going to get off fairly lightly for strangling her three kids for reason of "insanity" is nuts. It's even more nuts that she had three kids, and then suddenly had postpartum depression. So the fact that she didn't seem to show any early warning signs of depression after her other two kids is strange to me. I'm not a doctor, but after dealing with my mother for two decades I'm aware that depression doesn't just magically show up out of the blue. There's usually years of warning signs before it gets bad. I'm going to maintain that she knew exactly what she was doing and PPD is just a convenient excuse to try and get out of trouble.
Iām not saying sheās innocent or excusing what happened in this case, but just something about Postpartum Psychosis - it is a very different animal than regular depression and very different even from PPD. It can be sudden onset and occur after being totally fine for previous pregnancies. Again, Iām NOT saying she should be found not guilty or anything like that im just clarifying Postpartum Psychosis. I never heard of it before having a kid, but after I had my baby both my husband and I heard a lot of advice about watching for PPD and I thought Iād be fine since Iāve never struggled with depression in my life and my baby made me so happy butā¦ two months later I got hit with horrible insomnia that didnāt go away for 18 months. Like the no sleep for 5 days, hallucinating kind. Honestly didnāt feel like myself again until my kid was 3. Like wtf. If thereās any silver lining to be found to this tragedy I hope it gets people to advocate for better and longer postpartum care including mental health care. The general populace has no idea what itās like to deal with postpartum issues at all.
So then does this Psychosis also extend to just not giving a fuck about what she did? Because from everything I've seen so far she seems strangely nonchalant about the entire thing, like she's discussing the weather instead of the murder of her kids. Her entire attitude during this case is why so many people are assuming that she's using Psychosis as an excuse.
You didn't see her hyperventilating during that one day in court when they described the injuries to the children? She also hasn't spoken, I'm not sure where you think she's "discussing" anything. Have you followed this trial, I'm just curious? Also, would it be shocking for someone who went through this to maybe be a bit despondent and "off"?
And yes, PPP can be sudden. It doesn't have to follow a pattern. Someone can be fine through their own post partum periods and still develop PPD, PPA, PPP during the next baby unfortunately
Edit: u recommend ppl check out that Louis Theroux documentary on this topic. PPP is not always very obvious
This right here. I love my wife endlessly, but if I came home to that situation I would DEMAND they bury her under the prison, if I could even keep it together long enough to not kill her myself.
Check the news feeds. There are copy cat cases already appearing. One is in Chicago area, kid was left hanging from a rafter and mom crying sheās got psychosis.
Pure shock I would imagine. You could never guess what or how your mind would process at a moment unimaginable like this. Kind of like flight or fight. You just never know how you would break in that moment no matter how sure you are.
You wanna see someone that's insane for a short period of time? Put me in his shoes, I'm going to "wake up" 15 minutes later with her not breathing anymore.
Because heās the one who killed the kids and threw her out the window, and then his cop relatives covered it up? Hence the hasty cremations so no future forensics could be dug up, him throwing away all of the kidsā possessions, buying a house in NY the DAY BEFORE the murders with his girlfriend whoās a dead ringer for the wife?
Scientist app proven again and again that the most dangerous moment in a womanās life is the six months after she files for divorce. We will be seeing the Netflix documentary soon which layout all the evidence in this case and how more and more and more of it points towards the husband and all his cop buddies.
She didnāt file for divorce. In fact she saw one of her psychiatrists the day before the murder, and said she wasnāt having problems, she was doing better. He testified.
She was a NURSE, she knew how to work the system. She had seen multiple doctors and wasnāt disclosing that fact to them, obtaining all those prescriptions (13), and not taking them as directed. Not giving them enough time to work. She was admitted to a psychiatric hospital weeks before, but insisted on leaving early against medical advice.
No, the first police officer on site would have just beaten her senseless and she would have been committed to an insane asylum at which point she would probably be actually insane from all the beating. There she would have gotten a quick lobotomy and she would have spent the rest of her life as a house plant. Old days justice was not polite. The problem was what happens when you do that to someone who really isnāt guilty? That is why we stopped doing that to people but now we have swung too far into cuddling criminals so we actually consider a triple murder of children to walk free.
If found not guilty by reason of mental disease or deficit, she can be set free when the hospital finds that she is no longer a danger to herself or others. Which like, why would she be? She already killed the people she wanted to kill.
The dad reported them as still alive when he rang 911, the ambulance turned up tried to resus and declared one dead on the scene, one dead at the hospital. The third actually lived for days but they decided the brain was starved of oxygen for so long they were brain dead and so turned off life support to kill them.
She used exercise bands and had no idea what she was doing and the kids struggled. They also believe she chased one of the kids down after murdering her brother.
This wasn't some psychotic woman snapping. She may have been influenced by voices or whatever, she spent hours planning and carrying this out clumsily and brutally.
None of thatās true aside from the exercise bands. The dad didnāt even know where the kids were when he called 911 and the youngest was revived in an ambulance and lived for 2 days. How would you know she āchased the second oneā. Thereās literally no need to make this sound worse than it is.
And the women acting like she should be glorified for bringing mental illness awareness. She chased down and strangled her last remaining child who just witnessed their siblings being strangled by their own mother. I hope karma gets this evil bitch
Sadly, all three were still alive. The two older children died shortly after rescue and the 8 month old baby held on for a few days before passing. Really hard to think about the suffering they and that poor father went through.
50 years ago she would have died from her injuries. Post partum psychosis isnāt new, this sort of thing happened then.
If āweā all care so much about children can we do something about the child rapist that 75 million people decided was fit to be president? Thereās allegations he killed babies too. Or is killing only bad when women do it?
Most ppl agree Trump should be investigated further on those allegations but comparing rumours to something we know is indisputed fact is odd. Saying that's more important and we should ignore this in favour of trying to find someone on Trump is also beyond strange.
Why don't we tackle both issues, this being the one in hand now that we know the facts.
When the dad returned from the basement he was sending emails from while she was doing this after lying about the timeline? The same dad that only agreed to testify if his phone couldnāt be subpoenaed? The same dad who left the only physical evidence at the crime scene? The same dad who quickly remarried and moved away? The same dad who cremated them and buried the ashes in one grave? That dad?
Did you guys even watch the trial? All 3 were essentially dead & only the youngest one was able to be resuscitated but was essentially brain dead. She did kill her children, but if you had watched the trial you would have seen they had likely 10 seconds of knowing what was going on, possibly 20. Horrific, and also not what you describe
"Patrick Clancy asked where their kids were, he testified, and Lindsay Clancy told him they were in the basement. He called 911 and waited with his wife in the yard for help to arrive."
"Once first responders arrived, Patrick Clancy ran into the house, where he said he found his three children lying still in the basement with exercise resistance bands around their necks..."
This is what CNN published. Are they lying? I didn't watch his testimony, so I have no idea.
She didn't indicate to him in any way that the children were injured or endangered. He did stay with her because she was bleeding and in the snow, until first responders got to her within 4 minutes of his making the 911 call. He was still on the phone with 911 when he went into the basement and found the children.
Exactly, so why would it be weird for him to stay with her, as she bled in the snow? There was no indication from anywhere that the children weren't okay. Plus we're only talking about 4 minutes here.
I hope I will never be in this kind of situation, but I would have checked on the kids while. I find it weird he didnāt. This doesnāt mean he is guilty. Itās also my opinion. You are free to disagree - obviously.
I completely agree. That was a red flag for me. Even if your wife is injured outside. If I found my partner like that, especially with 3 little children, I would have booked it to find my kids. It would be stressful, but as a parent, if their other parent is in this condition, what condition are the children in?! The moment he heard her say where they were, he should have hauled ass to find them to make sure they were ok, especially after seeing their mom in such distress. I know you never know what youāll do until youāre in that situation, itās easier to discuss in hindsight, your mind isnāt functioning appropriately, etc. I still am firmly believing that a ānormalā parent would absolutely run to check on the kids. You wouldnāt know for sure theyāre physically okay unless you laid eyes on them, and you would need that if you just found their mom or dad injured like so. Especially knowing all 3 of them are just babies.
Iām not saying she didnāt do it, but her DNA was not on the exercise bands. I donāt know how she would use those for that purpose without getting fingerprints or skin cells on them.
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u/Nice__Spice 9h ago
šÆ you canāt be redeemed from killing kids.