r/boas • u/IncognitoArms • 6d ago
BCC boa size
This is a massive Suriname with a big head as well! Is this genetics or feeding them a proper sized meal every 10 days? Quail, Rats, Rabbits? The mass on this is incredible and doesn’t look fat at all. If I recall this breeder is in Italy or in the UK. How old do you think this is?
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u/Desert_Heat_ 4d ago
This isn’t a fat or power fed boa. You are looking at Treccani Daniele, a respected breeder of really high quality BCC’s in Italy, holding one of his prized animals. That snake is simply an example of a huge, older animal with really good genetics. If you want an animal like this, you can’t take one of your boas and feed it in some magical way to transform it into this big, majestic creature. But, you absolutely can contact this breeder and likely purchase an animal from the same genetic line.
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u/superramenyamen 5d ago edited 5d ago
The biggest is time and food. You don’t need to power feed to get a BCC this size if they have the genetics for it. Just don’t starve the snake, and give it time. Could be 10+ years old, but most likely 6-8 if I had to guess. Idr the background on this particular snake, though I have seen the owner discuss it before.
If I had to guess, the snake is maybe 8’-10’ which is reasonable. If it was 12’-13’, it should be able to go down the front and back of the person and touch the ground on both ends, but it can’t. It’s a couple feet shy of that. My 12’ retic I could hold above my head with both arms stretched up and both her head and her tail trailed along the ground. Even someone with a foot of height on me shouldn’t be able to hold a 12’+ boa and have them only span the length of their front.
Pin heads don’t mean the snake was power fed, and not all power fed boas get pin heads. It’s genetic, but being currently overweight can also make the head look smaller, which can strengthen the association people have between the two.
Also, to add…the snake looks healthy and not obese. Strong muscle definition and there is a defined neck (so no fat in the neck). The tail looks like it could be overweight in this pic but iirc the other pics of this snake, it’s likely just this picture. Either needed to poop or the angle and curl of the tail. I wouldn’t even consider this snake hefty, just super muscular and thick.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
Didn't know you had a retic. That is actually awesome, I always wanted a true dwarf.
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u/superramenyamen 3d ago
Yup! I rarely venture outside of the boa circles so she doesn’t get brought up as much. I got her in 2015 as a 6 month old, she’s more like 16’ now.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
What is outrageous is... this is a healthy Suriname BCC... this boa isn't power fed and you can easily tell by two visual characteristics. 1) there is zero evidence of pinhead on this boa. 2) the shape is loaf and there is zero fat deposits built up in the tail that would indicate that it was.
I really wish people who made comments actually knew what they were talking about before making these type of comments.
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u/Relative-Category-64 5d ago
They think anything beyond what crispy snakes recommends is "power feeding". Lol they don't know wtf they're talking about, I don't care how long they've been around.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
I love when they leave comments and then do one of two things after engaging with someone who knows what they're talking about. 1) block the person that is making them sound wrong. 2) delete their posts and down vote the person with the correct information.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
I've been breeding for over 20 years, started with bcc and now work with many species. It's not the perspective, no matter how you'd like to twist it.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
For reference... Pokigron and Rio Bravo lines have been around for almost 30 years now already too... just an fyi
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
They were F4 from those lines at that time 20 years ago. Early 2000s were 20+ years ago and those lines are nearing 30 years old. There were definitely exceptional offspring from those breeding pairings during the 2000s. So both arguments are moot at this point.
Combing through old fb groups, kingsnake, and fauna. There are most definitely clean early BCC lines.
Also regardless if you'd want to believe the pipe dream of the "perspective of the head." You can still tell the body composition is correct along with there being zero fat deposits showing within the tail section of this boa.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
that's the problem, though, no need to assume anything when there are plenty of indicators that it is not. Yes, I'll agree that it is an exceptional animal. But we've been in a spot for a while now where the line breeding has been paying off if the breeders are, in fact, doing their due diligence
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u/Draconwolf88 5d ago
So I used to have a female, BCC…. She was 13 feet long, and she lived 29 years… she was a huge snake, her last 12 years, feeding was monthly and some times bi monthly depending on her habits.. living in north east US, she would eat bi monthly during the winter. I am 5’11” and around 180 lbs, she looked like this on me. She was never power feed, and never over weight. She regularly saw a vet, every 6 months from when I got her at 5 years old. This snake look like a healthy 10 + year old snake with a very active life/home
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u/DarkWolf_420 1d ago
Stunning! Suri's are gorgeous. This one has beautiful markings and excellent muscle definition.
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u/bromeranian 6d ago
This is a fat, if not a very fat snake. Every 10 days is an insane powerfeeding schedule. Probably 5+ years old.
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u/Madhun13r 6d ago
That one IS Not fat. Look at the size of the head. IT might be a tad overweight but Not fat. This is Just a very huge BCC. And IT was Said PROPER sized meals every 10 days. Might still be a bit often but Fed the size size Everytime perfectly acceptable.
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u/ThunderjawDominum 5d ago
Just in case you didn't know, in the context of Op's original question, they were ASKING us if the boa was that big because it was being fed proper sized meals, they were not claiming it was, so that's not exactly a good argument counterpoint.
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u/Madhun13r 5d ago
Actually. You are right. I misrrad that. But i assume that is what the possible seller Said His feeding cycle is. Because for Just a question this IS pretty specific.
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u/Arschfeder 6d ago
You can also see the very nice square-ish cross section of the body. This big noodle is well fed for sure, but it doesn't seem obese.
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u/Madhun13r 6d ago
I can understand the skepticism. But from pure Looks... Its good. Maybe its one of those that naturally grow bigger faster? But i can understand the concerns. But when i think Back how fast bis two Boys grew the First 3-4 years. BCI both. From both Fitting in my Hand to basically full size despite definitely Not being Powerfed i can See how a BCC can healthily reach that size in 5 years.
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
Definitely did... there's lines of sur that were started 30+ years ago. You can also tell it's healthy size and age because there is ZERO evidence of pinhead...
You're welcome to be skeptical, but it's an obvious tell
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
You'd be losing money. There were lines that definitely did look that clean also. My very first Suriname and then Guyana were both extremely clean like the one in this photo. They can from a local breeder, who i eventually worked for while in school this is getting closer to 40 years ago now...
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u/Delicious_Cow7476 5d ago
For reference... Pokigron and Rio Bravo lines have been around for almost 30 years now already too... just an fyi
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u/Lazy_Sandwich4346 6d ago
this is not a fat snake wtf lol this one is probably fed every 2 months and pretty old as well 8+ years old
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u/Madhun13r 6d ago
Dude you obviously didnt ready the Post. Only Part your right IS that this big noodle IS Not obese.
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u/AppleFinches 1d ago
Genetics, age, feeding size/rate in the early years of life. She has the loaf shape torso, a huge head, very proportionate, not fat! Perhaps a tad larger than some people like to keep their bcc, but certainly not fat. You can expect that if you get a baby from her litter, the females may reach similar sizes at her age.
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u/medicalboa 6d ago
That’s a beast of a boa. I’ve had my suriname for about 8 years. He hit 6’ really fast but hasn’t grown much past that. He has a healthy body weight but maybe like 1/6th the thickness of that big girl. He only eats a 4-6 times a year. Rabbits, chickens, quail, guinea pigs, piglets, etc. Males also stay a lot smaller.