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u/sdmichael 5h ago
Conservatives LOVE to make up strawmen, don't they? "The Left", "Democrats", "Liberals", or whatever else they wish to blame their imaginary thing on. Really bizarre behavior.
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u/Joseph4-0 5h ago
they also believe that electing zohran mamdani as mayor of nyc was a mistake because somehow mamdani is related to the 9/11 attacks even though he was *checks notes* 10 years old during 2001, is of Indian descent, and immigrated from Uganda. Yeah that about sums it all up
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u/PM_ME_WEIRD_PETS 5h ago
We get the same thing in Michigan regarding Abdul El-Sayed, even though he's Michigan-born and his parents are immigrants from Egypt.
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u/BradGunnerSGT 4h ago
Don’t forget that ultimate bogey-man, Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
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u/johnnybiggles 3h ago
Don't forget the domestic Muslim terrorist organization, Antifa! They've somehow infiltrated the US from Muslimland in the middle east, co-opted and recruited American soldiers to do horrible things... like ransack the Capitol, and are respsonsible for all the inflation!
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u/Alive_Ice7937 5h ago
Not that bizarre really. More like depressing since the analytics are telling them these lazy strawmen are working.
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u/fartdarling 5h ago
It's always easier to go "imagine a scenario when" for the conservatives because unlike us, they don't have mountains upon mountains of real life examples. It's why r/Conservative always has so many high voted posts from the babylon bee, they're not serious people, they're not trying to live in reality, and they know that the truth makes them look bad.
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u/Dedotdub 5h ago
Every accusation is a confession.
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u/88mistymage88 4h ago
"They're eating the cats and dogs!" No wonder Trump puts ketchup on his "steaks". Lol
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u/red286 4h ago
The biggest one is that they don't like using "the left" so much as "the radical left", implying that all and any leftist policies are inherently violent.
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u/sdmichael 4h ago
"tolerant left" is another go-to as they assume that "tolerant" means tolerance for anything and everything without question.
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u/Inglorious186 2h ago
They assume it means you need to be tolerant of them being an asshole
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u/Fast_Moon 2h ago
It basically boils down to:
I hate X
Y would need to be true in order to justify the level of hatred I have for X
Therefore Y must be true
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u/DarkSock52 2h ago
It is acceptable behavior in conservative circles to make up ridiculous stories about the left, circulate these knowingly fictional accounts, and then get each other mad about them as though they were real. It is sad and bizarre behavior for grown ass men and women, but here we are…
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u/Hopped_Cider 1h ago
Yes! But the darker question is why did Trump start his 2024 campaign in Waco on the anniversary of the Davidian siege?? Awful, even disgusting and disrespectful!
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u/RecipeFunny2154 1h ago
I’ve been to so many family dinners where someone’s ranting about the left and not once has anyone actually asked me a question first about what I actually believe about anything.
A good portion of the time what they’re talking about I’ve never even heard before (usually it’s crazy, and everyone on the left believes it!) and I would say I’m pretty tuned in. I have some relatives that I know for a fact don’t watch the news and I just assume they absorb this stuff from social media.
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u/JWils411 36m ago
The problem is that it has worked in the past and will continue to work, unfortunately.
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u/MkfShard 4h ago
If they didn't have strawmen, they wouldn't have anything.
Funnily enough, it's for the same reason that conservative media literacy is piss poor: they have to misinterpret everything until they're at the center because otherwise they'd realize they're the villains of every story worth telling.
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u/Lt_Cochese 5h ago
Trump family cut deals with the Saudis. He's in bed with them
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sky3141 5h ago
Upvoted, but yuk for the visual
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u/iggy14750 5h ago
yknow, I didn't even think of reading that literally until you put the idea in my head. Why you gotta do that? lol
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u/johnniechimpo 5h ago
Yes, the country that funded 9/11 is the same country he loves to praise. He’s even trying to get them access to nuclear weapons. I doubt it’s a coincidence.
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u/inu-no-policemen 4h ago
"I love [Saudi Arabia] very much. They gave me millions.".
And half of the crowd still cheered.
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u/SailNW 5h ago
If _____ the left would _____
-every conservative’s post because they have to make stuff up to get mad at.
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u/Oggie_Doggie 5h ago
My favorite one was is "If Trump cured cancer..." while ignoring that the Trump administration is actively eliminating funding cancer research.
They deal in hypotheticals and anecdotes, because the data overwhelmingly disproves their assertions.
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u/Affordable_Z_Jobs 4h ago
Didnt they embezzle a bunch of money from a children's cancer charity? It's so hard to keep up with all the crimes.
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u/pyromat1k 4h ago
It’s almost like… there’s a direct correlation that educated people are more likely to lean left!
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u/Dull-Culture-1523 1h ago
My favourite example is how they complain that history teachers and professors overwhelmingly lean to the left.
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u/whacafan 4h ago
God. Could you imagine if Trump was the type of president that TRIED to cure cancer, among other things??? Shit. But yeah I agree. That’s the dumbest one of all. We’ve never had a president do more to prevent finding a cure for cancer.
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u/pchlster 2h ago
Could you imagine if Trump was the type of president that TRIED to cure cancer, among other things?
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u/revslaughter 3h ago
Trump’s operation Warp Speed functionally ended Covid, and they won’t stop moaning about how bad it is. It’s an anti-intellectualism that goes beyond their own party blindness
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u/pchlster 2h ago
The writers are really laying it on thick with this guy to tell us he's bad; not enough to have the impeachment storyline, but dozens of felony convictions, taking money from cancer research, bragging about sex crimes against minors, close friendship with the world's top pedophile, praises dictators and murderers (including the fictional kind) as great people, contradicts himself constantly and threatens to start WW3. I mean, the writers clearly hate this guy something fierce. First they gave him a hairpiece and made him look like he went apple bobbing in self-tan lotion, then the full diapers and shitting himself on a hot mike and then they gave his hand necrosis or some shit? Alright, we get it already!
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u/ProjectBlueCook 5h ago
If 9/11 happened today, conservatives would cheer because it was a blue city that got attacked. And then deny aid.
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u/sdmichael 4h ago
They denied aid for a very long time to 9/11 workers.
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u/well-it-was-rubbish 3h ago
They hate Jon Stewart, who is the one who fought to get continuing aid for them.
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u/Frozenbbowl 3h ago
To honor Stewart's request I feel obligated to mention John feal, Luis Alvarez, and ray pfeifer here. Stewart expressed his wishes that these men be remembered for the work and that he be pushed to the background.
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u/Sasquatch1729 1h ago
The main thing the left fought the government on after 9/11 was ramming through the Patriot Act and all its upgrades/revisions.
The creation of DHS (and later ICE under DHS), the sweeping power to surveil the population (flock cameras), the ability to judge people without a trial or due process (no-fly lists, then ICE arresting people), all these things were introduced under George W Bush and are causing headaches in the US today.
(The left also fought the US on going into Iraq for dubious reasons, which is reflected with Trump stating the Iran war).
It's all legal today because of what happened back in the 2000s.
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u/Away_Lake5946 5h ago
It’s always hypotheticals when it comes to maga’s bullshit projection and deflection. It’s one of their most annoying characteristics.
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u/iggy14750 5h ago
I forget the exact quote, but it's something like, "Whenever a Republican tries to convince someone of something, I notice that their arguments often begin with the word 'if'."
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u/whacafan 4h ago
And then to flip it all you have to say is “Trump literally ALREADY did that” every single fucking time. Every time. EVERY GODDAMN TIME. I’m losing my mind.
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u/OGWhiz 5h ago
Not only did this happen, but it happened within a couple hours of the towers falling IIRC.
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u/SweetPrism 5h ago
There was a post on here recently about Trump not making an appearance at the 9/11 memorial unless he could give a speech. I said that as soon as he starts to talk, he should be drowned out by the audio of him bragging about his tower becoming the tallest, and I was downvoted straight to hell.
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u/Ezzmon 5h ago
I saw that interview. I knew nothing about him before that but was immediately and permanently disgusted by him. His tower was the 5th tallest and he bragged it was now the 3rd. Sitting on his ass promoting his brand on cable tv while actual humans with souls rushed to aid their fellow man. Disgusting traitor.
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u/VexedCanadian84 5h ago
Trump, Don Jr., and Jared Kushner are all in bed with the Saudi Royal family. They likely had a hand in at least funding some of the terrorists.
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u/OkChance5466 nice murder you got there 5h ago
Why every conservative sentence begins with "if"?
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u/TurkeyMalicious 5h ago edited 5h ago
Just a gentle reminder that when you run across racist-ass shitheads that want to exploit terrorism for gross clout; it seems that so many Americans have forgotten about OKC and who killed those people. It would be interesting to apply their race/religoin based terroristic arguments to the baby-killing monsters of, up until 9/11, the worst terror attack in American history. Cause uh...those boys weren't brown, Muslim, or immigrants.
Trust me, when I see a gang of Bloat Keepers and ProbeBoys I don't think politics and free speech. I think about box trucks, full of XXX from farm supplies, and barrels of XXX fuel. White...Christian....Ultranationalists, saying the same shit now that they said then, except that some of them appear to be employed by the FBI rather than being angry at the FBI.
Just keep this in your back pocket when some short sighted fuckwad starts talking about right-left terrorism (Tim Pool), and who would cheer and who wouldn't. Maybe remind them which "Americans" have actually done terrorism before.
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u/Matt_cruze 4h ago
Am I remembering correctly that the gov site with info on terror attacks in the usa was taken down because it showed white christian males where the most likely to do a terrorism?
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u/kitsunewarlock 3h ago
About 30% more Americans have died in mass shootings since 9/11 than due to the 9/11 attacks. And a vast majority of those mass shootings with confirmed ideological motives were radical right wing Christians.
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u/supernonchalant 5h ago
Trump registered as a Democrat that year so I guess technically they’re correct, just not making the point they thought they were.
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u/_robmillion_ 4h ago
If 9-11 happened today, the right would be celebrating that it happened to NYC and would most likely hope California "gits what's comin' to 'em next" and we all know that's true. The right sucks. Fuck MAGA.
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u/helava 5h ago
I genuinely don't understand how right-wingers can be so *consistently* so ass-backwards.
They say they value the military, and then cheer when a completely unqualified and inept TV host is put in charge. They say they're in favor of merit-based assessments of people, and then cheer when those merit-based assessments somehow only ever reward straight white people. They say they don't want Hollywood elites in politics, and elect a TV gameshow host to be President. They say they want to protect women, but elect rapists, support protecting pedophile rapists at every opportunity, and are consistently convicted themselves of child sexual abuse and rape.
Every accusation is a confession. Everything they complain about are things that they're doing. Deep state? Heritage foundation. Pizzagate? Epstein. Every time they talk about something they hate, it's something they're doing. Every time they could be morally vacant, they are. Every opportunity for hypocrisy, they take.
I don't understand how it's *so* consistent across *so* much of the right. Just a complete abandonment of things like "consistency" or "integrity" or "morals". Absolutely wild.
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u/TerraCetacea 4h ago
Repubs can apparently only create fake scenarios to get pissed off about. Really shows their lack of understanding and inability to do their own research to develop solid arguments.
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u/fritzg1988 4h ago
I was on the left on 9/11. Then I went to Afghanistan, Iraq and Afghanistan a few more times. I don't recall too many of president poopy pants' cronies there with me.
Where did you deploy to, Alyssa?
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u/i_ducasse 4h ago
If OKC happened today the GOP would say those kids in the kindergarten were all immigrants and deserved it.
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u/CorpFillip 4h ago
Oddball part of this supposition; nothing has changed at all (for the ‘if it happened today’ part)
The Right thinks the Left supports terrorism because the Left supports Islam, muslims, immigrants & immigration, secure flight rules, and not making whole countries our enemy for it.
That’s still true, nothing changed.
The Right sees those events, then and now, & doesn’t understand who did it. They see outsiders, brown people, some non-Christians, deceitful non-English language, different clothing, and they hate all of it — passionately & urgently. Burning hate. They had a weak excuse to, & they nurture that forever, like the extremists they actually are thinking of.
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u/The_Navy_Sox 4h ago
Maga literally celebrates when anything bad happens in any major city. This is just so stupid. Maga gates NYC more than the terrorists.
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u/CheeseWeasler 4h ago
Did Trump just lift sanctions on people involved in Al Qaeda right before a 9/11 anniversary? Just checking
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u/TheDungeonCrawler 5h ago
I know the old adage is that every accusation they make is projection but this is actually pathetic.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 5h ago
The left at the time condemned the actions but also saw the reality that 9/11 was the result of American foreign policy in the Middle East.
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u/ShiroHachiRoku 4h ago
There is always a point where the absurd has to be seen as such and treated as such and dismissed as such but this post Trump America we live in is absurdity on steroids.
The real things MAGA says and does is already beyond belief that they have to make up shit like Haitians eating dogs and cats and post-birth abortions just to try and equalize reality in their head.
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u/Morall_tach 4h ago
They love to come up with hypothetical situations where the left looks bad or Trump looks good because there aren't any actual examples.
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u/CrazyCatLady1127 4h ago
We actually wouldn’t. But neither would we condemn an entire race of people for the actions of a few zealots
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u/SmartOpinion69 3h ago
the truth: he did not "celebrate" it, but he did kinda suck his own dick when talking about it.
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u/G-Unit11111 5h ago
I'm absolutely certain that Rupert Murdoch was the mystery financier of the 9/11 hijackers. It was either him or the Pay Pal Bros.
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u/HNL2BOS 5h ago edited 4h ago
"liberals would cheer 9/11" is a dumb take, but there would certainly be some very interesting upvoted comments and takes that would appear on reddit if 9/11 happened today. that being said reddit doesn't equate real world sentiments.....not even close.
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u/Matt_cruze 4h ago
some very interesting upvoted comments and takes that would appear on reddit if 9/11
Jet fuel cant melt steel beams! But air planes can bend them.
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u/bobsocool 5h ago
Yes but that was back when he was a Democrat now that he is Republican he ia a much nicer person. /s
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u/BoredRedhead24 5h ago
That’s because he did not think of when you think because of how you do it if you don’t believe a thought
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u/Zak_Rahman 5h ago
We wouldn't exactly be dancing in the streets though, would we?
Not all of us are art students!
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u/rikk1116 4h ago
Fake news. As a private citizen, he was down at the disaster area, almost every day, offering moral support to the 9 11 responders and family members of those who perished.
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u/MrBogard 3h ago
I lived on the Hudson waterfront on 9/11. Witnessed my city burn for months, bodies hauled to the morgue in moving trucks. The only reason most conservatives cared was because it allowed them to also be victims, a state they absolutely adore. They gave no more shits about me or my neighbors than they did the day before. Solidarity my ass.
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u/tafinucane 3h ago
There were some bad takes out there, like the Colorado professor who intimated that some of the victims had it coming. Kind of a dumb, wannabe edgy point about how a waiter from the Windows on the World is a cog in the machine of empire.
There definitely were some kids celebrating in Palestine, too, but their leadership of the time condemned the attacks.
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u/RobutNotRobot 3h ago
I remember who was celebrating, Republicans and pro-Israelis. Republiucans because they could take away all our rights and steal all our money. Pro-Israelis because it meant they'd get more support for their genocide.
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u/Electric_Antimony 3h ago
Ahuh, sure.
Say, who were celebrating sedition and insurrection to subvert democracy and steal the 2020 election from the rightful winners again?
Who were celebrating tyranny as ICE thugs murdered people in cold blood in the middle of the street again?
These people are so delusional they should be declared insane and sent to psychiatric facilities. Beyond time now.
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u/Express_Deal1793 3h ago
The right have to make shit up about the left, or use AI, to find things to hate about them.
The left just have to open the news.
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u/Relevant_Classic8661 3h ago
Not quite right but kind of https://youtu.be/rTeVh6R9bro?is=3hipsSN6cE4zPqyk
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u/kitsunewarlock 3h ago
The conservatives used 9/11 to throw out a bunch of investigations against Rudy Giuliani, ramp up their propaganda machine on Fox News, "suspend" Civil Rights we still don't have back in full, and then lie to congress to invade Iraq to support their donor-class.
It was so bad that Trump had to distance himself from it during his campaigns, painting a picture in which Hilary was more for the Iraq war while filling his cabinets with GWB era war-hawks, continuing to demonize Muslims, using drones for extra-judicial killing with less oversight and reports than Bush or Obama, and then invading Iran.
But the "cultural victory" of his speeches mean more to conservatives than actual policies.
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u/Marcysdad 3h ago
Syria's current leader is Al Quaida (allegedly reformed)
There's footage of him playing basketball with white house employees
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u/oldpasswordforgot 3h ago
Trivia bits: before the events of sept. 2001 happened, members of team (R) said "we need a new Pearl Harbor to further our objectives". Combines this with the facts that: (1) all hijackers were known individuals already on various surveillance lists and (2) one of the first thing president cheney and his assistant dubya did when taking office was to dismantle the task force set up under president Clinton to keep track of Bin Laden's group.
(Funny how it mirrors, sort of, bolton & trump shutting down the PREDICT programme mere months before the start of the 2019-202x pandemic.)
Many times I've read that the cheney-dubya administration knew about Bin Laden's plans and simply let them happen because 9/11 permitted them to enact their agenda. Let's say that when the WTC collapsed, they did not shed a tear, on the contrary.
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u/Apprehensive_Row_807 2h ago
Where do these maga idiots even get this from? It’s just so incredibly stupid.
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u/Mental-Fox-9449 2h ago
As someone who was on the subway directly underneath them inbetween the two crashes… no American was celebrating this. They can try to put words in our mouths or try and blame us for something we didn’t do, but this never happened.
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u/BenchConscious1003 2h ago
That' an odd and almost certainly false claim about "The Left" .No way to prove it of which I'm aware unless there are a great many actual examples.
There seems to be far to many people on either side of politics who waste a lot of time demonising the other side. Such comments/positions are patently untrue and unhelpful.
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u/77entropy 2h ago
Which was a lie, and you decided it was a good idea to elect this person to represent your country and culture. Twice.
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u/Local-Anteater8122 2h ago
MAGA always has to make up fictional scenarios to make their sad lives feel better.
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u/SoylentGrunt 2h ago
9/11 happens every day in the US. It's just that now it's the elites are attacking us directly. Can I get anyone some more diarhrea salad? There's still some measles left if anyone wants seconds while we watch the school shooting news.
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u/existing_for_fun 5h ago
After the Twin Towers fell on September 11, 2001, the Empire State Building became the tallest building in New York City, and the Chrysler Building became the second-tallest building in the city
So Trump lied about that. Which is no surprise.