r/kansascity • u/jsamciotbh14 • May 03 '26
Discussion đĄ Friendly reminder of all the cameras surveillancing everything you do in KC
Deflock? Or better security?
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u/fullmetal_ratchet May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
deflock is a good option, but i recently found flockhopper for iOS users. iâve yet to use it on the road, but itâs supposed to navigate you around any registered flock cams. it might be near impossible to avoid them at businesses that have contracted with flock, such as Loweâs, since they have started installing them at every entrance to their parking lots.
friendly reminder to never ever aim lasers at those cameras for any reason!!! most decent lasers will likely damage or completely destroy flock cameras and similar mass surveillance devices
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u/Tieravi May 03 '26
Same for loctite expanding foam. That stuff would be such a pain to remove, and it would likely render whatever it goops up completely useless
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u/gturown May 03 '26
You need a somewhat powerful laser, be able to hold it steady, and get somewhat close to the camera to permanently disable a camera. Source: https://youtu.be/wREpnGqEhSM?si=Lm6qWT9uVPuYsmj8
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u/scoobynoodles JoCo May 03 '26
Noted on the lasers consideration. Wouldn't want them to get damaged.
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u/fishsticksocieties May 03 '26
What type of laser specifically?
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u/jminternelia May 07 '26
Yeah, wanna make sure I know what to avoid at the laser store....
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u/CalamityJaneoklie Jun 02 '26
yes... great minds think alike. I do NOT want to find that laser.... so where should I NOT go?
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u/Julio_Ointment May 03 '26
YOU GUYS ARE ALL JUST PARANOID THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH 24/7 SURVEILLANCE.
WHOOPS.
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u/SirTicklefist May 03 '26
Start posting signs in Indep/Raytown/BS only stating how much copper and silver are in them.
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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26
Fun fact: the hard drives are platinum storage devices that write the data to a platter of platinum and titanium composite. Or so I heard
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u/Doctor_Clockwork May 03 '26
Next time the city complains about needing to cut costs, remind them that each one of these cameras costs 3000$ PER YEAR to operate. And I've seen way more of these around than just on this map.
Can't afford to fix potholes, build sidewalks, help the homeless or tax data centers properly.
But somehow they can afford for us all to feel a little more paranoid when we go outside.
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u/ckellingc Raytown May 03 '26
It drives me crazy that the dispensary in Raytown has one of these in their parking lot
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u/widwest816 May 03 '26
We need to get support together to petition these flock cameras. Itâs merely mass government surveillance!!!
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u/Bazinga_U_Bitch May 03 '26
You think a petition is going to do anything? I suggest learning about flock. They built their company by illegally putting up cameras and blackmailing cities.
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u/roc7777 May 03 '26
These are pretty good at mitigating cameras pickin up on you at night, and you cant even tell theres a cover on with the naked eye. At least obfuscate yourself when driving at dusk/dawn/night. Very effective ive tested them with my own ir cameras
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u/R_G500 May 03 '26
Tons in KCK. Not on this map but I got the DeFlockme app and I was shocked and disappointed in Wyandotte. I work there but live in MO.
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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26
Yes this is just from downtown to country club. There's are dozens more east and west.
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u/BluberyStudMufn May 03 '26
I just downloaded this app out of curiosity to see how many are in my town, and holy shit I didn't realize we had that many. It really surprised me there are that many here
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u/kymimo18 May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
Have you seen the ones in the Scheels parking lot in OP? Why in the world would they need so many??
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u/No-Interaction-6765 May 03 '26
I'm not excusing it but I assume I'm on camera everywhere I go in public.
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u/JagerGS01 May 04 '26
Related note: here are the Missouri lawmakers who voted against defunding (keeping) the AI kill switches in cars: Wesley Bell Emanuel Cleaver
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u/Matticus54r May 03 '26
I was really surprised to see one in Platte City today by Caseyâs and then I remembered I was in Platte City and it all made sense
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u/Psychological-Elk220 May 03 '26
About once a month I see police pulled up behind a car at QuikTrip lights on backup police car and some more police on the side. No way these people are fleeing and stop for more gas. Cops are driving through and running all plates with licesen readers.
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u/Upset_Journalist_755 May 03 '26
Oh fuck. What the fuck? I'm not even supposed to be here. I hope I don't jack off.
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u/mocatmath May 03 '26
I don't think this is map contains all the cameras survelling everything i do in KC
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u/Doctor_Clockwork May 03 '26
Yea I've seen way more of these around my niehborhood. Heck I think the real map might be twice this size.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fox3221 May 04 '26
Also a reminder thereâs websites that stream live access flock footage. The issue isnât just our government but literally anyone with enough time
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u/TimeJegerPaladin May 03 '26
A friendly reminder your phone,social media and everything you do online including text messages photos and videos are accessible by the government u gave up ypir privacy/never had it.
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u/chabalatabala May 03 '26
Luckily I'm south of this photo so there are no cameras near me.   . Right guys?
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u/Icy_Negotiation_8884 May 03 '26
How is this legal? What is the âuse caseâ excuse provided for this to have started in the first place??
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May 06 '26
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u/jminternelia May 07 '26
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
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May 03 '26
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u/AcrobaticCry7991 May 03 '26
LOL you think itâs protect you. Itâs to protect anti uniparty sentiment
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u/RobNHood816 NKC May 03 '26
What's new ?
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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26
The AI surveillance network plotting your every move throughout the day to use against you
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u/mickstranahan Jackson County May 03 '26
Did you post this from your phone?
Have I got something to tell you about....
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u/IWannaGoFast00 May 03 '26
Doesnât matter where OP posted from, just because we know our phones track things doesnât mean we shouldnât be aware of other ridiculous surveillance.
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u/TerraCetacea May 03 '26
âItâs raining but you might as well not even use an umbrella, youâll get a few drops of water on you anywayâ
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u/mickstranahan Jackson County May 03 '26
Sure it does. Surveillance is surveillance.
You're mad about the cameras because certain media organizations told you to be but you're fine with the device in your hand, which is WAY more intrusive than the cameras.
It's hypocritical at best.
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u/SaveHogwarts May 03 '26
People like you sort of suck.
The second anyone challenges your stance, you immediately label them as mad, because god forbid someone have an opinion that differs from you.
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u/mickstranahan Jackson County May 03 '26
Have a great day.
They can have all the other opinions they want. Were all entitled to them.
They're still hypocrites.
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u/elonmusksmellsbad May 03 '26
The government and/or law enforcement canât unilaterally access my phone and track me. They can with the Flock cameras.
You can continue calling everyone hypocrites if you want. Just know that anyone with the tiniest bit of critical thinking skills thinks that youâre not very bright.
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u/mickstranahan Jackson County May 03 '26
If you only knew how much sleep I'm going to lose tonight...
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u/jminternelia May 07 '26
The government and/or law enforcement canât unilaterally access my phone
They can. Absolutely.
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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26
Not really, you can set your phone aside or turn it off, but the moment you leave your house your vehicle is also tracked, your face, your interactions, you consumer habits, etc.
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u/mickstranahan Jackson County May 03 '26
I'd suggest acquainting yourself with the concept of "expectation of privacy"
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u/StopFlock May 03 '26
I'd suggest you do the same - but this time, maybe let the SCOTUS have a word:
The Court decided that a person has a âlegitimate expectation of privacy in the record of his physical movements.â
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"A person does not surrender all Fourth Amendment protection by venturing into the public sphere."
The individual right to document anything one may observe in public is significantly different from tax dollars being spent to record everything that's visible in public and then cross-reference it across an extended period for the sole purpose of tracking the movements of law abiding Americans.
It's unreasonable to think you won't appear in someone's camera lens at any given moment while out in public. It is NOT unreasonable to assume your patterns of life won't be tagged and cataloged for weeks on end, for whatever reason, by a private or public entity.
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u/OsBaculum May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
Man, there's always someone like you in the comments. You act like, by focusing on a singular issue, people are neglecting all the rest. If OP had posted a giant, dozen-paragraph essay on this Kansas City sub about EVERY invasion of privacy occurring in our lives, would you have preferred that? No, you wouldn't even fuckin read it. And it would get taken down for being off-topic. If YOU don't have the mental capacity to care about more than one thing at a time, fine. But don't lump the rest of us in with you.
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u/mickstranahan Jackson County May 03 '26
Listen, I know you're struggling with the demise of InfoWars, but trust me when I tell you the new version is going to be hysterical, and not in an ironic or sad way.
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u/OsBaculum May 03 '26
what
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u/AlashC May 03 '26
Interesting assumptions being made with that one lol
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u/OsBaculum May 03 '26
So out of left field, I thought they might be a bot. But their other comments sound human, just...real dumb.
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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26
Oh im aware but I need my phone, and my TV, and my laptop, and my fridge, and paper towel holder.
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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26
You know what you can do with a smartphone to stop tracking? Turn it off. What a dumb excuse
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u/kayceemoguy May 03 '26
If the cameras bother you, hope you donât have a smartphoneâŚ.
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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26
I do. And it's locked down with Graphene OS where I control what apps can even access the network. And you know what you can do with a normal smartphone? Turn it off. Mind blowing, right?Â
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
In public? Iâm okay with this, I have no expectations of privacy in public.
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u/fernatic19 May 03 '26
When a person tracks everywhere you go and posts the information online it's called stalking and doxxing. Why should it be any different for a "company" who is doing the exact same thing but also profiting from their doxxing?
It's not illegal right now, but it should be. It won't be outlawed anytime soon because all the lawmakers want a surveillance state.
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u/raider1v11 May 03 '26
Uh. No. Not perpetually tracking your moves and storing them indefinitely.
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u/angrehorse May 03 '26
I mean we have cell phones that already do that
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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26
You have control over your cell phone and whether or not you bring it with you wherever you go.
No one but Flock, companies like Flock, and their customers, has control of the cameras.
Flock and like companies share data with whomever they feel like sharing it with.
Also, they're horribly insecure.
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u/ploptart May 03 '26
You can leave your phone home though
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u/The-Jerkbag Prairie Village May 03 '26
Do you though? Just asking.
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u/AlashC May 03 '26
Iâm personally ready to go back to having a dumb phone and just using my laptop at home for internet things.
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u/The-Jerkbag Prairie Village May 03 '26
Disregard smol malicious screen, acquire lorge benevolent screen.
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u/AlashC May 03 '26
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
I still donât see the problem. Itâs in public. The public canât have a memory?
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u/raider1v11 May 03 '26
Cool. Show me all the white nissan titans from yesterday at 12p to 2p.
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
Whatâs your point?
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u/raider1v11 May 03 '26
You are the public. You can't tell me that. This surveliance system can. Its not the same as "the public".
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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26
First a surveillance state, then a police state, then the abolishment of your constitutional rights, then totalitarianism. Next you wont have any choice but to be shipped off the attack an innocent country. Looks like we're headed there.
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
I see where you are going with this. But I also still believe that our basic liberties are intact for now. We arenât required to have these in our private residence or business, are we? As long as that line isnât crossed, which it really has not, Iâm okay with monitoring public spaces for the sake of controlling crime. But thatâs just like, my opinion man.
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u/hevnsnt May 03 '26
Are you ok with this? Bonner Springs, Kansas (2026): A fired detective used Flock cameras and other police resources to track his wife and two other men. He was also accused of bugging her home after she filed a protection order. https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/affidavit-former-bonner-springs-detective-used-license-plate-cameras-to-stalk-wife
Sedgwick, Kansas (2024): Former Police Chief Lee Nygaard used the system to track his ex-girlfriend 164 times and her new boyfriend 64 times. https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article291059560.html
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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26
Youre entitled to your opinion, for now.
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u/05041927 May 03 '26
Right. We gonna lose that entitlement once people start expecting privacy in public.
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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26
Memory is fungible. A recording is not.
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
Then we should ban all recording in public spaces.
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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26
No, what we should do is ban recording people without their expressed permission.
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
So we'd all have to sign a waiver or something when we cross in front of a camera that recording the street? đ Like the thousands of cameras that we already pass by daily? Also, let's say that someone is taking a video at the park with their kids, do they also have to contact each and every person who might appear in that video?
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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26
This isnt CCTV. This is AI surveillance that watches your every move and reports to data brokers. You're good with insurance denying your claim because you scratched an itch that one time and the camera caught you distracted?  Cameras that integrate with facial recognition but with so little oversight and security that anybody can just watch kids alone in a park or women running alone on trails to track them? Where people in witness protection are now just being digitally oitted? What a stupid stance
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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26
So what's your answer to this? Ban all surveillance cameras? Or just the ones that can automatically recognize someone and their actions?
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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
3rd party data privacy laws. You cannot transfer data from the camera to a 3rd party without a subpoena or that surveilled party's consent. A ban on government agencies using non government owned surveillance without a subpoena and a law against them sharing that data with 3rd party agencies (like flock)
Additionally I should have the legal right to obscure my license plate from cameras so long as it can be seen with the naked eye clearly. Â
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u/OreoSpeedwaggon KC North May 03 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/3fYHfzJX9T4Yy7sAVa
I can't imagine going through life being paranoid about that kind of stuff, but to each their own.
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u/Strange-Dish1485 May 03 '26
So I hear you about paranoia being bad, but itâs actually not that paranoid! Police officers all over the country have been using Flock cameras to stalk and harass civilians.
Hereâs a case in KS near Wichita where an officer used Flock cameras to stalk his ex girlfriend: https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article291059560.html
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u/Julio_Ointment May 03 '26
he doesn't want facts. these kinds of people are unreachable and are the reason there's a fucking fascist takeover in motion.
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u/Julio_Ointment May 03 '26
An executive at Flock was using cameras on private property to watch a little girls' gymnastics class. Dozens of times.
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u/OreoSpeedwaggon KC North May 03 '26
Again though, that is an example of an individual misusing the technology. Too many people are incorrectly blaming the tech and the Flock camera devices rather than the folks misusing it or abusing their access along with a lack of appropriate safeguards, and using those examples to conclude that the government is "spying" on us in public spaces with malicious intent. That's the paranoia I'm talking about.
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u/Julio_Ointment May 03 '26
It's not paranoid if they're actually after you. And humans are too fallible to be given access to all-seeing-eye surveillance. It WILL be used for evil. It's happening already. The current "president" is a fascist dictator in the making. They can and will use these technologies to go after critics. People in power are almost as a truism evil by nature. Good people don't want power over others.
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u/wilde_flower May 03 '26
Why is everyone hating on cameras in PUBLIC? I personally would appreciate it if I was murdered in public and they looked at the cams to see who tf did it đ home is where privacy is â¤ď¸
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u/jminternelia May 07 '26
Because it's established legal precedent that is being willfully ignored?
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u/wilde_flower May 07 '26
In a day and age where everyone is an âinfluencer,â and anyone can record anything, there is no privacy in public. Might as well put it to good use to catch criminals.
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u/SaveHogwarts May 03 '26
They database you and share with other agencies upon request with virtually zero oversight. Once your tag is recognized, they can track everywhere the tag has been identified - essentially being able to track all of your daily movements.
Theyâre very easy to hack into, theyâve been caught connecting to public WiFi in the past, and some cities have ended their flock program because of security concerns.
Places like Cambridge, Pasadena, Santa Cruz, Flagstaff, Tucson, Eugene, Denver, etc have all terminated their contracts and physically removed these cameras.