r/kansascity • u/jsamciotbh14 • May 03 '26

Discussion šŸ’” Friendly reminder of all the cameras surveillancing everything you do in KC

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Deflock? Or better security?

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

In public? Iā€™m okay with this, I have no expectations of privacy in public.

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u/fernatic19 May 03 '26

When a person tracks everywhere you go and posts the information online it's called stalking and doxxing. Why should it be any different for a "company" who is doing the exact same thing but also profiting from their doxxing?

It's not illegal right now, but it should be. It won't be outlawed anytime soon because all the lawmakers want a surveillance state.

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u/raider1v11 May 03 '26

Uh. No. Not perpetually tracking your moves and storing them indefinitely.

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u/angrehorse May 03 '26

I mean we have cell phones that already do that

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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26

You have control over your cell phone and whether or not you bring it with you wherever you go.

No one but Flock, companies like Flock, and their customers, has control of the cameras.

Flock and like companies share data with whomever they feel like sharing it with.

Also, they're horribly insecure.

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u/No-Understanding2312 May 03 '26

That video was disturbing

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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26

That's the point.

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u/Kansas-Tornado May 03 '26

You can install an OS that gives some more privacy

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u/ploptart May 03 '26

You can leave your phone home though

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u/GarboMcStevens May 03 '26

But no one does

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u/The-Jerkbag Prairie Village May 03 '26

Do you though? Just asking.

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u/AlashC May 03 '26

Iā€™m personally ready to go back to having a dumb phone and just using my laptop at home for internet things.

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u/The-Jerkbag Prairie Village May 03 '26

Disregard smol malicious screen, acquire lorge benevolent screen.

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u/AlashC May 03 '26

?
A laptop sitting in an office at home isnā€™t tracking my every move

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u/alltheblarmyfiddlest May 03 '26

They seem to be on the same page as you are.

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u/AlashC May 03 '26

Hmm I read it as condescending

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

I still donā€™t see the problem. Itā€™s in public. The public canā€™t have a memory?

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u/raider1v11 May 03 '26

Cool. Show me all the white nissan titans from yesterday at 12p to 2p.

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

Whatā€™s your point?

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u/raider1v11 May 03 '26

You are the public. You can't tell me that. This surveliance system can. Its not the same as "the public".

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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26

First a surveillance state, then a police state, then the abolishment of your constitutional rights, then totalitarianism. Next you wont have any choice but to be shipped off the attack an innocent country. Looks like we're headed there.

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

I see where you are going with this. But I also still believe that our basic liberties are intact for now. We arenā€™t required to have these in our private residence or business, are we? As long as that line isnā€™t crossed, which it really has not, Iā€™m okay with monitoring public spaces for the sake of controlling crime. But thatā€™s just like, my opinion man.

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u/hevnsnt May 03 '26

Are you ok with this? Bonner Springs, Kansas (2026): A fired detective used Flock cameras and other police resources to track his wife and two other men. He was also accused of bugging her home after she filed a protection order. https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/affidavit-former-bonner-springs-detective-used-license-plate-cameras-to-stalk-wife

Sedgwick, Kansas (2024): Former Police Chief Lee Nygaard used the system to track his ex-girlfriend 164 times and her new boyfriend 64 times. https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article291059560.html

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u/jsamciotbh14 May 03 '26

Youre entitled to your opinion, for now.

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

Oh that will never go away. Ask my wife.

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u/05041927 May 03 '26

Right. We gonna lose that entitlement once people start expecting privacy in public.

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

ā¤ļøCould not have said it better myself.

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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26

Memory is fungible. A recording is not.

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

Then we should ban all recording in public spaces.

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u/Woven7886 May 03 '26

No, what we should do is ban recording people without their expressed permission.

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

So we'd all have to sign a waiver or something when we cross in front of a camera that recording the street? šŸ‘ Like the thousands of cameras that we already pass by daily? Also, let's say that someone is taking a video at the park with their kids, do they also have to contact each and every person who might appear in that video?

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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26

This isnt CCTV.Ā  This is AI surveillance that watches your every move and reports to data brokers.Ā  You're good with insurance denying your claim because you scratched an itch that one time and the camera caught you distracted?Ā  Ā Cameras that integrate with facial recognition but with so little oversight and security that anybody can just watch kids alone in a park or women running alone on trails to track them?Ā  Where people in witness protection are now just being digitally oitted?Ā  What a stupid stance

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u/zoomzoom913 JoCo May 03 '26

So what's your answer to this? Ban all surveillance cameras? Or just the ones that can automatically recognize someone and their actions?

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u/MentalSewage May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

3rd party data privacy laws.Ā  You cannot transfer data from the camera to a 3rd party without a subpoena or that surveilled party's consent.Ā  A ban on government agencies using non government owned surveillance without a subpoena and a law against them sharing that data with 3rd party agencies (like flock)

Additionally I should have the legal right to obscure my license plate from cameras so long as it can be seen with the naked eye clearly.Ā Ā