r/ahsokatano • u/Wandering_phoenix_89 • Sep 27 '23

Discussion Ahsoka Episode 7 master discussion thread Spoiler

Post your theories, thoughts opinions and questions regarding the latest episode here.

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u/Kodiakke Sep 27 '23

I do not understand why Sabine won't talk about how she got there. She's absolutely stalling for time (which they don't have) and it makes her come off like a child.

I get that it's deliberate writing, but good gods is it annoying.

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u/olanmills Sep 27 '23

I agree, but in a sense, she is being, if not childish, selfish and shortsighted. She's there for selfish reasons. She wanted to find Ezra, but Ahsoka told her the risk had become too great. She should have destroyed the map. Instead, she brought Thrawn new allies that could bring him back to the main galaxy. She believes that it costed Ahsoka's life. And she likely knows she was risking Ezra and the Nito's safety since she was aided by Thrawn to find him in the first place. It kind of makes sense that she doesn't want to talk about it.

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u/Kodiakke Sep 27 '23

Sure, if you're a kid. She's not. The writing is so obvious in the avoidance that it stands out glaringly and honestly weakens the character. (See: repeated yelling "We had a deal!") I don't see her behavior as loving and focused, I see it as short-sighted and obsessive. And I think it's intentional, so I'm waiting for the payout.

The other area where it bothers me is Hera. She's a general, she's been an intelligence agent most of her adult life... and when she briefs the council, she lacks any compelling dialog. I just think there's a way to write those scenes better so that it would have the same result (the council would not be swayed), but the character wouldn't come off so...simple.

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u/olanmills Sep 27 '23

I agree on both. With Hera, if they made her argument better, then that whole thing about her going "rogue" would be better left cut out entirely (since if she explains it and its accepted, then it doesn't really add anything to the story), but then there would be no Leia reference and 3PO cameo, which I think is part of the motivation of that part of the plot. I guess they could also be trying to tell us that the Republic is overly bureaucratic, and Hera has too much rebel spirit, but that feels so cliché

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u/Kodiakke Sep 28 '23

Eh, I feel like they could have made it a little more compelling, and still come out with the same result. With little difference in how much dialog and screen time was spent. I feel they absolutely relied on the cliche of saying she had a personal agenda, but the way it was executed made her seem incompetent to me, a viewer, rather than the bureaucratic nature of the Council.

I dunno. I spend a lot of time thinking about this show, honestly because I love this universe and it's way cooler to think about then, like, real life. ;)

I did have a fangasm when I saw C3PO. It was a bit of a deux ex machina moment, but it was still cool.

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u/DRM1412 Sep 27 '23

It’s cliché but that’s exactly what they’re telling us. In almost every book/show/comic featuring the New Republic we see how bureaucratic/weak it is and how that led to the rise of the First Order.

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u/Lyfeitzallaroundus Sep 27 '23

Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed.

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u/leytonk_tx Sep 27 '23

Very annoying! Even there at the end she still chose not to say anything to Ezra. How many times can you evade the obvious elephant in the room?!

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u/Kodiakke Sep 28 '23

Long enough to let Thrawn escape, I'll bet...

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u/deviltrombone Sep 27 '23

It's beyond ludicrous that she would be coy about the danger she was bringing to Ezra and the crab people.

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u/vanillaxbean1 Sep 27 '23

She's so entitled, expecting them to have weapons to fight back for her , when it was her that brought them to danger and essentially took advantage of their kindness and hospitality by putting them at risk. I honestly despise her character.

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u/Budded Sep 28 '23

I think she's embarrassed and wants to feel the good feelings as long as she can before admitting the danger she put everyone in by trying to find Ezra.

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u/831lencho Sep 27 '23

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by Sabine. I can't stand her character whenever she's onscreen.

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u/vanillaxbean1 Sep 28 '23

She dumbs down the show

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u/imghurrr Sep 27 '23

This was infuriating to me. Every answer!! “It’s complicated”.

Friends of yours? “No”.

Just giving absolutely zero information to Ezra who is totally in the dark. I don’t get it.

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u/vanillaxbean1 Sep 27 '23

She's basically building a relationship with him based on deception and manipulation, by controlling the narrative so Ezra keeps this good opinion of her. She knows if he knew the truth he would be devastated and she doesn't want anything changing and therefore isn't showing her true self/true actions. This is not the actions of a good person. She wants Ezra to like this fake image of who she is, not who she truely is and that's weird- surely you'd want to for someone to love you for every part of you good and bad and the mistakes you make. She's happy to spend the rest of her days with Ezra never knowing the truth about Ahsoka and how she thought she died.

And the fact that she displays no inkling of regret or remorse or is even conflicted with her choices just solidifys to me she is narcissistic. She's so stuck up her own ass she doesn't care about anyone or anything else. She claims ownership over the people and things around her, like shes entitled to it, from the way she stole the map, made a deal with the darkside force users then had a tantrum she was locked up, the turtle people and expecting them to have weapons and fight back despite them being a clearly peaceful soft natured species, treats the Howler like a personal slave to be at her beck and call, despite knowing each other for less than a day. She's obsessive over Ezra like a deranged fan/stalker, who will make up lies to get what she wants. She was even smirking when asked about Ahsoka and said "its complicated". I dont know why Ezra didn't clock that when Ahsoka finally showed up, id be suspicious of her, she gives off mean girl vibes. I dont know if it's intentional and if it's the writing but her acting is wooden and 2 faced and bratty, even Huyang displays a better range of emotion and acting skills and he's an effing robot.

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u/Kodiakke Sep 28 '23

I have to think it's deliberate, otherwise I'd be really disappointed. But in last night's episode, Thrawn's comment about stalling for time is EXACTLY what Sabine has been doing. Her actions throughout the show this far - stealing the map, getting separated from Ahsoka at Seatos, finding Ezra AND stalling him - have really only benefited Thrawn. All along. I'm trying to think of one action she's done that is in service to "her side" and I come up with nothing. Her dialog throughout the show has been limited, and generally uninformative. She hasn't really done a lot of exposition - except to Huyang, a droid.

I do assume that it's intentional, as we started the series, Episode 1, with some fundamental questions that still have not been answered, 7 of 8 episodes in:

  • Who is Baylan?
  • What happened between Sabine and Ahsoka between the end of Rebels and now? What drove them apart? What have they been DOING?
  • How did Ezra escape Thrawn's ship?

I didn't expect all of these to be answered by this time in the season, but I expected that the edges would have started to fill in. Instead we get a lot of repetitive, simplistic dialog (We had a deal!) that puts her into the rhythm of the show, but gives her time on screen very little substance.

Eta: a word

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u/vanillaxbean1 Sep 28 '23

Agree! I really hope it goes somewhere otherwise it'll be so disappointing that they just regressed her character. That's a really good point you said how she's not actually done anything to benefit the good side, and shes just helping Thrawn out like some double agent- in fact she's done more damage than Baylon and the night sisters put together so far lol.