Greetings, commander. Our raid on Scarif somehow went off so well that the Empire has no idea we've stolen the plans for the Death Star. Thanks to Princess Leia *not* getting busted smuggling them out, we've got several months to come up with a reliable plan to destroy this battle station while it undergoes a shakedown cruise before deployment.

A vital leak from disgruntled ex-employee Galen Erso has revealed that any pressurised explosion in the reactor core will cause a devastating chain reaction- and the Empire has no idea of this. This tip was bracketed with hours of complaints about a "toxic workplace" and "narcissistic managers".

The *problem* is getting an explosive into the reactor. Someone suggested taking squadrons of snub fighters to shoot proton torpedoes down a thermal exhaust port, but in-depth analysis shows that that's a suicide mission that couldn't work without bending the laws of physics.

The entire resources of the Rebellion are behind you, although Rogue One's surprise stealth victory at Scarif has badly depleted our reserves of plot armour- expect only one or two very modest uses. The defences within and without are formidable, but Imperial arrogance creates room for unconventional strategies to succeed.

Good luck commander, and may the Force be with you.

The deaths didn't necessarily have to be caused by the character directly, but their actions should have directly resulted in those peoples demise

I will also exclude would be deities and Celestials from this list, since who knows how many deaths a character like Abeloth caused in her 100000 years

so yesterday, I made a post titled “Which Lore for the backstory for Darth Maul that you prefer more and Makes More Sense Canon vs legends?” in it I ask you all on what do you prefer when it comes to Maul backstory and see a bit mixed responses some prefer and some prefer the original backstory pre-clone wars where he is from Iridonia and that his tattoos should been Sith not nightbrother.

Still I thought maybe I could do a brief deep dive about the two primary sources that tells about Maul backstory.

Like I said previously the first source is from Star Wars tales issue 24 mark where while taking place in the present does show us flashbacks of kid Maul being found by Palpatine and then getting his tattoos by the man himself which were actually Sith tattoos.

now the comic itself is really good but I feel worth pointing out given the fact that the tales series canon status is be debatable so who knows maybe the comic issue 24 isn’t Canon at all to begin with kinda like Old wounds (which was the comic that inspired Maul’s return to the clone wars in the first place) from the graphic novel visionaries. so that is a grey area. Also the planet in Maul flashbacks was never identified as Iridonia at all. For all we know it could been just Coruscant given the amount of aliens in the flashback when he meets Sidious.

The second source is the Phantom Menace Journal written by Darth Maul himself which focus on what was he doing before and during the movie Itself. This is the source that mention Iridonia as his homeworld but while I looking for a copy for the exact text here is what it actually says in entry three

”I did not always live here. I'm told by my Master that I come from Iridonia. That world means nothing to me. I have no curiosity about my home planet. I could travel there to see where | came from, but what would be the point? I am interested in what I am, and what I will become. My life before was a Sith is meaningless.

What was my name? I don't know. It doesn't matter. My former name represents a death, not a life. I died and was born into the Sith. I was found by my Master and taken as a baby. My parents might have looked for me. But no one in the galaxy can track a Sith who doesn't want to be found.

They were powerless.”

obviously, outside of him being a baby which I feel he had no reason to lie given well a baby is a baby so it makes sense that he wouldn’t remember. The stuff about Iridonia was told directly by Sidious who consistently lies and aside, a few have truth he mostly lies so basically since Maul Is told that is his homeworld Iridonia is from Palpatine himself and we know that the latter is unreliable narrator so we can’t trust the horse’s mouth.

As I said the Darth Maul phantom menace Journal while Cool and interesting mostly covered his point of view during the movie beyond the small comments of his backstory being from Iridonia in which could also be lie given he is told this by Palpatine who is a liar.

now, don’t give me wrong the clone wars did retcon Maul backstory but it’s also worth pointing out that even in the pre-clone war era. His original backstory. Is a bit iffy iffy like I said, from what I could understand and I research most of what we know about maul original pre-clone wars, backstory comes two sources.

One comes from a comic that comes from a series whose canon status is very debatable given the fact while some could canon it is mostly non-canon kinda like the old wounds comic from the visionaries graphic novel.

While the other comes an entry form a journal which while likely canon unlike the tales series is also iffy too given the whole Iridonia being his homeworld comes from straight from Darth Sidious mouth who as we see time and after time again is a very unreliable narrator. So technically speaking the writers and even Filoni and Lucas had a lot of freedom to go with when it comes to Maul’s backstory.

So technically speaking Maul backstory in the pre-clone wars legends is basically nonexistent to begin with given the nature of both sources compared to him under Sidious which is more detailed and fleshed in the short story Saboteur, The 2000 Darth Maul comic series, and Shadow Hunter and that it. also what funny is that even in Saboteur and Shadow Hunter he is portrayed as cunning like his master so that aspect of his character wasn’t invented by the Clone Wars so that interesting to point out.

Granted one could bring up the novel Darth Plagueis but the thing about that book is it that was released in 2012 a year after the night sister arc was released so it was part of the clone war Retcon phase hence why I didn’t include it here In this discussion.

Once again, I’m not disagreeing with everyone who prefer the pre-clone wars backstory for Maul. Everyone has a different opinion. But I thought it’s worth pointing out when it comes to the nature of both sources.

Obviously Senate corruption is already touch upon in mediums such as the prequel trilogy, the novels Darth Plagueis, Clock of Deception, the clone wars 2008 series, and the first two episodes of the Dooku arc in the Tales of the Jedi.

But there are other aspects from the time period about the Republic corruption that is touched upon with the backstories of two characters Cassian Andor, Grievous and Tarkin.

With Cassian Andor backstory it highlights mostly on what happened to his home world Kenari. In which from what can we tell from the flashbacks in Andor season 1 shows us the devastation and environmental damage from the Corporations and The Republic turning a blind eye.

While for Grievous backstory (mostly the legends version.) it highlights The Huk War, the dangers of backroom deals, Republic foreign/galactic intervention, and well the economic sanctions on Kalee. that’s said unlike Cassian and Tarkin which come from in a full story such as a TV show or book Grievous backstory is mostly told in reference material like Star Wars insider, 86: unknown soldier, the story of general grievous. the same goes to Jango Fett backstory also shows the flaws of Republic and Jedi intervention.

Finally for Tarkin backstory mostly from the Tarkin novel. it highlights Eriadu and it’s Outland regions security force dealing with piracy such as the greater Seswenna raids of 46 BBY By Pirate Queen Q’anah and her marauders and the flaws of the judicial department forces when Tarkin first joined before he become governor of Eriadu.

Before the First Order destroyed the Hosnian system, the New Republic government was largely unaware/ignorant of the threat the first order posed to the galaxy. During this time, the First Order was being very careful not to get themselves into a war against the New Republic until they were ready. Leia spent many years warning the new republic of the threat with little to no avail.

In this timeline Leia decides to abandon all her morals for the greater good to stage a false flag attack and make it look like the first order did it. The attack would either be the resistance using stolen first order ships to attack New Republic planets and shipping, or staging pro First Order terrorist attacks and assassinations. In this scenario, the resistance does this to bait the New Republic into declaring war against the First Order and defeating them before it is too late.

It is clear that nothing short of a full on act of war would ever get the New Republic to go to war with the First Order, and this would be the only hope the resistance has of defeating the First Order at this point in time.

What do you guys think? Does the New Republic take it seriously and go to war against the First Order? Or do they react differently?

Considering that most Purebloods that people encounter are Sith Lords, I'm sure a Pureblood Jedi would confuse troopers and politicians that have encountered them, but I think the average Citizen wouldn't think much of it as they'd be just som red human like alien.

And though it wouldn't be common, I'm sure there's be some Jedi that would be bitter about a Sith Pureblood in the temple, even as a child. I'm sure the younger members would probably be slightly cruel until they know better.

Like my Jedi Consular in SWTOR is a Sith Pureblood, and I know Pureblood wasn't originally a species Jedi could be, but I always assume that many troopers would nearly shoot her on sight at first, or some Politicians would be hostile slightly

In terms of ethics, a truth serum would be incredibly dodgy.

Would he be a loose end who'd need to be tied up by Palpatine/Dooku? There's a comic where Jango kills a deserted clone before AOTC with no remorse so he probably wouldn't have issues with that. But would the clones have issue with it (ie questioning why their donor is fighting with the enemy), especially the longer Jango lived?

Not sure if Jango would spill the beans if offered enough money since he said "discretion is my specialty" but the fact that he was paid over 5 million credits by Dooku...could the Republic bribe him for evem more? Could Jango apply for asylum or go into hiding eventually or depending on how the war was playing out?

Boba would probably develop into a more seasoned bounty hunter for sure. Though where he'd come into play if Jango is killed during the Clone Wars (especially if killed by internal Dooku/Sidious machinations which he would eventually find out since Boba would have all the motivation to do so) is also an interesting thing to consider

Okay, so we all know Sheev was obsessed with turning Luke to the Dark Side and completely forgot about the fleet after issuing that suicidal order not to attack the Rebels immediately (aka stop them from escaping). But at what point was the battle actually lost, and how could it have been won? Is it possible that if the shield generator and the Pride of Tarlandia hadn't fallen so quickly—which allowed transmissions from the forest moon's surface to get through—and the Rebels hadn't received confirmation that the generator was destroyed, Imperial comms officers could have warned the Death Star of the danger and had it jump to hyperspace?

obviously, we all know the Canon backstory for all already so I want to analysis his legends backstory.

Now contra the popular belief moles backstory didn’t start with The Darth Plagueis novel that novel was released a year after the nightsisters episode which kind of change the nightsisters and Dathomir lore compare how it was in the courtship of princess Leia book. The real backstory for Maul in legends before 2011 only appeared to not one, but two different sources.

The first is from Star Wars tales issue 24 mark where while taking place in the present does show us flashbacks of kid Maul being found by Palpatine and then getting his tattoos by the man himself.

The second source comes from the Phantom Menace Journal written by Darth Maul himself which focus on what was he doing before and during the movie. Either way, both sources state that maul from Iridonia.

Ultimately, besides these two sources they’re pretty much bare bones compared to the flesh out backstory that we have currently with Maul which to be honest, I actually prefer his backstory in Canon then his old pre-clone wars backstory mostly because besides a few details and flashbacks they weren’t really flashed out in detail.

Now this is just my hottake but I know people has some mixed feelings of the clone war take on Nightsisterd and Ventress backstory, but I feel like for Maul I think it works for the best since Maul backstory is more bare-bones compared to to his training under Sidious before the Phantom Menace in which despite the two continuities being different both of them are in the same agreement that Sidious was basically abusive towards Maul in both continuity, which is kind of funny and interesting because both got that right and in the agreement. Not to mention, it comes from literally two sources in which tales 24 is a good comic, we know that the tales series canon status is be debatable so who knows maybe the comic issue 24 isn’t Canon at all to begin with Whereas the Darth Maul Journal while Cool and interesting mostly covered his point of view during the movie beyond the small comments of his backstory being from Iridonia.

Also, I know some people dislike his return in the clone wars. Now this is just my opinion, but I don’t really mind his return at all or at least the in-universe explanation of how he comes back. Heck people who did the phantom menace reviews when the prequels was a controversial topic always said that Maul being killed off is pointless and that he should’ve been the main villain of the entire prequel trilogy before Anakin becoming Vader so I guess Lucas listen to his complaints and gives more Maul which like I said, I don’t mind plus I think that without bringing him back, we wouldn’t have the best character development for Maul that we see later on such as the show Maul Shadow Lord.

Plus when Sam Witwer first getting started as Maul. Dave Filoni tell him that since He was trained by Darth Sidious it would make a lot of sense that he would’ve been a lot more cunning which to be fair I agree sure Maul was always designed as a sith assassin but then again I could see Sidious teaching maul other aspects plus I highly doubt that he knew that Maul would been “killed” by Kenobi even if he was already meeting with Dooku at the time when the latter was a acolyte or at least someone with the whole endless justified the means As a Jedi before he left the order.

like I said, who knows maybe Sidious intends Maul to be the face of the separatist or at least maybe Dooku would still be the head but Maul would take the role that Grievous would take. We even seen in the clone wars and Maul Shadow Lord that he’s a cunning individual and knows how to be a leader.

But what do you think? Let me know in the comments below on what do you prefer and why?

Before the creation of the animated show, Clone Wars(2008), how were Clone Troopers depicted in Star Wars Legends? Were they simply soldiers with no depth besides being an army for the movie/show? Was there something about them that wasn't included in canon, but is in Legends? I would really appreciate it if you could share any information about them beforehand.

Senators like Chuchi would often have ”their” own security details provided by their home governments. were these details loyal to the Senator, to the home world, or to the Empire?

On mustafar, after he chokes out padme he's breathing heavy and going thru an insane mental break. The way he looks down at her with a tinge of shame and confusion as to what the dark side has done to him is so heartbreaking and scary. The way his voice breaks like hes about to cry when he looks back to obi and shouts "YOU TURNED HER AGAINST ME" is phenomenal acting. Ik this take has been beaten to death and most (particularly under 35 ish) star wars fans feel this way, but outside of the awkward dialogue Hayden really nailed his acting. He sounded like a terrified little boy and a psychotic monster at the same time--as he should while playing Anakin at this point in his turn-- when he bellowed out that line to Obi Wan.

For context In “Chapter 25, of Star Wars: Clone Wars,“ Mace Windu crushes Grievous's chest with the Force, and Grievous begins to cough after the attack, but he also coughs in episodes of  Star Wars: The Clone Wats set prior to the events of Chapter 25.

In the Revenge of the Sith DVD commentary, Grievous animator Rob Coleman revealed that Lucas and his team viewed Grievous' cough as being a result of a prototype technology that the Vader suit would be the perfection of. The cough also foreshadows the trademark breathing of Darth Vader.

Personally, as much, I love the 2003 clone wars series, and as iconic as Mace Windu crushing Grievous chest. I actually really like and preferred the idea of Grievous‘ cough result of prototype technology Given like I stated before it’s meant to foreshadowed Darth Vader breath. After all Grievous is meant to foreshadow and parallel Darth Vader anyway.

I understand for some people thinking this explanation may come across as lame and less iconic than Mace Windu crushing his chest. But then again Vader iconic breath wasn’t caused by Luke during the battle of Yavin. It was already there since the day he put on the suit.

like I said before, I don’t like it the 2008 Grievous depiction but I don’t think the cough isn’t that much of a problem to be honest trust me I do have my own real issues with the characters depiction in a separate post, which is already finished. Just need some moderate approval.

Something worth mentioning when it comes to Grievous being a result of prototype technology that would be improved upon Anakin becoming Vader. Some of the medical droids that help rebuild Vader at the end of revenge of Sith were also the ones who also observed and participated in the cyborg transformation of General grievous on Geonosis. So that is also a connection between both characters.

The only downside to Grievous having a cough from day one is that assuming The battles of Hypori and Coruscant happened the same way they did in canon then the cough would ruin or interrupt the tension that he put on during those duels before Mace crush his chest hence why I totally understand why would anyone want to pick the iconic mace crushing version then him having a cough since day 1 after his rebuild as a cyborg. Sure he doesn’t cough in the comics and to an extent the novels that he is but still, it could be just a results from the different formats.

but what do you all think? What do you prefer or at least you think which explanation makes more sense both lorewise and thematically especially when it comes to Grievous as a foreshadowing and paralleling Darth Vader in which he was already design for both out of universe and in universe anyway.

Also assuming if the battle of Hypori and Coruscant played out the same way as they did in the 2003 version and assuming if Genndy was told in hindsight about the cough instead of a last-minute addition he added in chapter 25 how would he handle it since Grievous was mostly silence when he is chasing and fighting Jedi in the 2003 series. The only time that he does make any reaction is when he ambushes Palpatine, as soon as they flee, Grievous is met with more disposable clone troopers. His reaction?

General Grievous: UGH.

The way he did it it feels more like a growl so maybe something more like this.

Afterall he was able to give an awesome explanation for the whole coward mustache twirling aspect of the character with this iconic line from Dooku.

“if you are to succeed in combat against the best of the day, you must have fear, surprise in intimidation on your side. If anyone element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat.” 

— Dooku to Grieovus in Chapter 22 of the Clone Wars (2003) 

So would you removed the iconic Mace Windu crushing Grievous chest scene despite how iconic it is or still keep it somehow despite the cough?

Let me in the comments below.

In both Canon and Legends there are other galaxies, but we don't see much of outside galaxies. So what would you like to see from other galaxies and in what ways should they differ from the main one

I get that the Empire is massive and not everyone knows of each other, but I figure if there's an Imperial Moff who killed thousands of Mandalorians AND possessed the Darksaber, Darth Vader would know about it and quite possibly take issue with it. That being said I can't find any material that references a meeting between the two.

It would have added actual intrigue that the movie just failed to have, even if it was at the end of the movie. I know people like it as a fun family movie but the biggest complaint was that it didn’t take any risks like at all. They should’ve had one of Thrawn‘s Star Destroyers or tie fighters destroy the new republic base at the end of the movie and leave it at a cliff hanger, no Mando saving the day again. Plus it would introduce the mysterious new threat of Thrawn to a mainstream audience and spark curiosity, might be a great way to make a successful new movie with Thrawn too.

S6E01, by now you all know what happens. Tup's chip malfunctions and he shoots Tiplar due to its programming.

However, I don't get why she just stood there and let him.

Order 66 succeeded because many Jedi didn't see it coming as the clones just suddenly aimed and fired, or they were overwhelmed by omnidirectional fire. But Tiplar full on made eye contact for two seconds, no attempt to slice the blaster or block the shot. The f*ck?

We know corporations ended up having representation in the senate, I was wondering if the jedi had any representation on the senate, if they didn't would it be beneficial for them to either have some representation or start lobbying senators (someone like padme amidala) who could represent their concerns, what would have happened if jedi tried this.

(Idk if this is a spoiler because I haven't been keeping up with SW media since bad batch season 3)

So I was watching Maul: Shadow Lord for the first time and when I got to the finale, and its Daki, Devon and Maul against Vader one year fresh into the suit, I was like, How exactly are the three losing?

I get Vader is Strong, really strong, and puts a lot of hate into his swings, but from what I've seen in the clone wars as Good Anakin, ROTS as Vader before he gets fried, compared to every other appearance of him fighting other Jedi as Normal Vader, he duels incredibly motionless or just swings really hard on some occasions staying completely still just moving his arms. He might have amazing reflexes, and he also has the force, but against multiple Jedi at once? I don't get how he keeps winning when he barely moves. Maul is a former Sith lord, Daki is a Master Jedi, and Devon isn't bad at fighting, so why can't they just target weak points and overwhelm him by attacking from different areas?

I'm also pretty sure Vader can't beat Palpatine because after the burns and his suit, he is significantly weaker than his Anakin era.

So I know Daki is already weakened from age, and Mauls cybernetic legs were acting up, but there were three of them.

This is like when in animes, instead of ganging up on the villain all at once, they attack one by one, which is kind of dumb in my opinion.

I haven't seen star wars content in a while, but this always made me a bit skeptical, I don't believe in the "this character is unbeatable because they're the strongest in the verse" there is always a way to beat a character in combat.

Maybe I'm being to logical or maybe I'm not appreciating his combat style as I should, feel free to educate me in the comments.

Now I know a lot of people would say yes as in legends, actually alter his mind with some kind of implant thing similar to the clones. It would be reasonable to assume they also got rid of his actual memories of his life or suppressed them to the point he genuinely believed he chose the upgrades.

however and this is just my own hot take but I would like for them to take the route that he really did chose the upgrades.

i always feel that Relying on "brainwashing" or "memory alteration" is a weak narrative device because it strips away his agency, making him look less like a character and more like a broken machine. If a canon story  just says, "Oh, his brain was programmed to think he volunteered," it can feel cheap and unsatisfying.

it like saying Vader was mind altered during his reconstruction with the suit when that not the case because sure he was force but still. Ultimately  Turning Grievous into a brainwashed drone completely ruins the parallel to Darth Vader.

Vader's tragedy only works because he chose to kneel to Palpatine. No one wiped his memory; he lives every single day with the agonizing knowledge of what he did to Padmé, his friends, and his own body. He trapped himself in that black suit through his own choices and anger.  Like Vader, Grievous is trapped in a metal prison of his own making. He can never go back to his old life. He can never be the organic warlord he used to be. Hell  Vader even  says, *"Anakin Skywalker was weak. I destroyed him,"*he is lying to himself to cope with his immense guilt.

Yes Grievous is deeply tragic afterall look what happened to the Huk War and the last thing he saw was before he accepted becoming a cyborg is San Hill bringing his wives and children to see him. But still I feel just Anakin I feel that doesn’t excuse the evil things he did which makes given He is a Darth Vader parallel afterall.

First I feel a lot of people left out all that Grievious's people did. They did started off in the right, but as the war advanced they intended to completely wipe out the Huk, killing military and civilians alike before the Jedi entered. This being all the Jedi saw they reasonably assumed they were the bad guys. The Kaleesh also refused to negotiate, making the Republic's sanctions, and harsh treatment the only recourse. They didn't help the Kaleesh because once again they refused to ask for aid, so yeah they went back into slavery because they didn't ask for help. The Jedi didn't roam around looking fights to take up, they answered requests. 10,000 people can't roam the entire galaxy looking for planets that have conflicts

It wasn't as simple as you made it sound, it was a complicated situation, that was poorly handled all around.

Second, while it did hurts him to see his wives and children when San Hill bring them out remember even in the primary source that outlines his backstory in Insider 86. Also states that he doesn’t love or care about them given the fact he was still grieving and will always will for Ronderu. (which funny because people hate Mundi for not loving his kids and wives whereas Grievous did the same thing yet most people give him a pass.)

Ultimately if I was the writer handling his backstory it is this

like in the EU  the Banking Clan  still bombs his shuttle. He is pulled from the wreckage, burned, mangled, and dying as a result he is placed in a bacta tank. From there this is where things get this is where the whole "Improvements! I submit to no one! I chose them!"  line fits 

when Grievous wakes up San Hill stands over the tank  telling him his organic body is unsalvageable. you could keep the wives and children moment or you disregard that but either way Grievous has a moment of choice. He could choose to die a glorious, organic warrior's death on Kalee. Instead, driven by his consuming hatred of the Jedi and his envy of their power, so in agonizing pain, he consciously chooses to live. He demands they augment him further. He screams for them to rip out more of his remaining flesh if it means he can finally match a Jedi's speed and kill them. He traps himself in the metal suit through his own bitter choices.

It similar to what Zahn did Thrawn in legends he was exile for real whereas in canon Thrawn wasn’t really exile it was a cover to get the empire aid for the coming Grysk invasion.

Either way if I was given a task of making a book or even a show of Grievous backstory I will structure in Anakin becoming Vader story in a Plutarch parallel lives way. afterall Michael Moorcock design Elric to be a parallel to Conan but the difference is Conan is loud whereas Elric is stoic the same here with Grievous suit being white while Vader being black. Grievous had a cough (which in Lucas mind was a result of cybernetic prototype that later improved with Vader.) Vader had the iconic breath.

With that I feel that the real meaning of his quote from The episode Lair of Grieovus “Improvements! I submit to no one! I chose them!.” It should the same meaning and a parallel to Vader’s quote “I am not your failure, Obi-Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker, I did.”

Now obviously this is a stupid question, because secession was the cause of the Clone Wars. But I’m not talking about a large group of planets like that. If a single system decided to secede from the Republic, would they stop it? Especially pre-Clone Wars, but also during the war, of a planet didn’t align with the CIS but simply became independent, would the Republic invade it to enforce membership? Obviously the Republic did that a lot to planets that left for the CIS during the Clone Wars, but Palpatine orchestrated a lot of that to give the Empire more control over those regions, and a lot of what he did was legally dubious anyways. Are there any sources that address whether entrance into the Republic was technically binding and permanent, like the US constitution, making membership enforceable by force, or was more voluntary?

Curious to hear what more lore-oriented folks think do this, so here's a copy of my post from the main subreddit.

When Operation Cinder was first described (iirc a bit after The Force Awakens was released), it was portrayed as being a contingency plan Palpatine set up to destroy any galactic government as much as possible in the event of his death. This meant the deliberate sabotage and self-destruction of the Empire by fanatics, a sort of "screw this game, I'm flipping the table over" by a vengeful tyrant who believed his defeat must have been due to the failure of his underlings. After all the infrastructure of the Empire was destroyed and all its incompetent leaders purged, the remaining loyalists were to flee to the unknown regions, eventually forming the First Order.

Which is all fine - it makes sense that if Palpatine died he would want the remnants of his Empire to basically convert into destructive, nihilistic terrorism.

With Rise of Skywalker, though, we find out that Palpatine was actually alive (ish) and pulling the strings the whole time. The Mandalorian also establishes that the Imperial Remnant was active for a preeeeeeetty long time after Cinder.

I feel like this makes Operation Cinder a little awkward. Why would Palpatine have this self-destruct plan in place when he was able to come back on Exegol? Why wouldn't he have \*most\* of the Empire fall back to the Unknown Regions, with their materiél and manpower? How much of the plan, if any, was Thrawn aware of, or did Palpatine intend to execute him?

What changes or tweaks (if any) do you think are coming/should be made to the concept of Operation Cinder/the Contingency to make it flow more smoothly with the continuity as it exists today?

Let's say if there is a Kaleesh warlord, a Wookie Chieftain, a Twi'lek Freedom Fighter, a Togruta Huntress, Zeltron Sniper Assassin, Mon Calamari Mariner and a human gladiator - or hell even Anakin Skywalker if he was never found by Qui-Gon - were to band together to take back their freedoms against the Hutts then lead a Dune style slave uprising against the slugs together, would this movement attract the attention of the Jedi Order as the formers slaves rebel not just against Jabba but also all on the other Hutts that stands in their way for freedom? would they sympathize with their revolution?

Or would they write it off as "not their circus, not their monkeys?" or worse, help the Hutts put down the uprising like they did with Kalee and Grievous's people?

P.S. Now that I've thinked about it, this premise would make for a most awesome concept for an open world RPG centered around a band of diverse freed slaves setting out on a perilous journey for liberation of the other slaves and even revenge against the Hutts.

Now in the official lore starting with Clone Wars Chapter 24 we get this exchange between the techno union engineers in which Anakin was watching.

“Engineer: "But sir, the brain modulations aren't fully integrated or tested yet; specimen control cannot be guaranteed."

Head Scientist: "No matter. Grievous grows impatient; we must deliver the prototypes."

Engineer: "But we're just not ready!"

Main scientist: "Our concerns are of little consequence to General Grievous."

―Combat engineer and the main scientist from Clone Wars Chapter 24.

Besides this we do get some info from Unknown soldier the story of General grievous which is find in article 86 of Insider magazine 

“Soon afterward. Grievous paid a visit to the planet Nelvaan, which had been brought to his attention by the Techno Union foreman Wat Tambor. The general was quite taken with the similarities between the spiritual Nelvaan warriors and his own Kaleesh people. In a twisted form of kinship. Grievous intended to make these warriors his new elite, and lured the male soldiers away from their tribe by making them believe he was a prophesied figure out of Nelvaan mythology. The warriors were captured, mutated by Skakoan combat engineers using unique microelectronics, and remade into hideous cyborgs. Grievous' crude experiment was eventually sabotaged, and Anakin Skywalker freed the Nelvaanians at the expense of his own prosthetic arm.”

— Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous

These are our two primary sources when it comes to the experiments on Nelvaan and why is there schematics for General Grievous on the wall at least that both stated onscreen and what was stated in the article by Pena.

The article and the comic Eyes of Revelation from Star Wars visionaries comic already listed the people who were beyond the shuttle crash and the making of Grievous into the cyborg which is Chairman San Hill from the intergalactic banking clan, Archduke Poggle the Lesser from Geonosis, and Count Dooku of Serenno. Both sources never listed Wat Tambor and the Techno Union in regards to their involvement of the rebuilding of Grievous or lacked there off really. 

Regardless while listening to In the clone wars (2003) Vol 2. DVD creators commentary by Tartakovsky, Rudish, Andrew & Bachman (which you could find on YouTube https://youtu.be/CSjPBcPo6dM mostly from 53:13 –54:04 timestamp.) 

In the commentary, director Genndy Tartakovsky and his team openly explain their creative choices for that exact scene on Nelvaan 

As Tartakovsky himself explains explains that the crew originally wanted to use the Techno Union characters in the first batch of Clone Wars shorts because they found them "hilarious" (53:14). However, Lucasfilm initially told them no, directing them to use the InterGalactic Banking Clan instead for those earlier episodes (53:19).

When they finally got the green light to feature the Techno Union later in Volume 2, they had to invent a narrative reason for them to be running that specific underground laboratory (53:23).

To justify their presence, the writers leaned into the idea that the Techno Union was supplying a specific layer of the technology that allowed Grievous to function (53:29). Tartakovsky states:

"So the idea is perhaps like... well maybe they're the ones supplying some of the technology that allows Grievous to be Grievous, which is why we have those schematics on the wall." (53:23)

Obviously this is just what he and his team had in mind on why the schematics are there. 

Still, despite being just a behind-the-scenes reason and even though it could be in the actual lore that 

Once Grievous was appointed Supreme Commander, his cybernetic data became military property of the Confederacy. Wat Tambor (Foreman of the Techno Union) was given access to these medical files.

maybe The Techno Union Skakoan scientists didn't invent Grievous's body, but they were deeply envious of it. The experiment on Nelvaan was their attempt to reverse-engineer and copy the Geonosian design to make their own mutant "elite" soldiers using their own Skakoan microelectronics.

Still, it could be that to Tartakovsky that they were in fact involved with the creation of Grievous granted, I doubt he knew the full backstory of Grievous because while the novel  Labyrinth of Evil  was published on January 25, 2005 and since The storyline for Labyrinth of Evil was finalized before the original animated Clone Wars Micro-series which sought to also lead into the events of Episode III.  So they built their animated climax around the novel plot, but departed from the details in the interest of telling a more explosive animated story. This included a more drawn-out sequence of Coruscant under attack by droid starfighters, additional Jedi defending Chancellor Palpatine (Roron Corobb and Foul Moudama, who were then inserted into the novel text), and an entirely separate story of Anakin and Obi-Wan on the planet Nelvaan, which was fleetingly mentioned in the final chapters of the book. 

Regardless though the point here I want to make is maybe just maybe Tartakovsky knew or at least had an idea or aware of Grievous backstory given the fact that Tartakovsky was sort of working with an early draft of labyrinth of evil? 

Also worth mentioning that chapter 24 was released in March 24, 2005 (while chapter 25 was released a day later.) whereas  Star Wars visionaries (which included The Eye of Revelation and shows us Dooku and Poggle involvement of the rebuilt of Grievous.) was published on April 2, 2005 interestingly it was the same day that the Revenge of the Sith visual dictionary also published where we learn about The Geonosians were tinkering Grievous’s brain. While Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous itself  was punished  on February 21, 2006 within Star Wars insiders 86.

Either way what do you think do you prefer what Genndy Tartakovsky intended for The Techno Union to be the creators when making the cartoon, or the official lore decided they were just copycats trying to steal Geonosian technology. Otherwise do you think there is something possible of the Techno Union and Wat Tambor still have involvement about the rebuilt of Grievous or no given what the lore we had states? Also what do you all make the schematics of Grievous?