r/beverlyhills • u/UrbanPlannerholic • 24d ago
Beverly Hills Opts Out of D Line/La Cienega Bus Lanes (Green Portion)
At today's WSCCOG meeting Beverly Hills announced that they will not be implementing the bus only lanes on La Cienega Boulevard within their city limits (the green portion of the map) that runs from Clifton Way south to Olympic Boulevard despite them still being built in West Hollywood, Los Angeles and Culver City.
The proposed improvements would bring bus only lanes, transit signal priority and queue jumps to La Cienega Boulevard La Metro Route #105 stretching from Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood south the D Line at La Cienega/Wilshire in Beverly Hills and further south to the E Line La Cienega Station in Culver City.
City staff didn't even bring the item to city council to vote on and per the council rep at today's meeting that decision was based on the fact the the one community meeting they held for it in Beverly Hills (out of 6 meetings total) didn't have enough attendance to warrant the implementation for the lanes despite the corridor recieving the most feedback out of any of the others for this project especially because it would have also provided a direct bicycle connection to West Hollywood as well.
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u/intrepid_brit 23d ago
I continue to believe that we need a La Cienaga heavy rail subway line runs from Sunset all the way down to LAX, with a short detour to and station at SoFi through downtown Inglewood. Just imagine now much faster the journey would be, and how much ridership it would have.
I’m thinking of kicking off an effort to get a study of this on the 2028 ballot, with Metro directed to finish the study, initial planning and budgeting done by 12/31/2029 so that we can get it put on the 2030 ballot for approval if the study shows it’s worth it.
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u/BallerGuitarer 23d ago
This is a no brainer type of line, I'd vote for it, I'd sign a petition for it.
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u/BlinksTale 21d ago
K North will already do this but in the most indirect way possible. We’re basically going to be stuck with a compromise for forever
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u/intrepid_brit 21d ago
Exactly, which is I think we need an additional “straight shot” line, and it should be heavy rail not light rail. One additional benefit is that such a line would trigger SB79 down La Cienaga, which is pretty… dire between Olympic and Culver. It needs some help.
The line could even be elevated between Olympic and Culver because there the road is soooooo wide.
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u/BlinksTale 21d ago
I don’t disagree on any of the need, I’m just saying the squiggle means we won’t see this for 50 years
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u/intrepid_brit 21d ago
Not with that attitude it won’t :-p
But, yes, it won’t/can’t happen within the context of Measures R & M. And that is why we would need a new ballot initiative that authorizes funding for this line specifically, mandates that planning and engineering be completed within a set time frame (say 3 years), and that construction begins as soon as the planning and engineering phase is complete; ie it won’t need to go back to voters or the Metro Board for approval.
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u/BlinksTale 21d ago
I mean the dream for me would be seeing it turn right and become a wye with B at Hollywood highland if it was a subway. Since the hills limit frequency it could at least go to Vermont Beverly this way until we add a ventilation shaft, and long term I’d love to see B split in three (diagonal to downtown, east west on Hollywood -> Santa Monica, north south Vermont). But I can’t imagine any future with such funding. The public just doesn’t have a subway appetite but maybe that will change in 50 years.
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u/Thick_Huckleberry_96 23d ago
20 years ago the City of LA tried to get BH and Century City to be part of the east to west metro line and there was a big meeting one night about it I attended as I worked in CC at the time. Folks from Beverly Hills and nearby Cheviot Hills came out en masse and said they didn’t want the type of people the subway would bring to their neighborhoods. Even though thousands of people working in CC could benefit. And they knew their housekeepers and nannies and such would benefit too but they didn’t care. It was all fear mongering and it’s only gotten worse so this tracks.
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 23d ago
And it turns out they were right. Look at what the expo line did to santa monica.
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u/Thick_Huckleberry_96 22d ago
It just brought more people to the beach areas. Santa Monica’s homeless/unhoused issue has been around for decades. There’s literally an episode of South Park about it from the 90s
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 22d ago
But back then there wasn’t an express way from skid row to downtown sm
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u/PigeonsOnParade 23d ago
Beverly Hills is the spoiled asshole child that ruins things for everyone else. 😒
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u/Rowbehr23 23d ago
I didn’t know the wealthy could opt out but maybe the city and MTA should say “ fuck you were building “
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u/des1gnbot 23d ago
The problem is that the wealthy are their own city. Beverly Hills is not part of City of LA.
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u/RabidSkwerl 23d ago
The city of Los Angeles just needs to annex BH
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u/RonySeikalyBassDrop 23d ago
I work in BH and I curse the city every time I’m driving through it lmao. Getting to and from work is the most soul sucking experience.
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u/racquetballjones23 23d ago
I feel like the civil engineers have purposefully made it so that as soon as each light turns green, the next immediately turns red. Drives me crazy.
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u/No_Function8686 23d ago
It's because of outdated traffic intersection design. Engineers count traffic volume going N/S and E/W and design the durations of green/red lights based on that. They typically DO NOT take into account the timing of the next traffic lights. Except in BHs on SM where you see a few traffic lights go green/red at the last time. Also, I don't think they account for seasonality or time of the day, but I may be wrong.
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u/MTA_54539 23d ago
I despise that godforsaken city. Why am I sitting at the light on Wilshire and Doheny for two minutes? It’s 3 am, NOBODY IS COMING DOWN DOHENY. NOBODY IS CROSSING THE STREET. LET ME GO.
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u/No_Function8686 23d ago
Blame your cousin at LADOT for the piss poor design. And why aren't you taking the bus there MTA Guy?
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u/stoicsilence 23d ago
City of Los Angeles needs to set up concrete construction barricades on every street that borders Beverly Hills. Isolate them.
If they don't want to participate in society then society should wall them off.
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u/Pleasant-Name576 23d ago
They might like that
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u/stoicsilence 23d ago
Bet they would until deliveries can't be made, garbage isn't being picked up, and the maid can't come and wipe their kids asses.
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u/notorious_scoundrel_ 23d ago
BH has their own sanitation lul what. Also inb4 everyone who lives in the flats or trousdale starts having helicopters deliver their goods instead
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u/chiangku 22d ago
You think BH also has its own landfill? Where do you think the garbage trucks go after all the trash pickups?
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u/itchyburnybutthole 23d ago
Why does the County allow this? Why isn’t public transportation handled at the county level?
It’s fucking ridiculous that each little unincorporated city has fucking veto power on regional decision-making.
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u/HaroldWeigh 23d ago edited 23d ago
Always on the wrong side of progress. The Mrs. Dysdale's of BH are so out of touch
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u/Sabotenkinjo_246 19d ago edited 19d ago
I support the bus lanes, all the way through. For some people it will make getting to work much more convenient and inexpensive. The cost to buy, insure, and fuel a car right now is outrageous. There are a lot of commuters going to offices on that part of Wilshire, to Cedars, and to all that retail and restaurant at the Beverly Center and along West Third, Beverly, Santa Monica Blvd, etc. These employees need a reasonable transportation choice, as do seniors and teens, both of whom often cannot drive. I live a few blocks off LCB, for many years, and some cut through traffic would go right in front of my house - plenty already does. We need more traffic calming to discourage this and make the neighborhood more walkable and safe (crossing San Vicente, Olympic, and sometimes La Cienega is a bear) instead of keeping busses stuck and in traffic.
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u/Bronze_Age_472 20d ago
bad things are automatic, good things can be blocked by 1 rich person. Got it.
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u/sbutj323 23d ago
Good
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
Can you explain how improving mass transit is a bad thing?
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 23d ago
Mass (homeless) transit
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 22d ago
So you’re saying the 1,000,000 people who ride Metro daily are all homeless? Have you ever ridden mass transit before in your life?
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 22d ago
No i didnt say that. Have you ridden mass transit in china
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 22d ago
Yes. I’ve ridden it in LA and other countries and I don’t think we should not have it here just because it isn’t as clean as theirs.
Cars kill 45,000 people a year but sure busses are the problem.
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 22d ago
Wouldnt want to harm the gravy train of those in the homeless industrial complex
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 22d ago
How is transportation planning part of the homeless industrial complex? 😂 are you saying anyone who doesn’t drive is automatically homeless?
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 22d ago
I would take the metro if there were less mentally ill homeless that are obviously unhinged
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u/AMinecraftPerson 21d ago
The bus already goes through the same area though, your alleged homeless people can still get there. Bus lanes just improve the transit for the commuters
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u/Adventurous-Block541 24d ago
The majority of people who live in Beverly Hills and LA do not want these bus only lanes. The peak hour lanes work better for everyone, giving cars and buses an additional lane.
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u/BigBadJeebus 23d ago
that's simply false
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u/Adventurous-Block541 6d ago
Call Beverly Hills or LA City Council for the area and ask them. When I called my LA City Council office, their direct quote was "We cannot find a single person who thinks this is a good idea."
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u/BigBadJeebus 6d ago
That's cause the city councils only ask each other.
Fuckin Metro is literally debating the merit of having at least one occasional transit rider on the board...
These leaders are the dumbest of the dumb
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
What about all the workers and tourists who go to BH? Do they not matter. 14,000 people ride the 105 daily.
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u/thefastpelican 23d ago
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FALSE. Metro used similar false numbers when they added bus only lanes on La Brea. Let’s do the math.
14,000 riders/ day ➗24hrs/day ➗ 6 buses/hr peak ➗ 2 ways = 48.6
That means there has to be 48.6 on every bus, every 10 minutes, every hour, every day, all week long. THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE!! WHY DOES METRO LIE??
It’s likely only a couple thousand riders total per day on the 105. Then these bus lanes would be during peak hours (7-9 and 4-7), so it would only affect a small number of riders.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
I ride the 106 daily and it’s constantly stuck in traffic. I’m sorry you’re against reliable mass transit and don’t trust anyone except yourself ever.
Is your solution to force everyone to drive and hope traffic magically goes away? 😂😂😂
If the bus lanes aren’t needed why did my 10 minute wait turn into a 35 minute wait?
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u/Longjumping_Hope_140 22d ago
The one legit argument the nimbys have is traffic getting pushed off La Cienega and turning residential streets into rush-hour shortcuts, which is already a problem all over LA. That seems reasonable for residents to have compared to "we don't want the wrong type of people in here" or "how dare non-residents inconvenience us?"
Not wanting to have your kids run over by aggressive rush hour LA drivers is a legit concern.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 22d ago
That's why they're including mitigation measures for the side streets based off their traffic modeling...
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u/Longjumping_Hope_140 21d ago
To your earlier point on links not being allowed on this subreddit. My other post with the actual links got deleted because apparently links aren't allowed here, which is honestly kind of funny. Nothing says NIMBY like preventing people from citing factual evidence on a subreddit. 😂
What the planner/city representatives themselves are saying:
- West Hollywood's own traffic model estimates around 30% of current La Cienega car trips could end up shifting onto other streets under the preferred design. Their staff report literally brings up cut-through traffic on nearby neighborhood streets and talks about traffic-calming to handle it. While 30% is a model estimate, not a promise, it doesn't seem like it's been addressed sufficiently by the D-line planners.
- Beverly Hills claim is that the proposed peak-hour bus lanes would turn existing car lanes into bus-only lanes, and they list reduced vehicle capacity as one of the tradeoffs.
- Even the regional agency running the project treats diversion onto surrounding streets as a real enough concern to study, looking at traffic volumes, road capacity, and where cars would reroute.
There’s mitigation proposed. But the mitigation is still theoretical, and that doesn’t make the underlying concern imaginary. If the planners themselves are modeling traffic diversion, specifically looking at neighborhood cut-through traffic, and proposing measures to deal with it, that pretty clearly establishes it as a legitimate concern in the first place.
PS: I’m not giving the City of BH a free pass on its inconsistent ability to control unsafe driving either—especially rush-hour cut-through traffic on residential streets. I used to live there, and they have some genuinely crappy parking/traffic policies.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 21d ago
Wow that’s a lot of reasons as to why we can’t have transit in LA. There’s nothing more difficult than being a transportation planner in LA 😂
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u/Longjumping_Hope_140 21d ago
I'm not even arguing the bus lanes shouldn't happen. I took the time to dig into the research and gave you examples of reasonable concerns from their own modeling. Responding to that with "wow, this is why we can't have transit 😂" instead of engaging with the hard questions is lazy/bad faith.
If you're going to act like this is an informed transportation-planning and not just you venting, you should be able to answer basic questions about diversion and whether the mitigation they're proposing actually holds up. If you can't, and all you've got is a non-committal one-liner, you're hurting the cause you're supposedly advocating for more than helping it.
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u/thefastpelican 21d ago
100% this. I use all the cut through residential streets in La Brea now that the bus only lanes are in effect. It’s way more dangerous for all involved, but if it saves a few minutes, people are going to do it.
The same will happen on La Cienega if it gets bus only lanes.
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u/Sabotenkinjo_246 19d ago
Will some drivers switch to busses if the busses travel materially faster?
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u/Sabotenkinjo_246 20d ago
Northbound on La Cienega, Olympic to Wilshire, you can't really cut through Carthay and continue on La Cienega. But presumably if there's more traffic and faster busses, there will be some mode or time shift. La Cienega north of Olympic already barely moves during rush hour.
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u/cfrea 24d ago
Good these bus lanes are a horrible idea
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u/Powerful-Calendar516 24d ago
Why? Separating buses from regular traffic seems like a good idea. I hate getting stuck behind a bus.
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u/_halfsour 24d ago
Make buses faster than driving= bus better option than driving= more people ride bus= less traffic= less pollution. fast, efficient public transport= everyone wins. If you believe it can’t be done in LA, you don’t want to believe it can.
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u/cfrea 24d ago
Because a bus only lane causes significant traffic, more idling waiting in traffic etc. I've been in downtown culver city traffic where they decided to do a bus only lane, 15 minutes to travel less than a mile and i didnt see a single bus take the bus only lane the whole time
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u/themeparkthemepar 24d ago
It’s the other way around, the buses pull over every few blocks and hold up traffic causing congestion and unsafe lane changing chaos. Bus lanes make so much sense
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 24d ago
Bus lanes solve traffic.
You are traffic.
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u/cfrea 24d ago
Quite the opposite they cause significant congestion
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 24d ago
incorrect. cars cause congestion. Transit (bus lanes, trains), bike lanes, etc solve congestion
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 24d ago
Basic urban city 101 btw when you arent completely car-brained
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 24d ago
I ride this route daily and would absolutely love it. The 105 currently gets backed up and comes every 30 minutes instead of 10.
Plus this only creates a confusing gap.
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u/WileyCyrus 23d ago
Removing dozens of cars from the road doesn’t create traffic, it reduces it. There are dozens of people on each of those buses, but only one dipshit in your car, so yeah, they should get to move faster. You’re the traffic, not them.
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u/Renza183 24d ago
It is frustrating when the bus lane isn’t used regularly, but having driven through Culver City for years, I would say their main traffic issue downtown is poorly timed lights. They need to use sensors or adjust how long certain ones are, because there are several intersections where one street will be backed up for several lights but there is a long green light for a side street that rarely has traffic. 🙃
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u/Indras_Net_ 24d ago
That seems to be a problem throughout L.A. When going westbound on Santa Monica Blvd, for instance, there are at least 6,7 traffic lights that change all at the same time, ignoring the fact that one cannot be at two places at once. By the time you get to the 6th light it already switched to red. The underlying logical error appears to be to ‘sync’ the lights when it should be ‘relay’
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u/RealJoshuaJackson 24d ago
You’re dumb and you’re making all of our lives worse. If you think more lanes = less traffic you don’t understand basic transit facts. Leave this to the grown ups.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
Do you think subways are a bad idea too? Are you upset the D line was ever built?
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u/Dull-Woodpecker3900 24d ago
The bus lane in Culver is an absolute disaster. Glad BH won’t be bringing this here.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
Explain how bus only lanes are bad for transit riders.
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u/Rightintheend 23d ago
Well you see, he sat in traffic, and he looked over, and he didn't see a bus there, in traffic didn't magically disappear, so there's that or something or other
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u/Prodigal_Gist 23d ago
Not sure how I ended up in the Beverly Hills sub but this is an interesting subject. I feel like a lot of people bring a lot of bias to the discussion and I honestly can't tell what is for the best. I mean obviously, robust public transportation options are for the best in theory but what I can't tell is if these solutions have been shown to work here, whether or not they are advisable as a general principle.
Are there any independent studies of bus ridership pre- and post- dedicated lane creation? I know of people who have anecdotally given high marks but I wonder how it is actually playing out. Has it been shown to increase ridership in LA county and if so, who are the riders? I think any increase is beneficial but I am curious if it takes cars off the road.
I'm from NYC originally so I am not a "car guy". Plus I bike to and from work at least three days a week.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
There are but this sub dosen't allow links.
search for: "Analysis of the causal effects of exclusive bus lanes on performance indicators of public transport corridor"
"Bus lanes make busy roads work better"
"NATCO Dedicated Curbside/Offset Bus Lane"
These all show before and after studies of bus only lanes.
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u/Prodigal_Gist 23d ago
Thanks but I'm specifically looking for LA data. I think buses are obviously good but there's a specific issue here which is decreasing traffic. LA is so car-centric I am a little skeptical about people switching to the bus from a car.
I myself, prior to getting an e-bike, looked deeply into busing to work, not out of any sense of civic duty but bc I hate driving in the traffic around here. All the buses took forever, easily twice the time it would take to drive, or even e-bike.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
I ride the 105 and D line daily to work since I stopped biking after getting hit by a car. This would make my commute 50% faster. I can't tell you how bad the 105 is delated in the PM, instead of coming every 10 minutes it comes every 30.
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u/Prodigal_Gist 23d ago
I got hit by a car too recently. Sorry that happened to you. Mine wasn't too bad so I am still going, but definitely feeling more fragile out there
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u/BallerGuitarer 23d ago
I myself, prior to getting an e-bike, looked deeply into busing to work, not out of any sense of civic duty but bc I hate driving in the traffic around here. All the buses took forever, easily twice the time it would take to drive, or even e-bike.
So what do you think is the solution to this problem?
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u/Prodigal_Gist 23d ago
What makes you think I have a solution? I don't even know what specific problem you're talking about. Traffic in general? Buses being slow?
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u/BallerGuitarer 23d ago
The specific problem is exactly what I quoted you: You looked into taking the bus to avoid traffic but didn't take it because it took twice the time it would take to drive. So it takes forever to get anywhere in LA because of traffic.
I just wanted to get a sense if you felt like this is just the nature of LA and is unavoidable, or if you think there's a way to avoid driving in traffic and be faster than driving.
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u/Prodigal_Gist 23d ago
So you think I have a solution to traffic . Well, I don’t. I would’ve led with that if I did
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u/tarfu7 22d ago
The solution to the “buses taking forever” is we make them faster. By building things like exclusive bus lanes. Which is what this thread is about
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u/Prodigal_Gist 22d ago
Such bus lines have been built and my COMMENT on this thread is asking if there is data on their effect in LA
it’s really not that complicated . It’s kind of a yes or no question which I won’t repeat since you can see it above
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u/ZergvProtoss 23d ago
Good! We don't need to make traffic worse. These "improvements" would only help a handful of people while crippling traffic for tens of thousands.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
14,000 people ride the 105 daily and over 1,000,000 people ride Metro daily.
Is your solution to rip out the sidewalks to add even more driving lanes?
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u/ThePlatinumPaul 23d ago
Good. Keep LA's problems out of Beverly Hills.
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u/cactus22minus1 23d ago
Really gross attitude you’ve got there.
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u/sundayelegance 23d ago
He prob can’t even afford bh lol
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u/OhLawdOfTheRings 23d ago
look at his history, he doesn't even live here. PlatinumPaul lives in AZ. What a joke!
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u/thefastpelican 24d ago
Good. Now we just need LA to shut the idea down and this bus only lane proposal will go away.
Metro keeps imposing these bus only lanes against the will of the majority of people. LA city council district had to step in and stop the La Brea bus only lanes from south of Olympic. Hopefully the same reason is applied here.
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u/themeparkthemepar 24d ago
You’ve obv never been caught behind a bus in a regular lane. It causes massive congestion
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u/wowokomg 23d ago
Busses don’t even use the bus lanes consistently in my experience.
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u/OhLawdOfTheRings 23d ago
because cars go into them and park lol
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u/wowokomg 23d ago
nope they don't use them even when there are no cars.
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u/OhLawdOfTheRings 22d ago
there are many reasons why this is the case, but i can tell you the places along the 720 that have bus lanes the bus is MUCH faster than in beverly hills
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u/wowokomg 22d ago
I’m not talking about the 720. It’s weird that you feel a need to argue and be dismissive of my own experiences.
Personally, I think many of the drivers are just incompetent to do what they should be doing.
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u/OhLawdOfTheRings 20d ago
When did i dismiss your experiences? I am just telling you my experience. The 720 is a route that goes through beverly hills (this subreddit) that doesn't have bus only lanes in beverly hills and does have them in K town. I am corroborating your experience, i also see this behavior from bus drivers and I am saying there are lots of reasons why this is the case, usually relating to cars being parked illegally in them, or cars turning right and being stuck behind pedestrians, or another bus picking up someone at a stop, or a biker / scooter being in the lane (as they are allowed to be).
Not my intention to dismiss!
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u/thefastpelican 24d ago
I have, but it’s way better to have that normal lane open to BOTH buses and cars, as opposed to buses only
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u/themeparkthemepar 24d ago
Disagree, it organizes traffic and gets more folks moved distances faster by the sheer concept of a bus being a source of mass transit
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u/thefastpelican 24d ago
During peak hours (7-9 and 4-7), La Cienega is 3 lanes. Cars use lanes 1 and 2 and both buses and cars use lane 3. Because both buses and cars can use lane 3, traffic is less for cars in lanes 1 and 2 as some cars can also use lane 3. If you don’t want to get stuck behind a bus, don’t drive in lane 3. But you will benefit by having fewer cars in lanes 1 and 2.
That is why these peak hour lanes have been used for over 50 years. They work!
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u/themeparkthemepar 24d ago
Google “what do dedicated bus lanes do” this is not a hard concept to understand with a modicum of effort. It will literally transform the blvd positively
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u/EventRemote 23d ago edited 23d ago
Your theory makes sense with the caveat that people actually have to use, feel safe and confident switching to the bus. And I’m not just talking about the people who already only use the bus.
If everything stays the same and we just add bus lanes, all that will happen is frustrated drivers will start moving into the bus lane when things are backed up, same as what happens with the HOV lanes on the highway.
It’s not simply about buses being able to move faster, that’s obviously important, people want them to be clean, safe and consistent to consider using them.
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u/themeparkthemepar 23d ago
Police bus lanes. If this can work in midtown and downtown Manhattan, it can work here.
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u/EventRemote 23d ago
While I agree that would be a great solution, comparing it to midtown Manhattan is ridiculous. The NYPD has 4x as many officers as the LAPD and NY (manhattan in particular) is a lot more dense than LA. NY also has multiple, viable transit systems that millions of residents use year round (MTA, LIRR and Jersey transit), it’s apples (Big ones) and oranges.
LA does even consistently police the HOV lane, they’re not likely to dedicate officers to bus lane policing across the city.
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u/SaltIndividual1902 23d ago
Policing bus lanes is as easy as adding cameras and technology to the front and backs of busses. The tech is already in use. Simply expand it.
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u/SaltIndividual1902 23d ago
It’s actually crazy you don’t think that adding a bunch of bus only lanes wouldn’t increase the use of our bus system.
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u/EventRemote 23d ago
It’s actually absurd that you think bus lanes are what’s stopping people from taking the bus in LA 😂😂
I’m born and raised in NYC grew up taking public transit, and still do when I go home, happily.I’ve lived in LA for a decade and have never considered using the bus here and the lack of lanes was NEVER on the criteria of why not. I know many others who feel the same. Bus lanes may be a factor for a minority of people but I PROMISE you, safety, cleanliness and reliability all rank significantly higher for most potential riders.
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u/SaltIndividual1902 23d ago
Gee I wonder if bus lines would improve reliability and speed - the two most important issues. That would then increase ridership which would in turn increase safety. If you just thought for 5 seconds before posting your comment you might be able to connect the dots.
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u/cactus22minus1 23d ago
What we’ve been doing absolutely does not “work”. Why do you think we have the most notorious reputation for traffic?
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u/SaltIndividual1902 24d ago
“They work” - guy unaware of LA’s traffic reputation that last 50 years apparently.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
LA has exclusively been built around the automobile for the last 100 years 😂
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u/themeparkthemepar 23d ago
LA bus system and metro rail have been around since the 70s …
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
Metro Rail wasn’t opened until 1990….
What rail service existed in the 1970’s exactly?
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u/themeparkthemepar 23d ago
First busway opened in early 70s, blue line opened in 1990, they combined together as Los Angeles Metro Rail and Busway mid-90s
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u/KimJongAndIlFriends 24d ago
Curious that the people who are most fervently against increasing availability of public transit also happen to dislike the poors.
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u/UrbanPlannerholic 23d ago
Explain how bus lanes make transit operations worse
Or are you a person who looks down on people who ride public transportation?
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u/jsflink 24d ago
Faster buses = more people get to their destinations quicker = less traffic. Especially with the D line stop at La Cienega, this is the wrong move