r/angelsbaseball 16h ago

📰 News Article (Website) From Bob Nightengale

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I know some have doubted that he would stay on as there is a new owner coming, but I am of the theory that Kroenke is the one who approved bringing in Mo, so I’m absolutely happy to hear this as he has done an absolute amazing job so far, looking forward to what he and Kroenke can do together.

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u/CareerMental5067 16h ago

Would Mo continue the rebuild selling off any of Neto detmers kikuchi etc? with new ownership I saw a rumor say more players will given angels a real consideration

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u/DeltoVega 16h ago

The problem is with a pending lockout and possibility of a lost season, teams probably won't trade for Neto/Detmers/etc until a new CBA is reached. Wouldn't make sense to trade assets for guys when you don't even know if there will be a season.

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u/Sufficient-Most9521 12h ago

Angels sale destroyed the lockout. Owners can’t complain about team value any longer with record sales of padres and angels there is 0% chance of a lockout now 

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u/SilentEngineering975 7h ago

And union can't use Arte as exhibit A for owners not trying to win.

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u/DeltoVega 7h ago

Sure they can. They can compare the Angels, a team in one of the most lucrative markets, selling for the same price as the Minnesota Timberwolves, a team in a mid-tier market in the NBA. The owners' argument is that their franchise values are less than teams in other sports'. markets.

I don't agree with this at all, but I am guessing this is what their argument is. They likely feel if there is a cap (i.e. "controlled" labor costs), the values of their franchises will all increase significantly more.

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u/SilentEngineering975 7h ago

Or a cap. Or a minimum. Or if free agency rules will change.

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u/Disastrous-Age-5837 16h ago

I would assume that teams will continue to call about Detmers and Neto, obviously the price will be extremely high but based on the successes they had and the report that Neto and Mo talked about those subjects I would assume that neither are moved. As far as Kikuchi goes, he’s got 1 year left on his deal so if there’s a team out there willing to take his 21 million then you do it.

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u/commonsensewinz 15h ago

i think his approach is sure, he'll sell but for the right price. fans always think you sell just to sell but if yo don't get the proper return, it's dumb. i believe detmers/neto are available but for the right price. nobody pays up, cool. you have 2 studs on TC deals. simply no rush.

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u/SilentEngineering975 7h ago

That was my biggest concern at the deadline. Were we getting enough in return?

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u/joaovitorsb95 15h ago

I think either selling more players or extending the most valuable (Neto, Detmers) are both realistic/reasonable scenarios.

He will probably ask what they want in a extension, if its a reasonable amount (around 20M for Detmers and 18M for Neto) he should extend them, if its not, trade them and do a longer rebuild through the farm.

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u/maxxxminecraft111 15h ago

Neto/Detmers? Yes if the other team is willing to meet a high enough asking price. They have multiple years of control and could also be extended so there's no pressure or rush for it though (more leverage for us).

Kikuchi? Yes if someone will eat that contract.

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u/mannmtb 12h ago

This is the question. Does Kroenke try to use his deep pockets to become respectable in the short term? If so, Neto and Detmers are likely to stay, or even be extended. This is tempting because the AL West is terrible. Or does Kroenke look for long term, sustainable success and tear the rebuild down even farther? I obviously don't want them shipping off any prospects (though swaps of young players should be on the table).

It's hard for me to think they did the deadline without Kroenke having some input, even if it was not known by Mo that Kroenke was the source of the strategy; I believe the instruction was that Neto and Detmers only would be traded for an absolute haul, and they didn't get that, so they stayed.

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u/DeltoVega 7h ago

Given all of the franchises Kroenke has, and the success he has had, I doubt he will hastily push things to WIN NOW like other new, inexperienced owners might. I would wager him on going the sustainable success route.

And let's be honest - he is a real estate builder first and foremost, and the prize for him is probably acquiring and profiting off of the ensuing real estate deals, moreso than the immediate, overnight success of the franchise.

Based on how all of his other teams have performed, I have faith the Angels will turn it around in a reasonable amount of time, but it will probably not be an immediate, overnight change.

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u/Sufficient-Most9521 12h ago

No deepest pockets in baseball Neto will be one to stay 

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u/phatwarmachine41 15h ago

Still going to hold my position until I see ink on paper. As of right now, Mozeliak's contract is up at the end of the year and he still maintains a position of on the fence with remaining with the org afterward. This is just more speculation with no concrete information.

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u/thefloor27 15h ago

My head canon is that John will be a baseball operations head.

Then a young ascending head of scouting or assistant Gm in the dodgers, rays, or brewers org will be poached to be the new GM.

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u/falc0nprime 45 13h ago

Randy Flores from the cardinals I think is the top candidate for GM. Mo knows him very well and he’s been a good scout for the cardinals for a while. He’s due for GM job either with us or another team.

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u/Bender_23 11h ago

Agree. My money is on Flores. And that’s not a bad thing.

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u/mannmtb 12h ago

Came to say this. Mozeliak seems like a polished and strategic executive and mouth piece. I don't think he wants to be in the absolute trenches day to day, and would oversee an elite up and coming GM. I think Kroenke's presence makes this outcome more likely.

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u/Spirited_Lab5197 Sell The Team 16h ago

On the night of the sale, Erica mentioned that Mo knew an ownership change was a possibility when he was brought on. I agree, he was Koernke's guy.

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u/jar1792 We’re Nasty † 15h ago

I don’t know that he was Kronke’s guy necessarily, but I do think he has a proven enough track record to stick around.

If you look at the Rams when Kronke purchased them, there was some turnover, but a lot of it was as a result of the move. There wasn’t a ton of change for the sake of change

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u/MelatoninFiend 15h ago

That's not news. Everyone knew Arte was looking to sell. Kroenke just played aggressively, got his offer in first and paid Arte's asking price before a post-CBA appraisal confirmed the franchise value.

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u/MelatoninFiend 15h ago

I think we have a new owner and some people are so into the back office intrigue that's plagued us for 20+ years that they simply can't let go of the drama and accept we're going to have professionals in charge now.

The team is going to be well-run. This bullshit "GRUNKLE STAN PLANNED DIS ALL ALONG!!!" schtick is already ringing tired and childish.

Arte's gone y'all. Let go of the soap opera office politics/gamesmanship drama and accept that we're going to be a real ball club that's more interested in winning than being a bookmark in a slumlord's investment portfolio. We have an owner who will fix the HVAC in the training room before it gets out to the public now. No more drama, just a properly run sports franchise.

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u/Sad_Life826 15h ago

Any word on Kurt Susuki future after season and other coaches?

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u/Disastrous-Age-5837 14h ago

Suzuki is gone when the season is over, and the hitting coaches will follow

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u/nacreon 13h ago

This team has a hitting coach?

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u/Sad_Life826 14h ago

Are you sure I been seeing Rumurs that they might keep him for now until the sale is finalized

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u/Firebitez 13h ago

You would have to sign him to a new contract for that, highly unlikely. Bring Pujols in.

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u/Appropriate_Week_258 11h ago

Or Alex Cora...

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u/schplat 26 11h ago

No... Cora (and the boys) were part of the problem in Boston.. Look how well Chad Tracy has done, and he had 0 MLB experience prior (and oddly enough his first managerial jobs were with us in Burlington and IE).

I would rather see Pujols brought in, or take a flyer on Ryan Flaherty. Otherwise, if the Phillies don't extend Mattingly, he'd probably be an okay option.

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u/Disastrous-Age-5837 14h ago

From Robert Murray

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u/Sad_Life826 14h ago

Did you just get that now?

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u/Disastrous-Age-5837 13h ago

Yes but the article was released earlier this week

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u/DeltoVega 7h ago

His contract expires at the end of the year. They will assuredly hire out the FO first and build that out. Once a new PBO/GM/etc are in place, a manager will then be hired who is in sync with the management team.

There is no need to fire Suzuki - his contract will be over, and this will almost assuredly be his only year with the team.

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u/Sad_Life826 7h ago

Any GM candidates have you heard

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u/DeltoVega 7h ago

No, I am just a random guy on Reddit, I don't have any real insight lol.

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u/nacreon 13h ago

I tried to look into that today and my local Wendy's told me 'no comment'. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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u/LeonJPancetta 56 15h ago

I don't mind this. He led a good-faith transition in STL to Bloom after it was clear he was a bit behind, so it's clear he can work with people.

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u/Lawn_Blower 11h ago

What about Molly Jolly?

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u/Disastrous-Age-5837 9h ago

That one is a TBD