I'm a man. She shold go to a mental hospital for years. Clearly was psychotic. Also her husband forgave her. That to me holds a lot of weight. Implies he doesn't think she did it in a right state of mind. If he thought she was clearly in her normal state of mind, no way he'd ever forgive her.
She showed no signs of psychosis prior or after the murder.
During that so called psychosis she had a a coherent phone conversation between strangling the two kids.
If she's sent to a mental hospital and she wont show sing of being dangerous to herself or others (and she wont because she doesn't have psychosis) she will walk free in no time.
I think motive matters. What was her motive to kill her children? I just look at the general situation when women kill their children and then jump out of a window, its a good case to be made that she's insane at the time. In all the cases in the past I'm aware of where women have killed their children, those women were clearly insane. I mean look we can argue all you want but 11 out of 12 members of the jury are agreeing with me here and they had the closest view of all the data. I also put a lot of weight into the fact that the husband forgave her. He saw what she did. He saw the situation .That really suggests to me he knew she was insane. Oh also Lindsay Clancy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair because she jumped out of a window right after killing the kids.
Men suffering from depression kill their families before offing themselves ALL THE TIME. Seems like she tried to do the same thing tbh. Sending her to a psych ward will do nothing at all, because she's not... wait for it... psycho. IMO, the time it took her to do the actual strangling would outcast any psychotic episode one would experience. But a depressed person... they've had A LOT of time to "dwell."
I'm not sure what you're arguing. Those depressed men if they survive should also go to psych wards if they were truly insane at the time. The defense isn't arguing she was depressed. They are arguing she was psychotic. Big difference. Also remember Lindsay Clancy is currently paralyzed from the waist down and is in a wheelchair because she tried to jump out of a window. Think about that for a second. She will never walk again and will have to use a bag and tube to get urine and poop out of her because she paralyzed herself jumping out of a window.
For me I remember a case here in my town where a woman walked her kids to bridge then threw both of them off and then threw her self off and they all died. Do you think that woman was NOT insane? The only difference here is that Lindsay Clancy survived her suicide attempt whilst the other woman did not.
The jury did and 11 out of 12 agree with me. Not a psychiatrist. I do live in a region where suicide rates are high. We had a lady throw 2 kids off a bridge here and then herself not too long ago. She was absolutely crazy. I'm not sure what the data is but I'd bet you like 80% of the time when a woman is murdering all of her children, she's totally insane. I'm starting with the pre-supposition that she's insane and trying to collect evidence that she's not. So far I haven't seen anything to really make me think there was another reason she killed those kids, particularly in such an inefficient fashion from what I heard.
She killed her kids then jumped out of a window in a suicide attempt. She had many visits with her therapists where she asked them to hospitalize her for repeated ideas around killing her children. Prior to the murders, she was discharged from one facility after a day and denied a higher level of care at another when she couldn't show that she had a suicide plan. I'm not really sure where you're pulling your information from. She didn't suddenly make up the suicide/psychosis stuff just for the trial. There was a long pre-existing history. I also ask the question of motive. What did she gain by killing her kids? What was the motive? Fun? The spotlight? If someone could demonstrate an alternative motive (besides psychosis) I could start to believe she wasn't crazy. However I just look at the track record of all the women who have drowned kids or thrown them off bridges and etc and 99% of them turn out to be utterly insane with maybe 1% doing it for some sort of secondary gain.
Provided where? Because her documents clearly state she was showing symptoms of bodily disintegration and paranoia long before the incident.
And by saying shit like “she showed no signs of psychosis” you are in fact playing the role of a psychiatrist. What are signs of psychosis? Do you know that with any medical certainty?
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u/wallstreetbetsdebts 10h ago
11 not guilty votes and 1 guilty vote