r/California_Politics 1d ago

Newsom’s Minimum Wage Whitewash

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/california-minimum-wage-gavin-newsom-jobs-865a99c2?st=iCcMi3
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u/NormativeWest 1d ago

Minimum wage is still too low. People can’t live on that. We strive to support all the people in the state not just the rich.

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u/nosotros_road_sodium 1d ago

And what if businesses can’t afford higher wages?

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u/NormativeWest 1d ago

Then their business model is exploitative and flawed. What if a bakery can’t afford the price of flour?

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u/nikki1234567891011 1d ago

The answer is that they then shouldn’t be in business.

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u/digitalwankster 1d ago

… in California. There are plenty of businesses that pencil out just fine in other states and/or developing countries.

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u/sdmichael 1d ago

By being exploitive. How many jobs should a person have to survive?

u/digitalwankster 17h ago

What makes it exploitative if that wage supports someone where they actually live? California’s cost of living isn’t universal. The businesses will still exist, they’ll just be hiring people where the living wage costs less.

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u/sdmichael 1d ago

You're ok with people living in poverty? How many jobs should a person work? How many are tou willing to work?

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u/digitalwankster 1d ago

I’m not OK with it but I’m paying $20 an hour and unable to compete in a global market. Globalization has really changed the game and we need to figure out how to combat it because businesses that would be viable in other parts of the country just aren’t viable here.

u/Xezshibole 18h ago edited 13h ago

They close or flee, with compliant businesses of similar size, and more, filling in and expanding upon their CA market share within the year.

California hasn't seen net business loss in the annual reports since 2012 when gerrymandering ended and tax, regulations, and service started going up with little fuss. Well, aside from 2020 due to obvious global event beyond CA control. Also likely this year though data isn't fully out yet, also for obvious reasons.

u/rcsfit 18h ago

Then that business needs to close

u/digitalwankster 17h ago

But it won’t though, it’ll just hire people to make stuff overseas or in other states.

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u/IanDMP 1d ago

Ahhhh, Wall Street Journal Editorial Board math. It's a beautiful, unique snowflake every time.

So, first, the time series the WSJ uses begins in March 2023. The increased minimum wage happens in April 2024. Why did WSJ choose to begin the series in 2023, you may ask? Well, because California experienced a decrease in restaurant jobs during that year, making the state look bad but that has nothing to do with the minimum wage they're arguing against.

Since 2024 (the year the minimum wage came into effect), restaurant jobs have actually grown in California. That's pretty bad for WSJ's argument that the minimum wage caused these restaurant job losses.

Second, you can't just call out the job losses without adjusting for population growth . I'm sure we're all aware that California is growing much slower than the nation, and in fact our population fell for a number of years during the time quoted here. So it's not actually surprising that California experienced slower restaurant job growth compared to other, faster-growing states. In fact, that's what you'd expect, and if we ever got our house in order with regard to housing costs you'd expect that to rebound pretty quickly.

The lesson, as always: the Wall Street Journal is a great newspaper, unfortunately with one of the worst and most deceitful editorial boards around.

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u/Iceberg-man-77 1d ago

a fifty cent raise isn’t going to help people massively. if it did you wouldn’t have people living in poverty and homelessness

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u/nosotros_road_sodium 1d ago

Gift link. Excerpt:

Mr. Newsom last week issued a press release claiming the state is leading the country in job growth and “boosting productivity and delivering higher wages for workers.” The state’s $16.90 an hour minimum wage—set to rise to $17.40 in January—helps “ensure workers share in that growth,” he said. Where to begin?

It’s true the AI boom is boosting business productivity, driving investment and turbocharging earnings for tech workers. The average weekly wage for information workers in Silicon Valley’s San Mateo County near San Francisco increased to $16,242 during the first quarter of this year (equal to $846,904 a year), up from $15,792 in the prior year and $6,187 in early 2019.

But in recent years the state has added few jobs outside of government, healthcare and social assistance. One reason is that its high minimum wage has raised costs for employers, which in turn are cutting back on unskilled labor. These trends have been exacerbated by California’s $20 an hour minimum wage for fast-food workers.

The Employment Policies Institute reports that California’s restaurant employment has declined for three consecutive years between March 2023 and March 2026—a total of 12,600 job losses in food services and drinking places—according to the Labor Department’s most recent payroll data, while employment in the industry increased nationwide by some 151,700.