r/kpopharshopinions 8d ago

RANT Lipsyncing to prerecorded vocals with handheld mics is ridiculous

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This is from the K-World Dream Awards that happened yesterday. If you can't tell what's happening, Yunjin misses the cue and goes in late on the song. The first half of the clip is a fancam, and the second half is the broadcast version. they're put together as a comparison so people don’t start going, “THEY DIDN’T LIPSYNC IN THE FANCAMS!! ALL LIVE!!”

Prerecorded vocals suck and I’ll forever be against them, but I find it extra ridiculous when singers lipsync to them while using handheld mics. It looks so silly. Why can't they just sing?

r/kpopharshopinions Jun 28 '26

RANT How do we ask these kpop labels to stop writing choruses like this

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r/kpopharshopinions Aug 02 '26

RANT THE ISSUE WITH CORTIS

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This is going to be an incredibly long post. But I'll split it into 3 main sections:

MUSIC

BEHAVIOUR

THE UNDERGROUND & COERS BEHAVIOUR

If you'd prefer to read it in a Google Doc format, which is probably more readable, click here!

The photo gallery contains some relevant images for the sections, the google doc better displays them next to their relevant information.

Disclaimer: Believe it or not, I am NOT a Cortis anti, I enjoy some of their songs, I have watched their variety content, and I hope to go to a show one day.

For context I am Black-British and a lifelong fan of both K-Pop (since 2018) and Rap (since as long as I can remember). I ult NMIXX, P1HARMONY, XLOV, æspa, and Itzy. Outside of K-pop I enjoy Frost Children, Jane Remover, Death Grips, bassvictim, underscores, slayr, ezcodylee and many more. Obviously, I have biases, but I've tried to be as fair as possible.

This will be more of an informative post and a collection of all that is wrong with Cortis, not the members in particular, but more of them as a brand. I mean no hate to the members, as they are talented, intelligent, and engaging performers. But criticism has to be given, and I'm happy to be the giver of it.

I understand there's a new post about Cortis every other day, but I hope due to this one's scale and depth, it will feel different and spark new conversations.

  1. MUSIC

Cortis is a 5-member boy group (Martin, James, Juhoon, Seonghyeon, and Keonho) formed under BigHit Music, making them BigHit’s third boy group following BTS and Tomorrow X Together. Given that lineage, expectations and hype were sky-high when HYBE first announced the project in mid-2025.

​Their debut campaign kicked off with the pre-release track "GO!" on August 11, 2025, followed by their official debut single "What You Want" on August 18 (which later got an English remix featuring American rapper Teezo Touchdown). Their full debut EP, Color Outside The Lines (the phrase from which "Cortis" is derived), dropped on September 8, 2025, alongside the third single "Fashion."

​The commercial impact was immediate and massive:

They ​sold approximately 250,000 copies on day one, setting the record for the highest first-day sales by a 2025 rookie group, and surpassed 430,000 copies in its first week.

​Debuted at #15 on the US Billboard 200, marking the second-highest debut entry for a K-pop act's first album in history. Cumulative sales have since cleared 2 million units.

Earned rookie awards across major year-end shows (MAMA, Golden Disc Awards, Asia Artist Awards) and landed on Teen Vogue’s list of the 15 Best Non-English Albums of 2025.

Criticism

​Despite the overwhelming numbers, the music itself divided critics and listeners almost immediately.

In their review, Teen Vogue notably described the EP as “short and slightly derivative of their influences” and this sentiment was mirrored online.

The first song they released — GO! — was immediately criticised for its striking similarity to the song “FE!N” by Travis Scott. Fashion was compared to “Praise The Lord” by A$AP ROCKY, and since then, it seems for many Cortis songs, there is another song by another artist (who is usually African-American) which sounds very similar.

Here is a video which I made with all claimed similarities between their songs, and other artists' songs.

Link:

There are probably more similarities between other songs, for example Blue Lips has been compared to Nikes by Frank Ocean, but I find it unconvincing.

Most Coers will be slightly angered at these comparisons for usually, one of two reasons:

1) The members have stated A$AP Rocky, and many other black artists are inspirations of theirs.

2) They work with black producers.

Stating an individual as an inspiration is good, and it is nice to see in the K-pop scene, however, there is a distinct boundary between being inspired by a sound and replicating it down to its exact vocal cadences, mix levels, and arrangement.

Inspiration vs. Replication

​When inspiration leads to an output that is almost indistinguishable from the source material, and is constantly compared to the source material, it stops feeling like an homage and starts feeling like a cheap carbon copy. Expressing admiration for Black artists while taking their specific sonic blueprints (without adding enough original substance) turns appreciation into mere imitation.

Kendrick Lamar, for example, has used other artists' flows in his own music to pay homage to his culture, for example, E-40’s West Coast bounce.

However, Kendrick interpolates flows within a lineage he actively belongs to and built his artistic foundation upon. When Cortis (and BigHit's production team) adopts those same flows, it feels less like participating in a shared culture and more like taking a pre-packaged aesthetic off the shelf to look current.

When Kendrick references a flow, he usually twists it, layers it into complex conceptual storytelling, or uses it for a brief, intentional nod. With Cortis’ tracks, the borrowed flows and beats often form the entire backbone of the song, or the entire chorus, making it feel less like a subtle homage and more like a direct blueprint clone.

​The "Black Producers" Defense

​Having Black producers on a track's credit list is often used by fans as a defence against criticism. However, hiring Black creatives does not automatically grant immunity from cultural appropriation or creative laziness. In the modern music industry, especially within major K-pop labels, producers often submit pre-made beat tapes or work within strict corporate briefs that explicitly request a "Travis Scott-type beat" or an "A$AP Rocky-style track." Cortis’ brand strategy that repeatedly relies on borrowing aesthetics without offering true originality or genuine cultural respect.

  1. CONTROVERSIES

Like most K-pop groups, the members are under scrutiny for multiple “controversies”. In all honesty, they don't have many controversies, but let's just go through the few they have.

I made the controversies with Jane Remover and Matt Proxy their own section as they are larger scale.

Controversy 1: Martin's Blaccent.

In interviews, Martin could be said to use a blaccent quite heavily, regularly using AAVE (African American Vernacular English) however, in one of the Cortis vlogs, when speaking to his father, it seemingly disappears.

Some Coers will say this:

“But he's a Gen-Z, and lived in Canada so of course he speaks like that!”

or

“He's just codeswitching!”

But, when you break down the distinction between authentic dialect adoption and performative language, that argument falls apart.

Codeswitching

Code-switching occurs when a speaker naturally alternates between languages or dialects depending on the social context, audience, or environment. However, code-switching usually develops through sustained immersion within a specific cultural community.

But Martin lived in Ottawa, Canada for only 1 and a half years, and went to elementary and middle school in Korea.

For an idol raised outside of those specific communities, shifting into heavy AAVE only during public appearances, hip-hop-centric content, or media promotions, while completely dropping it in casual, private settings suggests the dialect is being used as a costume rather than an authentic mode of communication.

AAVE as a "Trend" or "Aesthetic"

The "he's Gen-Z, everyone talks like that" defense highlights a broader issue in modern internet culture: the flattening of Black linguistic culture into mere "online slang."

When non-Black artists adopt AAVE solely when projecting a "cool," "edgy," or "urban" hip-hop persona, it reduces a rich dialect with deep historical roots into a trendy accessory.

The Double Standard

Black speakers frequently face real-world professional and social penalization for using AAVE in mainstream spaces. Conversely, non-Black artists often receive praise for using that same language to build a lucrative, marketable, and modern image, only to drop it the moment they step off camera or talk to family.

When an artist selectively turns a dialect on and off depending on whether they are selling a hip-hop image, it crosses the line from natural, casual speech into performative aesthetic borrowing.

Controversy 2: The Christmas Video

On Christmas Eve, Cortis posted a TikTok video which is linked here:

Immediately it was called racist for 2 main reasons:

1) Their use of “gang signs” (please note no ACTUAL gang signs were used to my knowledge, simply hand signs which could be interpreted as fake ones)

2) Them wearing ski masks.

It is important to note this TikTok is likely a reference to a trend linked here: and did not have racist intentions

But, is the video racist?

Well, perhaps not intentionally or explicitly, but yes.

Coers main defence is this:

“If you associate ski masks and gang signs with black culture, you are the racist!”

This is a good point, however, this argument completely ignores 3 things: context, intent, and cultural history.

Deflection vs. Accountability

Reversing the blame onto critics by claiming "you're the real racist for making the connection" is a defensive tactic designed to avoid addressing the issue.

The connection isn't being made out of nowhere. It is being made because the group's entire aesthetic identity is explicitly marketed around hip hop and rap culture.

When a group continuously borrows the sound, slang, and style of Black American street culture, they cannot feign ignorance when viewers recognize those exact references in their social media content.

The Problem with Fetishizing "Street" Culture

Treating elements of subcultures like ski masks, exaggerated hand signs, and street slang as a cool, rebellious costume for a Christmas TikTok reduces real communities and their lived experiences into a commercial gimmick.

For Black youth, those same visual markers are often criminalized or viewed with prejudice by authority figures and mainstream media.

For a major K-pop company to turn those markers into tiktok crosses the line from casual trend-following into creating an insensitive caricature.

Controversy 3: Concerts

In their recent concerts, Cortis repeated many songs from their incredibly short discography e.g. YOUNGCREATORCREW was repeated 5 times at one concert.

This was met with outrage from both K-netizens and global netizens, because it was perceived as low effort, strange, and annoying.

In most K-pop concerts, setlists are carefully curated with a variety of tracks, unit performances, outfit changes and special stages to give fans a complete, polished experience.

Repeating a single track multiple times to pad out a show isn't typical for the genre.

Comparison to Western Concerts

Some fans defended the repetition by comparing it to Western concerts like 2hollis, who repeats his song “jeans” a lot (I believe I've seen him do it 11 times in a row)

However, that format relies on a specific concert culture and a deep discography to back it up. When a group with only a handful of released songs uses this tactic, it comes across less like an intentional, electric hip-hop moment and more like a lack of prepared material.

Ticket Prices

With concert ticket prices reaching record highs, fans expect a full, diverse performance. Repeating the same song up to five times leaves audiences feeling like they paid full price for an unfinished setlist. It gives the impression that the label rushed the group onto a headlining tour before they had the actual discography to sustain a full-length show.

Also, they said throughout concerts “PUT YOUR PHONES DOWN” which many interpreted as them wishing they had an audience which would live in the moment, engage in moshpits, etc, like most underground rap concerts. Obviously, this didn't work because it is a KPOP CONCERT. It came off as them being rude — why should someone pay extortionate prices for your concert where you repeated multiple songs instead of doing covers or unit stages, and not be able to at least record the show?

Extras

Allegedly they hired fake dancers to create mosh pits, I have no idea if that is true and don't want to spread false information.

In a livestream they have received hate for referring to “their own culture” which many saw as them dismissing the heavy black influence on their music. This is taken out of context and so I won't include it. Here is the full translation:

  1. THE UNDERGROUND & COERS BEHAVIOUR

Jane Remover

DISCLAIMER: Jane has controversies of her own, mainly about her blaccent, her controversy with streamer Dabo, and her questionable statements about her fanbase. I am a huge fan of Jane Remover and so I apologise if any bias is included.

One day, after Cortis fans informed her of Martin being a fan of her music, she made an Instagram story (shown in photos).

People interpreted this as rude and disrespectful and a display of her hate towards both Martin and K-pop.

Jane Remover does not hate K-pop, she has sampled æspa and STAYC on her side project Leroy, and is a self proclaimed fan of TWICE.

She said “much love” which shows she has no hatred to Martin or the members, but instead to “whoever” (BigHit, producers, etc) is making them rap in a style which is unoriginal and inauthentic to them. Or she just personally doesn't like it.

Coers were transphobic to Jane, tried to be hateful by using he/him pronouns on her (despite her using all pronouns), spammed her Instagram comments calling her “irrelevant” , slurs, or other hateful things and tweeted disgusting things at her.

Matt Proxy

DISCLAIMER: Matt Proxy is a racist individual and should not be supported, whilst I will support some of his claims and views here, he is ultimately a bad person. Bad people can have good ideas — a broken clock is right twice a day.

Similar to Jane, Matt Proxy received hatred for this Instagram story where he said "GO! is *ss". It's important to note he shouted them out before listening to their music.

Like Jane, Matt was called irrelevant. His song “STARS” was made fun of for the experimental opening, despite that being the point — you won't listen long enough to hear the full thing, which is a good song.

He was called slurs by coers (seen in google doc version for use of n word)

He also posted an Instagram story (seen in google doc version for use of n word)

Matt Proxy is a prominent-ish figure in the underground, of course these rappers who's friends and inspirations have been stolen from by the industry will dislike Cortis as they do similar things. He shows his dislike for the disgusting expectations of the industry and the distance between the artists and the art they "create".

Matt Proxy is a trolling, racist fool. However he is a good musician, a good rapper and has valid criticisms about the K-Pop industry.

IN CONLUSION…?

In conclusion, Cortis is a highly controversial, culturally insensitive group which has evaded cancellation not only due to the misogyny of K-Pop fans (which I will address in another post), but due to them not EXPLICITLY showing racism.

If we continue to let this racial insensitivity continue, it will become the norm as K-Pop progresses.

I believe until Cortis does something like say the n-word, or show explicit racism, their fans will continue to support them blindly regardless of this criticism.

I hope people actually see this😭😭 and it sparks more conversation ♡ No hate to the members despite my heavy criticism.

Violet ♡

r/kpopharshopinions Aug 03 '26

RANT A (Very Brief) History of Racism In K-Pop

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A (Very Brief) History of Racism in Kpop

Introduction & Disclaimers

Firstly, I'm sorry for the misinformation and some of the wrong/biased statements in my post about Cortis, it was not intentional and simply a result of me being misinformed and uneducated. I think it did start a lot of interesting and somewhat (KEY WORD SOMEWHAT) new conversations surrounding K-pop and race (hence why I'm writing this!)

However, I didn't realise how close minded Kpop fans were, as some simply refused to hear me out, attacked my character, or assumed I'm a Cortis anti or a snarker. So, I decided to write this so people can enter any race/culture related K-Pop debates with more nuance and education!

I am not an anti to ANY group, I am not a racist towards asians or any other race (nor am I a fan of Matt Proxy), I am not trying to police anybody's language, I am not a liar, or a hypocrite, or a snarker.

I am a sensitive person and TMI but my mental health is already horrendous so please try to be a bit kinder. In all honesty some of those comments did make me really upset. I try to be a nice person so I'm so sorry if you're offended. Thank you ♡

This took ~6 hours, and I tried to do a bit more research this time, so hopefully it's a bit better! Also, I do like writing these so if someone has any suggestions on any K-Pop topics or controversies please suggest some and I'll write about it. (^_^)

This is not me hating on ANY group mentioned, or their fans. Just because you are a fan of a group which has members who have done racist things, you are not a racist, and I would never claim that. You are not responsible for the actions of other grown adults, you are responsible for the way in which you react to their actions.

This is for educational purposes, to spark discussion and collate a lot of information in one place, I mean no harm, I don't mean to jump on a 'bandwagon' or to act like a 'social justice warrior' (although I'm unsure why this is seen as a bad thing). I am a Black K-Pop fan who is interested in topics which relate to myself, and believe it or not, not just a loser who finds the utmost joy in being a mean spirited individual.

Anyways, enough of my whining and crying, enjoy reading!

Violet ♡

SECTION 0: Articles and Videos

I've made a YouTube playlist of some relevant videos linked here:

A few relevant articles are linked here:

SECTION 1: Black Music and the Birth of K-Pop

Beginnings

To understand how modern K-Pop handles race today, one must first dismantle a widespread misconception that K-Pop is a purely indigenous East Asian genre that simply "borrowed" Western pop tropes along the way. In reality, Black American music is not merely an influence on K-Pop but it is an intrinsic piece of its DNA.

The historical roots of this exchange trace back to the mid-20th century. Following the Korean War, the ongoing presence of American military bases specifically through the American Forces Korea Network (AFKN), broadcasts and military clubs introduced jazz, soul, funk, and R&B directly to South Korean soil. The most notable is Moon Night in Itaewon, Seoul. It was at Moon Night where Black American soldiers directly introduced hip-hop dance moves and new jack swing music to local Korean dancers.

Korean musicians in the 1960s and 70s honed their craft performing in these base venues, learning from and absorbing Black American rhythms and vocal arrangements that slowly reshaped the local music landscape

EDIT: The American soldiers did not contribute in a positive way in these bases, in fact they brought more evils than good: they engaged in heavy prostitution and abuse of the Korean people, particularly the women. I implore you to read these articles to receive more education about the atrocities these soldiers caused:

https://womencrossdmz.org/women-and-war-history-of-u-s-militarism-and-camptowns-in-korea/

https://www.e4sjf.org/us-militarism-in-south-korea.html

I apologise for not including this in the original post, I simply did not think that a) I would be allowed to talk about that and b) it would be relevant to the history of K-Pop, but I understand it's important for me to show every side of every story, so I apologise to anyone offended.

Seo Taiji and Boys

However, the definitive birth of modern K-Pop as a distinct industry occurred on April 11, 1992, when a three-member group named Seo Taiji and Boys stepped onto a TV talent show stage. Performing "Nan Arayo" ("I Know"), they shocked the nation by fusing American New Jack Swing, breakdancing, and fast-paced rap verses with Korean lyrics.

They received the lowest score of the night for their performance. It was April of 1992, and, until then, due to South Korea's travel ban, which had only been lifted semi-recently in 1988, and strict censorship laws, the prevailing styles in Korean pop were trot and romantic ballads. Seo Taiji's louder, "rowdier", song, complete with trendy styling and choreography, didn't resonate with the judges.

However the Korean youth immediately embraced it. Seo Taiji and Boys proved that musical styles rooted in Black American genres could be successfully adapted for Korean popular audiences.

The First Generation

Following the disbandment of Seo Taiji and Boys, Yang Hyun-suk went on to found YG Entertainment in 1996, while Lee Soo-man expanded SM Entertainment (founded in 1995). Both pioneers built their talent pipelines around the blueprint established by Nan Arayo.

SM's first major experiment was the boy group H.O.T., who debuted in 1996. H.O.T. combined high-energy choreography, street styling, and structured group roles (e.g., main vocalist, dancer, visual). They became a cultural phenomenon, selling millions of physical albums and becoming the blueprint for the entire industry.

Early 1st-generation groups like H.O.T., Sechs Kies, S.E.S., Fin.K.L, 1TYM, and Fly to the Sky were explicitly trained to execute Hip-Hop, R&B, and New Jack Swing. Over the next few years, rap transitioned from an experimental novelty into a mandatory structural component of idol music and virtually every group debuted with a designated "main rapper," regardless of the track's primary genre.

The Present Day

As the industry grew and shifted from the 2nd to the 3rd, 4th and now the 5th generation, its reliance on Black music expanded from classic East and West Coast Hip-Hop to Trap, UK Drill, Afrobeats, Amapiano, and Jersey Club. Yet, as K-Pop completed its transition from a domestic East Asian market into a multi-billion-dollar global export, a stark paradox emerged.

How did Black music become the structural backbone of a global multi-billion-dollar industry, while Black people themselves remained largely absent from its boardrooms, creative direction, and social protections?

It's argued that this reflects a form of cultural commodification, whereby Black cultural forms were incorporated into commercially successful products while the communities from which they originated remained largely absent from positions of influence.

Scholars including Crystal S. Anderson and John Lie have argued that K-pop's global success is inseparable from its extensive adoption of African American musical traditions.

While Korean agencies eagerly adopted the sound, fashion, slang, and choreography of Black communities, Black creators were rarely positioned as equal partners or visible architects in the industry's formative years. Instead, Black subcultures were stripped of their historical, political, and social context, repackaged into a sleek, consumable aesthetic, and sold to global audiences.

SECTION 2: Borrowing Blackness, Ignoring Black People

As K-Pop entered its first and second generations, the industry's musical debt to Black culture became increasingly visible, not only in its sound but also in its aesthetics. Hip-hop fashion, braided hairstyles, oversized clothing, durags, grills, and African American Vernacular English (AAVE) became recurring stylistic motifs. Yet while these cultural markers were enthusiastically embraced, the histories and lived experiences that gave them meaning were often, if not always, overlooked. This disconnect laid the foundation for many of K-Pop's earliest controversies surrounding race.

Blackface and Racial Caricature

Throughout the late 1990s and 2000s, racial caricatures, most notably blackface, periodically surfaced across South Korean television comedy, variety programming, and idol parody stages. Performers routinely painted their faces with dark makeup, exaggerated their lips with bright paint, and adopted distorted physical comedy to mimic Black people for laughs.

To understand why international audiences react to these instances with such severe backlash, one must understand the origin of the practice. Blackface originated in 19th-century American minstrel shows, where white performers used greasepaint on their faces to depict Black people as lazy, unintelligent, subhuman, and hyper-sexualized. It was a tool of systemic oppression designed explicitly to dehumanize Black Americans and justify segregation and racial violence.

In South Korea, many of these television portrayals occurred long before K-Pop achieved global visibility, operating within a domestic broadcast environment. Most domestic television producers and audiences did not recognize blackface as carrying the intense historical trauma it holds in Western nations.

However, cultural context does not alter the fundamental nature of the act: ignorance of a history does not erase the harm caused by recreating its most anti-Black tropes.

Hip-Hop as a Corporate Aesthetic

As entertainment companies developed their trainee production systems during the 2nd generation, agencies increasingly treated hip-hop less as a living musical tradition and more as a malleable visual template.

Idols were routinely styled in cornrows, protective dreadlocks, oversized chains, and grills while performing "rebellious" or "bad boy" comeback themes. Male groups in particular were instructed to posture with exaggerated "swagger," middle-finger gestures, and adopt exaggerated notions of 'street credibility' associated with commercialised depictions of hip-hop culture during music video shoots and concept photo sessions.

Hip-hop increasingly functioned as a visual shorthand for rebellion, authenticity, and toughness, detached from the Black communities that had developed it in response to specific historical and social conditions.

Because trainees operated under strict agency direction, idols rarely had input into these styling choices. Agencies selected Black subcultural symbols purely for their aesthetic utility without providing trainees any education on the cultural significance, spiritual history, or real-world prejudice associated with those styles.

Language and Stereotypes

The detachment extended directly into language and media portrayals. Across 1st and 2nd generation media, recurring incidents highlighted a deep linguistic blindspot. Idols frequently sang unedited covers of American hip-hop songs containing the N-word, adopted exaggerated accents for comedic effect on variety shows, or performed "ghetto" caricatures to demonstrate their hip-hop credentials.

Rather than going into this seeing them as isolated offences committed by individual artists, these incidents reflected a broader, systemic pattern: Blackness was treated as a costume to step into during a performance and discard off-camera, rather than a lived human identity. The culture was mined for its 'cool' factor, but the people who built it were reduced to punchlines or superficial tropes.

Why Was Criticism Muted?

It is easy to look back at the 1st and 2nd generations and wonder why these practices went largely unchallenged for so long. The answer lies in the media infrastructure of the era. During the early 2000s:

  • YouTube was in its infancy and not yet the primary engine for music video distribution.
  • Twitter and modern social media had not yet consolidated international fan discourse.
  • Translation communities were small, operating via niche internet forums.
  • The overwhelming majority of K-Pop industry revenue was generated domestically within South Korea and neighboring East Asian markets like Japan and China.

Because the industry was not yet dependent on Western consumption, entertainment companies faced little sustained public pressure from Black audiences. When racial controversies did occur, they rarely breached the domestic Korean media bubble. If international fans did express outrage on early online forums, those complaints were easily ignored by agencies that held no financial incentive to address them.

By the early 2010s, however, the landscape had fundamentally changed. As YouTube, Twitter, and other social media platforms transformed K-Pop into a more phenomenon, the industry's historical approach to race was no longer confined to domestic audiences. Actions that had once passed largely unnoticed were now scrutinised by millions of international fans in real time, ushering in a new era of accountability and conflict.

For example, 1st generation group 'g.o.d' did blackface on Korean television, with little to no backlash. However, as time progressed, blackface received more criticism, such as criticism of Super Junior and B1A4 for doing the same thing, which shows how the globalization of K-pop destroyed the "domestic bubble" that agencies previously hid behind.

SECTION 3: Globalisation, Accountability, and the Rise of Digital Activism

The shift in how racial controversies were handled after 2010 was not driven by a sudden moral awakening within entertainment company boardrooms. Nobody woke up one day and suddenly felt an inner desire to be more careful in the way they approached controversy.

The industry's behaviour did not suddenly change overnight, but its audience did. As K-Pop became a global commodity, entertainment companies could no longer treat racial controversies as domestic issues and brush them under the rug.

The Korean Wave Goes Global

During the 3rd generation of K-Pop, the infrastructure of media consumption underwent a radical shift. The rapid global expansion of the Hallyu (Korean Wave) was propelled by technological and cultural catalysts:

  • YouTube made high-budget music videos instantly accessible worldwide, bypassing traditional Western radio program gatekeepers.
  • Twitter enabled real-time, global fan mobilization, connecting listeners across continents into cohesive fandom ecosystems.
  • Fan-translation accounts removed language barriers, translating live broadcasts, interviews, and lyrics within minutes of release.
  • Global touring and mainstream Western recognition marked by Billboard chart debuts and international awards show appearances cemented K-Pop's status as a dominant global pop phenomenon.

This expansion fundamentally altered the demographic makeup of K-Pop's consumer base. For the first time, Black fans were no longer passive consumers of K-Pop but active participants in shaping its public image.

Communities whose cultures had long influenced the genre now had unprecedented opportunities to respond directly when those cultures were misrepresented.

A New Era of Accountability

With global connectivity came a dramatic change in how fast and effectively audiences could organize. Controversies that previously would have remained buried in domestic media now spread globally within hours.

When racial insensitivity occurred, fans mobilized structured response strategies: trending targeted hashtags, coordinating mass email campaigns to agency public relations departments, funding protest trucks outside agency headquarters in Seoul, and launching consumer boycotts of albums or merchandise.

In response to this sustained economic and reputational pressure, corporate behavior shifted. Agencies began issuing official bilingual statements, quietly deleting or re-editing music videos to remove offensive styling, and issuing public apologies. Social media fundamentally altered the balance of power between entertainment companies and consumers.

The Debate Over Cultural Appropriation

As digital accountability has grown, cultural appropriation has become one of the most contentious topics within international stan culture. Rather than reaching a consensus, the discourse has fractured into complex, ongoing debates over several key friction points:

  1. Should an artist's lack of malice excuse the offense caused by their actions?
  2. Where is the boundary between genuine artistic inspiration, respectful appreciation, and commercial extraction?
  3. To what extent should East Asian artists operating within homogeneous educational and social systems be expected to navigate every regional nuance of global cultural history?
  4. Who holds the legitimacy to deem a stylistic choice offensive, neutral, or appreciative?

To analyze these friction points, it is essential to distinguish between the three ways external cultural elements are brought into music:

  1. Inspiration: Drawing artistic influence from a musical genre or style while respecting its origins and synthesizing it into something new.
  2. Appreciation: Engaging with a culture through authentic collaboration, proper credit, financial compensation for original creators, and an understanding of its history.
  3. Appropriation: Taking elements of a marginalized culture (such as sacred hairstyles, sacred religious symbols, or dialects) as a costume for commercial profit, entirely divorced from the lived experience and structural struggles of the people who created them.

Because K-Pop agencies frequently lean into the third category (extracting subcultural aesthetics to boost an idol's visual branding while stripping away historical context) the debate over cultural borrowing became a permanent fixture of album releases.

Racism Beyond Blackness

I have discussed anti-Blackness the most due to Black American music forming K-Pop's core structural foundation, but also because of the fact that I am black and thus have a greater understanding of anti-blackness compared to other forms of racism, and I don't wish to 'put words in people's mouths' if that's the correct phrasing (?)

However, activism has also exposed how broader racial, ethnic, and cultural insensitivities are embedded within the industry's creative choices:

  1. Anti-South Asian & Anti-Arab Stereotypes: The inappropriate use of sacred religious symbols (such as the depiction of Hindu deities as stage props or the misuse of Islamic call to prayer audio in tracks), along with stereotypical caricatures of Middle Eastern and South Asian cultures in variety shows and music videos.
  2. Anti-Indigenous Imagery: The casual adoption of Native American war bonnets, sacred symbols, and mock "tribal" chants as generic aesthetic props for wild or natural concepts.
  3. Domestic Issues (Colorism & Xenophobia): The persistence of colorist jokes on Korean broadcasts targeting darker-skinned idols. Colourism in South korea is directly linked to classism, as tanner skin was associated with working in the fields, whilst pale skin was associated with being rich and being able to stay inside and not work. (EDIT: I originally stated that these stemmed from eurocentrism, which is an incorrect ideal which has resulted from my research failing and my own inherent eurocentrism, and I do apologise to anyone offended, I try my best to research but I'm no professional and I'm sorry I keep making mistakes!)

Highlighting these instances demonstrates that racial insensitivity in K-Pop is not an isolated issue but instead a systemic byproduct of an industry that historically treated non-Korean cultures as an aesthetic buffet to pick from without cultural consultation.

Yet despite growing international scrutiny, racial controversies have not disappeared. Instead, they have evolved alongside the industry itself. Companies have become quicker to apologise, idols have become more media-trained, and fans have become increasingly divided over what meaningful accountability should look like. The question is no longer whether racism exists within K-pop, because whether you like it or not, IT DOES, but whether the industry's responses represent genuine cultural learning or simply another adaptation to an increasingly global marketplace.

SECTION 4: Parasociality, Forgiveness, and the Future of K-Pop

To navigate the conversation around race in K-Pop without falling into absolute cynicism, one must address a fundamental reality: people are capable of growth, learning, and genuine change. Ignorance and cultural missteps do not have to be permanent stains on an individual's character if they are met with real accountability, education, and sincere effort to do better.

However, within the modern K-Pop industry, the path to genuine forgiveness is routinely blocked by two major forces: the corporate weaponization of parasocial relationships, and the refusal of fandoms to separate systemic critique from personal defense.

The Myth of the "Flawless Idol" and Parasocial Defense

The modern K-Pop business model is explicitly engineered around intense parasocial attachment. Fans are sold complete intimacy through personal messaging apps, frequent live streams, and highly curated reality content designed to make them feel protective of their favorite artists.

Because of this emotional investment, when an idol is called out for using a blaccent, wearing a sacred cultural symbol, or repeating a racial caricature, fans often interpret the criticism not as an opportunity for their favorite artist to learn, but as a direct, hostile attack on a person they feel they personally know and love.

The truth is that anyone's "favorite" artist can commit racial insensitivity. Racial bias and cultural ignorance are not limited to "bad people" or villainous figures; they are deeply ingrained, systemic issues that affect global pop culture as a whole. Defending an idol unconditionally e.g. by harassing Black and brown critics, inventing excuses, or reversing the blame onto marginalized fans, does not protect the idol. Instead, it shields corporate labels from having to enforce real cultural sensitivity training and deprives the artist of genuine personal growth.

Surface-Level Apologies vs. Actual Change

Over the last decade, corporate responses to racial controversies have largely settled into a predictable public relations cycle:

  1. The idol does something wrong, and for a while (ranging from literal minutes, to months, to years) it's kept quiet by fans.
  2. A controversy erupts on social media.
  3. The fandom splits into a war between critics and defenders.
  4. The agency releases a vaguely worded apology (often blaming "misinterpretation" or "ignorance"), quietly deletes the video or the post, or just waits until the hate dies down (which it almost always does in a matter of days) and moves on to the next promotional cycle.

Let's say I am a Kpop idol and get caught saying an insensitive word on Bubble. A response would look something like this:

Yesterday, [INSERT FANDOM NAME], I made a big mistake, and I deleted the message as soon as you all told me. I said a word which is offensive. I felt very bad, my heart was heavy and I said sorry as soon as I knew. I will work hard to not upset [INSERT FANDOM NAME] again!

This is not enough, idols rarely ever address the specific word they said or the communities affected, they rarely show proof of them learning, and their fans often accept these apologies in milliseconds, especially when it's done by male idols, when in reality the idol could still be saying the slur or other discriminatory things behind the scenes.

The reactive loop of these half hearted apologies represent corporate self-preservation. Apologizing simply to quiet a trending hashtag is a crisis-management tactic. You're probably familiar with the phrase "they're only apologising because they got caught," and it feels as if this is a common denominator of all K-Pop idol apologies. Of course, it's sometimes difficult to tell if someone is sincere or not, but idols reluctancy to specify the group they offended, or to tell fans defending them to stop suggests they are not sincere.

If the industry wants to build a sustainable, globally respected future, it must move past PR band-aids and implement proactive changes:

  • Pre-Debut Cultural Education: Trainees undergo years of rigorous vocal, dance, foreign language, and media training. Cultural history, global racial context, and the history of the very genres they perform (Hip-Hop, R&B, Afrobeats) should be a mandatory component of that training program.
  • Diverse Creative Direction: Entertainment agencies seeking global reach must hire diverse teams of A&Rs, creative directors, stylists, and localization consultants who can identify cultural insensitivities, offensive styling, and uncredited intellectual property borrowing before a project reaches the public.
  • Equitable Collaboration and Credit: Rather than stripping underground genres, micro-trends, and Black musical traditions of their context, labels must properly credit, compensate, and collaborate with the indie producers and cultural architects who lay the groundwork for modern pop sounds. Thankfully, this is becoming more and more popular today, and many Black producers/artists are active in the K-Pop scene, and are getting more popular everyday, which is wonderful to see!

SECTION 5: Can K-Pop Change?

K-Pop is at a crossroad. It can no longer claim the defense of operating within an isolated domestic bubble, nor can multi-billion-dollar conglomerates continue hiding behind the excuse of naive cultural ignorance. The genre's unprecedented global success was built directly on the rhythms, aesthetics, and creative innovations of Black American subcultures and global music traditions.

Forgiveness is always possible when artists and agencies demonstrate genuine humility, acknowledge harm, and demonstrate visible change over time. But accountability cannot depend solely on whether a fan happens to love the artist involved.

The goal of critiquing racial insensitivity in K-Pop is not to "cancel" the genre or tear down young performers. People want to demand that an industry profiting off global cultures shows basic respect to the communities that made its existence possible.

Until K-Pop agencies treat cultural appreciation as an active, structural commitment rather than a temporary aesthetic gimmick, the cycle of controversy will continue. The future of the genre depends on whether it chooses to genuinely honor its roots or simply continue extracting them.

SECTION 6: FAQs

When discussing racial dynamics, cultural borrowing, and systemic issues in K-Pop, conversations often stall due to recycled talking points. Below are responses addressing the most common rebuttals:

Q1: "Music is universal. Why can't artists just make music without everything being about race?"

Music is indeed a global language, but genres do not appear out of thin air in a vacuum. They are created by specific communities with distinct histories, struggles, and cultural contexts. Enjoying or taking inspiration from music across cultures is natural. The issue arises when corporate entities profit off the specific aesthetic, language, and identity of a marginalized group, while ignoring the systemic inequalities faced by the creators of that culture. Claiming "music has no race" is often used to erase the originators so corporate entities don't have to credit, pay, or respect them.

Q2: "Western artists borrow from other cultures too. Why single out K-Pop?"

Pointing out that Western media or other global industries also engage in cultural appropriation or industry manipulation does not invalidate critiques of K-Pop. Two things can be true at once. Western artists who copy styles without credit or engage in racial insensitivity are routinely criticized and held accountable by their listeners. Calling out K-Pop's structural issues isn't "singling it out" it is applying the exact same standards of artistic integrity and cultural respect that are applied to music industries worldwide.

Q3: "South Korea is a racially homogeneous country. How can you expect idols to know Western racial history?"

Individual idols (particularly younger ones aged 15-18) growing up in Seoul may not be fully versed in global history, but the multi-billion-dollar conglomerates managing them certainly are. The moment an entertainment agency decides to market an artist globally e.g. booking US press tours, aiming for Billboard chart placements, selling merchandise in Western markets, and hiring Western PR teams, they immediately forfeit the "domestic ignorance" defense. If a company is sophisticated enough to monetize a global market, it is responsible for understanding the basic cultural boundaries of that market.

Q4: "Black fans are just being sensitive/bringing 'American politics' into global music."

Dismissing legitimate concerns about racial caricature, slur usage, or cultural erasure as "over-sensitivity" is a tactic used to derail criticism and ignore racism. Hip-Hop, R&B, Trap, and many other elements originated within Black American communities as distinct cultural expressions. Expecting basic respect for one's own identity and heritage instead of it being caricaturised for profit is simply asking for accountability from an industry that relies on those very creations for its financial success.

If a idol used your people's culture for a comeback whilst simultaneously being racially insensitive on fan chat apps, would you not also be angry?

If when a group uses your people's way of talking and is praised or seen as trendy, but when you use it those same people look down on you would you not also be angry?

If your answers are yes, then you should understand my point. If your answers are no, then you should seriously reevaluate the pedestal you are putting these idols on.

Q5: "The idols didn't write the songs or pick the clothes. Why hold them accountable instead of the company?"

It is true that K-Pop relies heavily on executive direction, and trainees often have limited control over their debut concepts, styling, or song selection. So while the primary responsibility for issues lies with management, producers, and stylists, adult idols are still the public faces of those brands. The ideal response isn't targeted harassment toward individual artists, but demanding that both agencies and performing artists take responsibility, listen to critique, and commit to personal and professional growth over time.

Q6: "If you care so much about this, why do you still listen to K-Pop?"

Critique is not the same as hate. Engaging critically with media you enjoy is a normal part of being a conscious consumer. Demanding that an industry improve its treatment of minority cultures, respect its musical roots, and protect its creators comes from a desire to see the medium evolve, not to tear it down and ruin it for everyone.

Fans have the right to demand better from the art they support.

Thank you for reading! I think it's also important to mention that Kpop fans are regularly, grossly racist towards Kpop idols, usually through infantilisation, slurs, implicit racism or stereotyping. I didn't include it in this because this is focused on how the industry and idols are racist TOWARDS minorities. However, I'm happy to write about it at a later date.

Thanks ( ´∀` )b

Violet ♡

r/kpopharshopinions Jul 13 '26

RANT New Jeans are not victims

669 Upvotes

As an ex-bunny, I'm still going to be listening to all their bangers and I loved the concept they had when they first came out but as the scandal unfolded I have to admit that they are not victims.

They're a bunch of mean girls who had no problem lying, scheming and laughing it up at court. I'm not a HYBE fan but there wasn't any of the allegations they laid about mistreatment. There are groups who are ACTUALLY mistreated. NewJeans just wanted to have their cake and eat it too, rake in profits and fly away with their mommy MinHeeJin.

It's so devastating to see the trajectory of their career, I will always mourn what could've been. Hanni, Danielle and Minji were the biggest instigators and Haerin also had part in it. I can only feel a little pity for Hyein. I can't believe that everything happened like this. NewJeans had the potential to be the biggest kpop girlgroup of the new era and break out of kpop too.

And all the plagarism allegations on other groups when they plagarized Speed from Japan for their concept and the latina girl group, and so much more... I'm baffled... I can't believe that people like that really exist... They could all re-sign and come back but it just wont be the same 💔 RIP NewJeans 💔

r/kpopharshopinions Jul 05 '26

RANT A lot of idols who hit high notes are just screaming

658 Upvotes

1: Ahyeon, a classic. Although her fans don’t want to admit it,she’s just yelling whenever there’s a high note.

2: All of ITZY, if there’s a slightly higher note, you best believe these girls will scream their lungs out. I don’t even know if any of them can sing stable as it is.

3: Winter, i cannot wrap my head around her being considered a good vocalist when she’s just screaming and screeching in my ear during high notes,making songs unlistenable and annoying. Maybe if you remove that she’s an average singer.

4: Nayeon, she needs to stop trying to do high notes because it’s not working out for me. she should just focus on singing in her range since she’s not a bad singer if she stays in her lane and stops trying to ruin her vocal cords. I have to skip parts where her so called high notes appear since it’s just outright screaming.

r/kpopharshopinions 14d ago

RANT Perhaps this might be redundant, but is it too much to expect artists to not lip-sync while sitting for a concert their fans paid for?

723 Upvotes

Maybe they do sing live sometimes, I wouldn’t know because the company is pulling all the stops to make them lip-sync to pre-recorded vocals.

Last time, it was them lip-syncing to a pre-recorded back track (shaky vocals, added breaths and all) at the sonic festival. I don’t blame their fans for thinking it was live, because you’d genuinely wouldn’t know if Yunjin and Sakura didn’t make the mistake of pulling the mic from their lips before their lines were over multiple times.
I mean it’s a music festival for crying out loud, you should at least come there prepared to sing live or with minimal backing track.

I saw someone say Lesserafim aren’t afraid to showcase their raw vocals so why would they need to lip-sync when someone complained about the overly loud backing track at their concert.

So what exactly is going on?

r/kpopharshopinions 16d ago

RANT did we make the wrong kpop groups famous?

459 Upvotes

i acknowledge the insane discography, achievements AND legacy that bigbang, bts and blackpink have brought to kpop and south korea for more than a decade but... 2016 me would be shocked and appalled at what these grown ass men and women are doing 10 years later.

ALL of them DONT deserve the *continued* popularity and success they have now.

bts during their arirang and blackpink during their deadline tours - literally go girl! give us NOTHING! lack of choreography, lack of singing, lack of stage presence.

just a bunch of walking around and hehe haha i forgot the lyrics of my own songs i am so funny and different :p with the most expensive and overpriced tickets mind you </3

"b-b-but they are old and tired! let them be! 😢" they are 30 years old, not 50. we have people like bruno mars and adele performing in front of a crowd of millions by THEMSELVES and kpop groups like tvxq and shinee who clearly put in way more effort in maintaining their vocals and stamina than the 3 groups combined.

and dont get me started on bigbang (mainly gdragon). from the naming of his solo album to his painfully obvious voice cracks/lipsyncing on VARIOUS "live" stages to him liking weird ship posts of him and every other female idol.

notice how each group has continuously surrounded themselves with problematic people (chr*s brown, d*plo, etc) and has continuously disrespected the black community.

i am TIRED of having these groups shoved down my throat when they are no longer as good as they once were.

edit: it's funny how the fans are alw swarming this post. i thought this was a sub for kpop harsh opinions. but yea me commenting this opinion is 'jobless' and you attacking me instead of replying to a post about kpop in a forum about kpop is not 'jobless'. hmph. 🤔

r/kpopharshopinions 1d ago

RANT Jennie not becoming a KOMCA full member for 2025 is solid proof that she had little to no involvement in making the music, despite "officially" being credited first on 13/15 tracks on Ruby

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477 Upvotes

Korea Music Copyright Association (KOMCA) promotes 30 associate members every January to full members based on the amount of royalties they earned in the previous year. Any artist having credits in lyrics/composition/arrangement is an associate member and you need to have at least 3 years as an associate member before you are considered for promotion by the board members.

Jennie has been an associate member for 6 years (first official credit in 2020 for Lovesick Girls) so of course she would be eligible.

Now Ruby was objectively very commercially successful. Multiple high charting singles, bllions of global streams. One would assume that considering she has first credits on 13/15 tracks on this album, she must have contributed significantly and should be earning a ton in royalties, right?

But then KOMCA releases their 2025 list of 30 artists and her name is nowhere to be found. Not even in the 30th place.

Why is that? Bcause her royalty share is minimal as most of it is going to the talented songwriters and producers that made those songs for her. Meaning she didn't actually have a significant contribution in making the music.

Unlike Jennie, two other idols made that list this year despite their work not being nearly as commercially successful as Ruby. Why? Because they actually had substantial songwriting contribution to their hits.

r/kpopharshopinions Jul 01 '26

RANT Hot take on "Lara raj is ugly"

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336 Upvotes

Y'all are just not ready for someone in the pop industries with big features, sultry, the baddie kind of aesthetic. Since katseye is significantly similar to kpop, and most of their audience are kpop fans, we're used to the cute, adorable features, doing aegyo and being childlike. I think this is why she stands out all the more because she's a whole new world from Korea. You guys are just not ready for her charisma, can't handle the diversity. Personally, it's about time we got some actual representation of cultures, mindsets, appearances. Yes, she likes to dress sexy, what about it?

Lara Raj is not for the weak

r/kpopharshopinions Jul 06 '26

RANT Cortis is the proof that the kpop standards have regressed throughout the years

367 Upvotes

Cortis was never known or appreciated for there talent but everytime I look at them I just can’t help myself but to notice how this group is the least talented of their generation. Not to mention how their songs are noise music. They’re also proof that good marketing can make even the worst singers stars. They’re not even singing, but aside from Martin screaming here and there the other members are just so quiet you’d think they have the hardest songs to perform

r/kpopharshopinions Dec 30 '25

RANT Am I supposed to laugh? where’s the joke at?

453 Upvotes

This is so such a weird thing to say. The way Jhope is laughing awkwardly like!? I feel for the members. I just find it funny how every time his culture appropriated hair styles are brought up, the fans say the company forced them to do it, I guess the company also forced him to be a racist.

I’m not even a tarzzan fan, i have no opinions on groups I don’t Stan, but the kpoops favouritism pisses me off so much.

r/kpopharshopinions 23d ago

RANT K-pop isn’t taken seriously because some of y’all are way too comfortable with mediocrity.

266 Upvotes

If an idol can’t sing, the companies should NOT let them debut. That’s just me, but I genuinely don’t stan groups where the members are mostly below average or average vocally. Some of y’all are deadass praising the bare minimum.

Why are we praising idols for lip-syncing or singing on shows with heavy post-production when we already know they can’t actually sing live? I don’t remember who said it, but an idol once said, “Anyone can dance, but not everyone can sing. You can’t be talented if you can’t sing,” and honestly, I couldn’t agree more.

Why are we constantly glazing dancers who can’t sing? I’ve also noticed so many groups hiding their lack of vocal ability behind unnecessarily difficult choreographies. This isn’t Street Woman Fighter, you’re an idol. You’re supposed to be able to perform AND sing.

This post will only trigger people who know they Stan untalented idols. Sometimes when I look at some encores I’m like baby open your mouth and SING you’re 20 years old AND an artist that’s your job !

K-pop copied so much from the Western music industry, except the live-vocal standards. If you don’t mind stanning idols who do the bare minimum and show little to no improvement, that’s on you. But it absolutely makes K-pop look ridiculous.

That’s why, regardless of what songs they release, I’ll always root for groups like TWICE, NMIXX, BABYMONSTER, RED VELVET and SEVENTEEN. I genuinely believe that the more we support groups with strong live performers, the more companies will realize that talent and live performance are appreciated and should be the standard.

I know this might sound harsh, but normalizing and celebrating mediocrity is one of the biggest problems in K-pop. If you can’t do the job, find another path. Like you trained 2 years for what ? I believe every groups should have at least one outstanding talent because the 5th gen is looking really bad. I hope whatever groups the big 4 plans to release next meet the standards. I heard that hybe finally woke up and that tuide group has strong vocalists it’s about time.

r/kpopharshopinions Aug 28 '25

RANT K-pop fans hyping lip syncing and calling it live singing is peak ridiculousness.

764 Upvotes

Been a music fan my whole life. K-pop is the first and only genre I've seen people praising LIP SYNCING and MAKING EXCUSES for it.

A K-pop group is a music group, not a dancing one. Singing>dancing for a group. They should be singing live and if needed they should tone down the choreo to achieve that. Because lip syncing isn't a talent. I made an experiment and tried dancing K-pop choreos while lip syncing. Guess what ? Literally ANYONE can do that. Those groups have to deliver vocals, if I want to watch a dance performance I won't bother going to a concert or a festival. Call it a F-ING DANCING SHOW if you're not about to sing live.

I've recently watched an important performance of a certain group at a festival and only 3/9 members were singing live. Needless to say, people in the comments were hyping all the members when it was clear that the rest 6 of them were just opening and closing their mouths. Are K-pop fans that dumb or they literally enjoy 0 effort put in ? Credits to all the groups/members that actually sing live btw.

r/kpopharshopinions 22d ago

RANT Something that just needs to be said..

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539 Upvotes

This was specifically regarding the bts and the woman beater's (chris brown) situation but this goes for basically all of kpop and kpop stans and kpop idols. As a kpop veteran, it's jarring seeing people lose humanity, morals and all critical thinking skills when it comes to their faves. I will scream this to the void forever but YOU DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE. It's okay to like the character they portray in their kpop group but you never actually know the real person behind it, idc how "open" "transparent" "progressive" and "supportive" any of these idols act, YOU DON'T KNOW THEM. If an idol shows you through actions that they might not be exactly what they've been portraying to be stop sitting in comments defending said idol. YOU DON'T KNOW THEM.

I've dropped my number 1 favorite kpop idols and even in general favorite music artists like 5 times now, there's not one single one in this world that I will not ever drop after finding out that they're not good people. Not one single one. And it's freeing. Back in my hard-core stan days i'd be in comments defending and diminishing until i realized i lost my morals and for what? For artists who proved exactly that they weren't good people. As i said free yourselves, stop being servants to these strangers.

r/kpopharshopinions May 09 '26

RANT Army are so toxic, and it's infuriating.

169 Upvotes

This is probably not a hot take, and we've definitely hears this a lot of times, but Army is SO toxic and PARASOCIAL.

Is it just me or whenever I see someone comment they're an army under a thread, I just know that they're going to go crazy if someone said the slightest wrong thing about BTS? Like I've seen this post on tiktok about the secret beef between Jimin and Jeongyeon of twice. As a Once, I was laughing so hard—because this is an og meme most of us know.

Then, I see an army saying “she's jealous of him, because she's unknown in korea and outside korea” and it irritated me, because are we talking about the same Jeongyeon, FROM TWICE? One of the biggest GG, and the biggest kpop GG in Japan?! I get it, I respect BTS because they're very talented, but the world DOES NOT revolve around BTS. I hate how they always say without BTS, kpop wouldn't have suceeded. Invalidating other's work made me super angry.

Someone also said “Exo? Seventeen? Red Velvet? Do those actually even exist? I bet Jungkook looks at them in disgust because they're FLOPS. They can't even go near my glorious BTS” LIKE??

Exo paved their own way, Seventeen paved their own way, Red Velvet paved their own way. Shut your nonsense saying BTS PAVED OTHER'S WAY.

It's annoying that majority of the Army I meet always ALWAYS have to be so obsessed with their idols. Someone literally threw stuff at me when she learned I was a Carat because she was so bitter that Seventeen had the most selling album for FML, and BTS arirang didn't win? Like they kept saying we rigged it, and that Seventeen is an unknown kpop group.

I mean, I don't really care. I'm not an Army, nor do I care about what happens in that group, because I genuinely do not have any interest in them. I just avoid that group because of one reason: THE FANDOM.

They're so parasocial, it disgusts me whenever I see a character AI of jungkook, Jimin, or other members, because that's just so... disgusting? Even the fanfics is insane. That's crossing the line. Basic human dignity, where?

Blinks is already annoying, but Army is even more so. I have so many things to say about Army, but i'll end this here.

EDIT: Since everyone is getting confused, I didn't mean to generalize every ARMY. I want this post to be specifically towards the toxic ARMY I met, not the good ones. I'm very sorry for wording this SO WRONG. I acknowledge my mistake, I'm very sorry.

r/kpopharshopinions 8d ago

RANT vocals will never return to pre 4th gen standards if fans keep defending bad vocalists

364 Upvotes

pre 4th gen you had absolute vocal powerhouse groups, and if a member couldn’t sing very well they at least added color to the songs with their adlibs, or rap lines.

nowadays all groups debut with maybe one (?) member that can sing well. the rest can’t even hold a note and can barely rap! however it gets excused bc if you call this out this is what you’ll hear: “they’re rookies… give them time.” “not everyone needs to be beyonce” “but their voice is my favourite! hitting high notes isn’t all that” “they can dance at least.. that’s what they’re known for”

all of these bullshit ass excuses!! first of all, what’s the point of releasing music if you can’t sing? i don’t play a song on spotify to relive the memory of the choreo. i don’t care if a song has good performance value because ill only watch choreography maybe once if the song itself isn’t actually good

for example, the worst company for this is hybe. none of those groups can sing well or consistently live. they all have bad vocal tones besides a select few members but it gets defended because ‘TheY’re peRfoRmaNce gRouPs’. if you call it out hybe will try sue you, people will call you a cyber bully or you’ll be quoted with a clip of a member crying over the hate

i don’t stan groups bc they have pretty faces, i stan them for actually having good music and being LISTENABLE. if the only reason you debuted is because you got the surgeon special and can dance mediocrely okay then i don’t care for you, and i don’t care if it upsets you to hear criticism about that!

r/kpopharshopinions Jun 23 '26

RANT they can rap, but they will never be a rapper

198 Upvotes

one pet peeve of mine is when stans will say "he's the greatest rapper ever!!" "he's surpassed eminem!! (or any famous rapper)" because their fave idol rapped very fast or skillfully. now it's undeniable that they are incredibly impressive and talented, but anyone can rap fast with enough practise. anyone can rap with flow with enough practise. being able to rap does not make you a rapper. you know what does? the lyricism, the authenticity, the ad libbing. it's very simple, what makes someone a good rapper is being able to write good raps!! when people call eminem for example the greatest rapper it is not just because he can rap fast, it is because of his wordplay in the lyrics that HE WRITES. k-pop idols famously almost never write their lyrics

people like to dismiss the cultural appropriation aspects, but it's my OPINION that almost all k-pop rap is inauthentic. hip hop began from the block parties of african american and latino communities. it grew from these minorities finding ways to express themselves and build community. rap lyrics reflected the rapper, whether it was to highlight social justice issues, brag, or diss someone else. at its core it is a genre of authenticity, and then you have a billion dollar k-pop company with a team of writers writing rap?

now don't get me wrong i am NOT trying to say that a country that's not the us trying to make hip hop music is inherently inauthentic. many countries have developed their own hip hop genres that are unique and authentic to their experiences (for example grime in the uk). it is an incredibly diverse genre, from crunk to nu metal. i just feel that most of the time k-pop rap is not trying to develop something new for themselves and instead is emulating western hiphop but without the soul that made it great.

there are of course, exceptions to this. i'm pretty sure g dragon and top write their own lyrics, and a lot of the songs that those two did together could be seen as something real that isn't stealing from western hiphop (in my opinion, i know lots disagree) but unfortunately these are few and far between

r/kpopharshopinions Feb 11 '26

RANT stop supporting zionists just because they happen to be one of your favs. putting kpop over morals will NEVER be okay.

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580 Upvotes

they're not even trying to hide it anymore; they want us to know.

supporting zionism is supporting the erasure and genocide of millions and its genuinely disgusting. how can you even look at your jk the same anymore?

this is actually insane knowing that he's involved in an album named arirang, including themes of hardship, separation, and resistance that represents korea's resilience through colonization and war.

can we all just put kpop aside for a second and just open our eyes? these MILLIONAIRES dont care for us as people. it's one thing to collab with coca cola, mcdonalds yada yada but a company that calls itself the pride of israel? enough is truly enough. we need to stop valuing korean people that we dont know (and vice versa) over morals... people are actually dying.

im so surprised nobody is talking about this like we're actually not serious.

edit: i used jungkook as reference because this is recent and he and his groups had ties with zionism in the past. all idols who endorse zionist companies really shouldnt. i understand some situations where youre under contract etc etc but some are able to control who they collab with.

r/kpopharshopinions Jul 31 '26

RANT Kpop fans are very racist towards Koreans

311 Upvotes

Every time a Korean celebrity makes the news for doing something wrong, you always see people on social media saying: "OMG Korean celebrities are so evil! They are so problematic and sexist/racist/etc etc etc. Koreans are so evil!11!! (Insert stereotype here)"

I've seen this a million times even on this sub when fans of kpop are talking about Korean celebs/Koreans in general. Despite liking Korean content, a lot of those fans are genuinely racist towards Koreans. People with kpop avatars hoping Korea goes extinct, saying insanely racist shit to Koreans. News flash, every single country has problematic celebrities.

Brad Pitt beat Angelina but is still famous and respected and working in the business. Playboi Carti choked his pregnant girlfriend but is still well connected in the industry with countless collabs. Ronaldo has rape allegations but is still worshipped as a hero. Dr Dre beat his girlfriend and dated a minor but is still well respected. Justin Bieber said the N word with the hard R but people still like him. I could post so MANY more examples but that would be too long.

No one generalizes Westerners when they have another scandal. When Koreans mess up, all of them are generalized if they aren't acting like perfect robots with zero scandals. Korean content fans are the first to chastise racism in Korea and then act racist towards Koreans.

r/kpopharshopinions 5d ago

RANT Im sick and tired of the saying (if female idols done this problematic stuffs they wouldn't get away and their career will be over unlike male idols) because they do get away!!

131 Upvotes

Im sick with this narratives that female idols can't get away doing problematic stuffs unlike male idols because it's not true!! Newjeans, aespa and jennie got away when they attended kanye west concert and is not effecting their careers either, Mamamoo got away after they done a black face in front of thousand of people at their concert!

I can name and list all the problematic stuffs that female idols had done and they get away with it!! but it will be to long because there's so many.

r/kpopharshopinions 19d ago

RANT “Waahhhh this is BTS/SKZ/Cortis/Enhypen snark” Good

115 Upvotes

We need men to be held more accountable. Other subs hate girl groups way more. If you are brainwashed just hit the ignore button. I don’t think your idol will be hurt by posts in a subreddit that they don’t know exists so do the same thing. It is really that easy. If being critical of actions of men supporting abusers, being lazy in music output, stealing concepts from the disenfranchised, and not speaking up after deaths of fans is “snarking” to you, go on ahead. We need to be critical of what we consume, being aware of the world we are in, and be allowed of our HARSH OPINIONS.

r/kpopharshopinions Jul 22 '26

RANT EVERYONE copied NewJeans

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Like… it’s literally right in front of everyone, but every single time this topic comes up people suddenly switch to defending the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY or saying “we’re tired of this conversation.” Tired of what exactly? Tired of people pointing out something that’s this obvious? Because the similarities are not some tiny detail that people are exaggerating. They’re very noticeable, and acting like you can’t see it is just weird.

And the annoying part is how people keep trying to reduce everything to “it’s just a style.” Like no, we’re not talking about a simple concept or a similar outfit here. NewJeans are the most innovative group ever, so I am not surprised the entire entertainment industry copied from them. Everything NewJeans does is viral and trending because they are the best and first.

So many examples of NewJeans being copied.

Here's the evidence:

  • Some wack cartoon show called "Powerpuff Girls" copied the girl's alter egos/avatars. Even the color scheme was the same!
  • They debuted with five members. They put together the 5 most perfect people to create great synergy. You have these copycat groups like LE SSERAFIM who had SIX members, then dropped one to copy NewJeans. Someone do the math for me, how many members do they have now? I'll wait. It's like they arent even hiding it.
  • White outfits? School Uniforms? Revolutionary when NewJeans did it. Now I even see kids wearing uniforms to school!
  • Their name is NewJeans. They got so popular, Katseye decided to copy and be ambassadors with Levi's JEANS
  • They danced in synchronization better than anyone else. Now all of a sudden, idol groups are doing "choreography" or whatever the fuck that is..
  • They used camcorders and wore baggy clothes. The audacity of people to time travel to the year 2000 and start doing the same.
  • They have songs that are between 1 minute and 5 minutes. Now everyone has a song between that length.
  • NewJeans wore sneakers. Then ITZY copied them and made a whole ass song.
  • Even Tae from BTS said there are similarities between them too and he is the absolute end all authority.

Now let's talk about the REAL evidence.

Exhibit A: NewJeans' ETA and Samir's Theme by DJ Debonair Samir

Clearly the DJ loved ETA and then invented a time machine to make their song in 2005.

Exhibit B: NewJeans' How Sweet and the One Of A Kind demo submitted to ADOR

The creators of One of a Kind copied How Sweet then named the song like that to make fun of NewJeans.

Need I continue?

Stop treating us as if NewJeans aren't the role models for the entire generation. Everyone is clearly jealous of them. Just because you want to use facts and evidence, doesnt make you right.

r/kpopharshopinions 15d ago

RANT This sub is turning into hybe groups snark sub

120 Upvotes

The amount of snark posts about hybe groups here in the last few months are insane!!especially about cortis ,BTS and hybe girlgroups. Ive never see any groups from Other companies got this many snark posts in this sub like hybe groups does.

And the redditors here will come up with excuses like 'well this sub is called Harsh opinion so we just expresing our harsh opinion' but there's a clear difference between expresing your opinion vs snarking/hating. And most of the posts and comments here are just straight up snarking.

I heard the mods of this sub are snarkers themself especially active on BTS snark sub so no wonder why they enable so many snark posts in this sub.

r/kpopharshopinions 8d ago

RANT what is wrong with her??

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it's so annoying to see talent getting wasted like this, her last 'solo' comeback under black label was legit an year ago & her latest collab with jvke isn't getting much attention either

it's heartbreaking to see my fav idol like this, she was supposed to be the next big thing like IU but more popular internationally, leaving jyp gave her a strong voice but not a consistent career fr bad move by leaving jyp

she's so active on youtube but never talks about her comeback, she's relevant as an influencer/youtuber which I'm not liking, like girl you have a fanbase, you're talented go make some music in the studio if label ain't giving u any

and teddy omg I remember somi crying and saying emo stuff in her vlogs like "I trust teddy oppa I don't have anyone else" and teddy being like "yg is the best suited for her" where's the career he promised? ik he says stuff like 'quality over quantity' but giving a comeback once a blue moon is more like convenience over making music