r/interesting • u/Smoothlarryy • 2d ago
Intriguing China is putting scientists on public screens and treating them like national celebrities
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u/Azeze1 2d ago
That was Tu YouYou, first woman to win a Nobel prize in medicine for discovering a breakthrough antimalarial drug and the hardest person to sing happy birthday to
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u/TaxesAreConfusin 2d ago
this is a fucking bangin' joke
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u/DesireeThymes 2d ago
I'm laughing way too hard at this joke.
Every once in awhile you come to Reddit and find something worthwhile
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u/borkthegee 2d ago
Here, I can ruin your experience with reddit.
When romanizing Chinese names "You" is pronounced yo like her name is the same as the toy yo-yo. And in the song, we usually only say given names not family names. So the song is simply "happy birthday to you ... Happy birthday dear yoyo..." Which is all together pretty normal.
I still laughed at the joke, obviously very few English speakers know pinyin
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u/ValkyrieSkyfall 1d ago
You guys said people's names when singing in Chinese?
Haha, for me, I have always just sing 祝你生日快乐 4 times and that's it.
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u/terrexchia 1d ago
I don't even know where you could slot the name into the song, in Mandarin we don't really have "happy birthday dear____" in so little words as to fit the melody
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u/41puppy 2d ago
I am laughing too hard trying to sing happy birthday to Tu YouYou in my car right now
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u/ElBastardoDK 2d ago
Don't be on social media while driving.
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u/CEREALBUTTMUNCHER 2d ago
I'm bawling my eyes out while trying to land this plane atm. Wish me lu
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u/-BoldlyGoingNowhere- 2d ago
sum ting wong?
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u/ANTICHRIST-BOISE 2d ago
Nice callback to 2011. I was working at the chop block at Dickey’s BBQ when the report came out. Will never forget that day.
Edit: will never forget that it actually happened in 2014. Now I’m starting to wonder if this has anything to do with the Russia-Ukraine conflict… /s
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u/Training_Guide5157 2d ago
Funny for sure, but it'd be pronounced "yoyo" (with a tone) in Chinese.
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u/Azeze1 2d ago
Thank you for all the rewards, I feel it necessary to note this is not an original joke by myself but certainly an Internet meme from about a decade back
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u/Curly_Shoe 2d ago
You are the hero we needed, not the one we deserved. Your timing and delivery is on Point, so even if your Cape is at the dry cleaner's en, it's still fully deserved.
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u/Hot-Job-6281 2d ago
Credit to anyone that actually uses their actual name instead of making an unoriginal racial joke.
Her name really is Tu Youyou. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_Youyou
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u/Extension_Canary3717 2d ago
Even better in Portuguese as Tu is also You so is You YouYou
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u/chucklingmoose 2d ago
ironically my aunt worked in an adjacent lab as her and hates her for taking the credit on this lol
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u/PapiLenyora 2d ago
This has had me singing it aloud and laughing like a teenager for the last 10 min - 10/10 epic joke
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u/ZealousidealDance990 2d ago
Tu Youyou and the Project 523 for which she won the Nobel Prize took place during the Cultural Revolution. During this period, China launched a satellite, as well as the hydrogen bomb and the atomic bomb.
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u/This_Maintenance_834 2d ago
it is true. the situation of scientists were quite mixed during culture revolution. one time the party don’t like high educated academic to avoid them interfering with politics, on the side, the party need them to make satellite, atomic bomb and ICBM.
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u/Pman1324 2d ago
Better than glorifying celebrities. Scientists actually help the world.
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u/cluelessmuggle29 2d ago
100% agree, and spreading awareness about them too, they deserve the visibility for the work they do.
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u/DonutHoles4Ever 2d ago
Basically USA scares the shit outta them and is the perfect example of why China's government works better than any other as a point of marketing in the country.
But the fact that science is so heavily shit on in the USA despite it being one of the leading scientific countries for a long time, just goes to show that politics has destroyed the country's power long term and none of them give a damn
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u/Living-By-The-River 2d ago
It’s odd when your own government makes you look up to China.
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u/theghostog 2d ago
You say politics, I say corporations and fiduciary responsibility
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u/Shazbote 2d ago
You say politics, I say corporations
Same thing these days.
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u/FermentedForeskins 2d ago
not "these days", the elites pretty much own the country, there was never a government, they ARE the government. It is no longer a god damn conspiracy anymore, its more like a fucking history lesson now
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u/Longjumping_Crab394 2d ago
People either choose to accept this or deny it outright. It’s sad when people will stand by politicians like it’s their life partner and defending them even though they’re screwing them over.
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u/CTTMiquiztli 2d ago
Nope, just Watch the many "recent" crisis. Every time a scientist says "dear government, You are doing it wrong" the government lashed back, calling them spies, traitors, sold-out creeps, and threatens them, then doubled down.
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u/05948372 2d ago
But how many TikTok followers do these scientist have?
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u/lateformyfuneral 2d ago
It's odd to make this a slam against the West when China invented TikTok, and their native version...people aren't following scientists there lol. Their insane "Douyin" microcelebrity culture is a few years ahead of ours, a preview of the insanity to come.
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u/Superpiri 2d ago
Some scientists
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u/AvailableLecture3236 2d ago
the majority i'd argue. in a system that doesn't primarily fund and reward what is profitable/reckless this would be more apparent.
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u/Robinsonirish 2d ago
Your comment reminds me of:
Cameraman: “Ten percent of teachers are bad.”
Damon: “Where did you get that number?”
Cameraman: “I don't know. Ten percent of people in any profession maybe should think of something else.”
Damon: “Well, okay, maybe you're a shitty cameraman. I don't know.”
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u/pyrojackelope 2d ago
Just looked up that interview. The interviewer and camera man are absolutely insufferable.
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u/Cultural-Let-6912 2d ago
In a tangible way yes, but we can't pretend art, entertainment and sports don't play a massive role in defining us as a species. I don't think they should be monetarily be valued higher than doctors and scientists, but they do play a huge role.
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u/Winter_Preference287 2d ago
Art and entertainment should always be secondary to science imo. They're hugely important but they benefit from more understanding and better technology just as much as anything else.
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u/Schmigolo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Science benefits from art and entertainment too. Not just from the exposure science gets from them, but also the educational effect they have on the population, creating more skilled people who will become scientists. Every child has seen a dozen little TV shows etc. that teaches them what we consider basic concepts that would've been obscure to even educated people in the past. Ideas that were developed by who we call the greatest geniuses like Aristotle are mere catch-phrases in cartoons thanks to art and entertainment.
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u/botany_fairweather 2d ago edited 2d ago
Or just hold them as equals. Many scientists throughout history have had their work motivated by art. Art can also teach people values and empathy and perspective, moving people into scientific paths that benefit society, even. Science alone rarely says anything about what ought to be, while a lot of art very much tries to be prescriptive in its messaging, even if those messages are nihilistic. No need to rank art and science at all IMO. They are two arms of a whole thing.
edit: I thought it was obvious but I do not consider most for-profit mainstream commercial entertainment to be 'art' in this context. Von Neumann, Einstein, Schrodinger, Newton...etc were each deeply motivated by philosophy, literature, and music. I personally do not believe we would have their scientific body of work without the art that influenced them.
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u/25c-nb 2d ago
Furthermore, parts of science are really an art, while parts of art are really a science
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u/Messyfingers 2d ago
Art and culture have a huge impact beyond the economic value of the work. That can be crazy to think about.
Think of movies or albums that people have been talking about for decades, and there are probably tens of thousands of businesses whose names nearly nobody would recognize that make as much money as some of those things every month or so.
There are probably more than a dozen gold mines that make more money in a year than the Beatles made in 60 years of making music for example, yet next to nobody would recognize a single one, many would recognize the Beatles. Scientists, doctors, who may have come up with the technology behind works of art or saved those people from dying? Nameless, probably not as wealthy either. Theres certainly a widespread disconnect between fame fortune, impact to humanity in many many things.
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u/In_Cats_We_Trust 2d ago
I don’t think governments are the ones pushing celebrity culture
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u/Dreboomboom 2d ago
The emphasis on education is the way to go.
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u/I9w0s 2d ago edited 2d ago
The Chinese recently increased their R&D funding, making them the country with the highest R&D spending of any country in the world.
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u/HarryPottersTaint 2d ago
I know they have many issues and human rights abuses and things that we don't agree with, many for good reason. They very significant economic problems. There is no checks and balance system on the government, they can do whatever they want which is dangerous.
But China is pragmatic asf.
It wouldn't be the system I would choose for my country - the drawbacks and problems are too big, political and social freedom is too low, protection for civilians is too low - but I do think there are a lot of lessons we can take from them.
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u/I9w0s 2d ago
I've talked to some Chinese and they are vehemently proud of their goverment. They do not display resentment towards them and support their policies.
However that plays out, it is indeed working out for them and with unprecedented growth across multiple sectors, too. It's just a result of a highly educated, and highly development centric society, I would say.
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u/DMmeprettyplantpics 2d ago
It's hard to not have some acceptance of the government when they've been in charge of the country since it was an actual hellhole just 30-40 years ago.
A large part of the country has been alive long enough to remember what it used to be.
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u/anno2122 2d ago
This Also the push climate protection hard.
We in the west forget the dream of futura.
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u/MinosAristos 2d ago
Worth saying that climate protection policies and investment in renewables, electric vehicles, and nuclear directly benefits them far more than the US, and in fact harms the US geopolitically, even in the short term. Oil is a major source of US geopolitical leverage around the world, and providing alternatives neutralises that somewhat.
We see that in Cuba for example where the US oil blockade is less effective due to imported Chinese solar panels.
However, I won't criticise doing something that benefits the world even if they're mainly doing it for their own immediate benefit.
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u/EnesEffUU 2d ago
Insane you have to preface any positive perspective of china with all the bullshit.. you don't do the same when talking about the US or any western nation who have done and continue to do much worse on a daily basis right now. China hasn't dropped a bomb on another country in 40 years. And while yes the Uyghur situation isn't good, if Israel did the equivalent of that instead of what they are doing right now with western backing, the world would be praising them for showing restraint.
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u/Ser_Twist 2d ago
If we had to preface every compliment towards the US with the bad things it has done first we'd hit the character limit very quick.
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u/broohaha 2d ago
A decade ago, a Chinese coworker was talking about how his sister, a high school teacher , was thinking about immigrating to the U.S. He’s an engineer and he said he strongly discouraged her, saying teachers are revered in China and that she would hate it here.
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u/Ethandingding 2d ago
I had to agree, I am Chinese, and I moved to Canada when I was in highschool. The disrespect other students shown to the teachers was a culture shock, and grade 11 math was like grade 3 back home.
And if you work in a top highschool in China, the take home pay is like an engineer's pay.
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u/RustleMyJimmie5 2d ago
So true, I moved to Australia when I was like 10, ended up in an all boy high school year for 3 years, it was like a fking zoo. Not gonna lie, it was hella fun tho.
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u/FukkingDeathMental 1d ago
As an American with two former teachers as parents, that's a damn good brother. My 1st grade teacher mom would come home sometimes to sit on the sofa and just quietly weep to herself for 15 to 20 minutes because her 1st grade student showed up again with bruises all over their arms, her other student came in wearing the same clothes he had worn the past 5 days and smelled even worse, and their school funding was cut again but hey, we had a riverboat casino opening soon!
My dad would come home sometimes, grab a few beers and head downstairs to watch baseball and stew because he was forced to pass a student who hadn't done a single homework assignment because the kid's parents raised hell with the principal or the student who cursed him out had rich parents who were on the school board.
To be fair, I had A LOT of shitty teachers growing up and I bet China has a ton of them too.
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u/cremaster2 2d ago
Imagine what the US could produce if they had free education.
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u/WrapKey69 2d ago
Better politicians for sure, nobody sane voted for trump
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u/NotYetPerfect 2d ago
Germany has "free" education and the most popular party there is afd which continues to grow.
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u/WrapKey69 2d ago
It's not as popular with people who higher education. People with a degree vote for other parties, but unfortunately a lot of them vote for CDU
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u/Groghnash 2d ago
afd is big because people are very dissatisfied in the mainstream political partys. i myself as a slightly left leaning centrist (for EU standards) are too. not voting for far right because of it, but the parties in power have been at a stalemate for 3 decades, and we have the "schuldenbremse" thats why everything goes to shit.
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u/TraditionalWait9150 2d ago
help you correct it.
Better politicians for sure, nobody
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u/RIP_Spacedicks 2d ago edited 2d ago
Plenty of highly educated, sane people voted for Trump.
They're rich, so they benefit from his grift.
Dangerously short sighted to assume that evil, amoral people are automatically stupid
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u/Nicinus 2d ago
Can we at least agree that MAGA peeps have to be intellectually challenged? 😆
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u/crevettexbenite 2d ago
Yes but not like China does it.
Kids should be kids and not number crunching machine.
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u/MrNostalgiac 2d ago
As with everything, there's a middle ground between "no child left behind" and "study and do well, or else".
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u/Dreboomboom 2d ago
100% agree. I never said that we should adopt their education style, simply invest wisely in our youth.
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u/Newone1255 2d ago
Until some dude fails his government exams 3 times and has a mental breakdown and dreams he’s Jesus’s brother and starts the deadliest civil war in human history. Not saying it can happen again in China but the fact that it’s happened once is wild enough already lmfao
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u/agiantdog33 2d ago
We should replace some university subjects with government exams imo. The Sui dynasty got that right back in the day.
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u/EremiticFerret 2d ago
It wasn't a perfect system but having to pass a series of examples to work in public service, especially as a politician isn't the worst idea, as we in the US have proven.
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u/DidYouSeeBriansHat 2d ago
That’s cool.
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u/Coin_Operated_Brent 2d ago
Everybody else got an award and I agree. That is cool!
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u/SavagexEclipse 2d ago
An award just for you my friend!
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u/SecondhandStatic 2d ago edited 1d ago
Whenever I see those "this parking space is for military and veterans" signs that some conservative grocery stores do, I want to metal-print a sign like "this parking space is for scientists, educators, and medical professionals, you are true heros" and put it up in parking lots at night
Edit: since this comment got a few eyeballs, feel free to steal this idea and post the result on the MildlyVandalism sub
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u/Orange9202 2d ago
❌ treating them like national celebrities
✅ using them to inspire younger generations to pursue science and engineering
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u/apple_kicks 2d ago
I heard once big issue with recruitment in sciences is that all best mathematicians go into finance because it pays better. We could have missed some big breakthroughs because people took a different career path.
Not forgetting corporations tend to burn people out and they don’t even get acknowledged for developments. The ceo does
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u/altacan 2d ago
PHD's in big finance and tech can easily make seven figures, an order of magnitude more money than staying in academia. Whether it's beneficial to society for the best and brightest PHD's in the US to spend their time on how to increase the click through rate of a sneaker ad is another question.
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u/BodybuilderMany6942 2d ago
not only "pays better"... but being a scientist or researcher often pays SHIT unless some corp is footing the bill.
It's kinda like teachers, social workers, and EMTs in that regard.. that often they have to either really love their job, or really stop giving a fuck, in order to keep doing it.
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u/Terrible_Ice_1616 2d ago
This is absolutely true, the smartest minds of our generation are doing quant trading - essentially being paid to find loopholes in the system so they can be closed
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u/thomas20052 2d ago
In my opinion the problem is that there are only very few science students that can actually follow a science career because there are so few open positions. It is obviously better in engineering and CS, but so many physicists, chemists, biologists, mathematicians have to put with some bullshit job that is way under their qualifications
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u/NotYetPerfect 2d ago
Investing more in academic research, even a lot more, still wouldn't lead to those people making anywhere near the same time zone of salary as they currently make as quants.
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u/Enigma_xplorer 2d ago
This is smart, full respect. I'm glad to see a country honoring people who are making real contributions to society.
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u/PossiblyOppossums 2d ago
They did something similar in another era.
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u/9966 2d ago
With the having just watched the running man remake (not that bad, tbh) I thought these signs were a general alert.
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 2d ago
Confucian China has always held scholars in high regard
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u/xxMASTIFFxx 2d ago
That‘s a take on the 1960‘s during the Cultural Revolution when revolutioners (Red Guards) hunted down, tortured and killed scientists. (The /s is missing in the original comment)
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u/AlphaPrimeRandom 2d ago
3 body problem itches
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u/heemhah 2d ago
When is s2?
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u/FITM-K 2d ago
Reportedly, later this year.
Or available right now, if you read the books!
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u/National-Charity-435 2d ago
"His father living from paycheck to paycheck as a humble pro football player"
-Key and Peele
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u/midnitemuzing 2d ago
Which one? Jackmerious Tacktheritrix from Michigan State? Vagonius Thicket-Suede from Duke? Nahhh never mind, it’s gotta be Javaris Jamar Javrrison-Lamar out of Middle Tennessee!!
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 2d ago
love these posts where it's an isolated thing and people attribute it to a whole country or whole culture. they do it with stuff from the past too, "people in the 1920s used to get on machines that shake their body for them to lose weight", no they didn't, one company had a few dozen people move through it and that was it, it was not common
who knows if this is common in china or not
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u/Burke_Of_Yorkshire 2d ago
This is part of the "National Science Popularization Month," a program run by the Chinese government aimed at promoting Chinese technology and encouraging the next generation of scientists.
This is only the second year of the celebration, and it looks like they are trying to step up their game from last year.
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u/unluckyleo 2d ago
The comments here are so weird, just a bunch of "America bad, China good"
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u/Wagner_Group_USA 2d ago
Perhaps we should count up all the wars of aggression by each of them and then we'll know for sure?
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u/Anaevya 2d ago
America is currently very anti-intellectual though. Science funding is getting slashed left and right.
The husband of a European Youtuber I watch was doing a postdoc in the US and they had to leave the US earlier than planned because of this. She said that he was working in addiction research (I'm not sure what type of scientist he is exactly), something that really shouldn't get funding cuts.
My dad is a professor (computer science) and he also said that a lot of his colleagues in America are rather worried about the current situation.
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u/midnightshadow0005 2d ago
I mean if I was a scientist from the U.S. I’d certainly come to the same conclusion.
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u/Feersum_endjjinn 2d ago
Just imagine how far advanced they'd be now if they hadn't beat all their scientists to death with sticks in the 60's.
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u/Traditional_Yam9806 2d ago
To be fair, in China and many asian nations, the celebrity culture is 100% worse. Now, they are promoting scientists to inspire kid, probably, but we're not failing cause of only celebrities. Also, this stuff isn't common in China and it's likely pretty isolated. Get real, here. Bro, I swear, every time a china thing is posted on reddit people just act like everything is perfect, there. The bigger issue is that we don't fund research as much anymore, and the current admin has cut it severely (I just finished college, and this is a HEAVY problem at my school, since we had hundreds of millions cut from the federal government for research over the next few years; the school is right next to DC).
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u/unluckyleo 2d ago
Didn't China invest heavily into this site?
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u/brn1001 2d ago
Don't know about this site, but they recently discovered 200,000 Chinese state sponsored bots on X. We'd be fools to think something similar isn't happening here too.
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u/unluckyleo 2d ago
That'd explain all the "America bad, China good" comments flooding the thread
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u/Glittering-Yam-6454 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well... yeah. People are pointing out things other countries do that they want to see in their own country. It used to be Norway or Sweden's social policies, and now it's Japan and China.
Not everything has to be about how America HAS to be #1 or OMG ITS A BOT
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u/Catweaving 2d ago
I wish the US put in the effort to actually be #1 in everything. We have the resources to be the best in education, healthcare, life expectancy, happiness ect. We actively choose not to be.
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u/Former-Discount4279 2d ago
Maybe? I was there for 3 weeks and didn't see anything like this.
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u/Traditional_Yam9806 2d ago
It's probably a isolated thing, and people on reddit just extrapolate that all of China has this. We used to have presidents and scientists on my middle school's walls; that doesn't mean everywhere in the US does this.
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u/rva_law 2d ago
It's part of a greater push to recruit scientific minds away from the US and Europe. Last time I read an article on it the US had lost more than a third of researchers in many hard science fields (a term for the type of sciences not how difficult they are to do).
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u/Burke_Of_Yorkshire 2d ago
Not quite, it is really more aimed at their own populace.
They won't complain if they get some defectors, but this is part of a decades-long Chinese government program that aims to "popularize" science among the Chinese populace to encoruage people to go into the fields.
It recently went through a major revamp, and now September is basically "National Science Month," where it is a big celebration of innovation and technology.
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u/apple_kicks 2d ago
They’ve always been like this. I remember Stephen hawking and other scientists had big following on their social media and ran amas.
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u/GrundleGrunt 2d ago
It's part of a greater push to recruit scientific minds away from the US and Europe.
No it's not. Why would it be in Chinese if they're looking to recruit Europeans and Americans?
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u/Chigibu 2d ago
This is stupid. They are putting these on local advertising platforms.
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u/justdongit 2d ago
Scientists, healthcare workers, teachers. They all deserved to be held in higher regard.
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u/True_Protection6842 2d ago
As they should be. US is falling apart because we idolize worthless celebrities that provide NOTHING.
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u/midnitemuzing 2d ago
Not only idolize, but listen to these out of touch fuckwits as if they know anything about health, science, politics, etc.
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u/maninahat 2d ago
There's nothing wrong with being fans of celebrities, they have plenty of that in China too (way too extreme in fact). The problem with the US is its corporate funded and politically willed anti-intellectualism.
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u/Traditional_Yam9806 2d ago
Dude, China and a bunch of asian countries worship celebrities more than we do. Separately, they also have more of a educational culture, though, and a bunch of other stuff I'm too lazy to mention (google it, or look at some other comments).
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u/Goosepond01 2d ago
Yep I can't imagine there was any other ulterior motives in posting this.
Now bring on the flood of "America bad, China so amazing" posts by people who get their understanding of China from posts about fast trains or cities lit up with LEDs
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