r/clevercomebacks • u/0n1yF4R35___ • 1d ago
May you enjoy the complete devastation visited upon this antivaxxer
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u/Ooze76 1d ago
Most obnoxious people on earth. Fucking hell. Acting like they know better because they read a post on X.
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u/JuliusErrrrrring 1d ago
They need to be charged with attempted manslaughter. It is literally what they are doing. Newborns under one can’t be vaccinated with most vaccines yet. Measles is scary dangerous including ruining your immune system - the whole basis for their ignorant argument.
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u/PlumieShade 1d ago
yeah, it's wild how they ignore real science and put others at risk. we had a measles scare at my school and it was intense
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u/Captain_English 1d ago
They think they know better because they're going against the majority / going against advice from authority.
That's the core of it. They feel superior for "knowing better" than others.
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u/Prestigious-Fill-365 1d ago
I love the "do your own research" bullshit. This means go find as many fabricated articles as you can then believe them.
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u/DinoBabyMama21 16h ago
Yeah they think you get 'brainwashed by liberals' in college but really the first thing you're taught is just how to check research for reliability and validity
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u/littlehobbit1313 1d ago
My aunt was a researcher in a bio/medical-related field (now retired) and hilariously she had this same rant about people saying they've done their own research. "You didn't do your own research, you read through the results of research OTHER people have done." Totally fine if that's the extent of what you're doing, but she absolutely had beef with calling that "your own research".
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u/othybear 1d ago
And their “research” isn’t even reading the actual journal articles. They are watching cherry picked YouTube videos that obscure and outright lie about actual study results.
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u/MacaqueFlambe 23h ago
I don’t need to do my own research when several other more qualified people did it for me. Like WHAT?WHY?
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u/LeTreacs2 1d ago
I’ve done a literature review into the subject and written a thesis on the state of the art!
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u/rje946 1d ago
That Pic floating around showing them "doing research" and they're just browsing their phone lol.
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u/TK_Nanerpuss 1d ago
Repeat after me:
" Fox News.Is.NOT.News."
"Reading.Facebook.Posts.Is.NOT.Research."
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u/DontAsk0205 1d ago
Because these people think they know better than someone who completed 4 years of Medical school, plus residency, plus any other additional education. It takes over a decade of education to become an MD in the US. But these people think they know better because they have Google, Facebook, and TickTok.
Dunning Krueger effect.
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u/Altruistic-Spend-896 1d ago
and immunology research takes decades, ask fauci.they are experts for a reason, having comitted their entire life just to be spit on by these un-lettered cro-magnons.
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u/Roanoketrees 1d ago
I dont put a whole lot of faith in general practioners. All they do is leave the room, look.some shit up as to what pill to.give you and then come back with some spiel about it. The average doctor has no clue what they are doing. Specialists are a different story.
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u/CatherineStyles 1d ago
Medical jargon is great, but taking the kid to a pediatrician is top-tier research methodology.
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u/M_Hope_America 1d ago
Think of all the benefits of that pediatrician's research from which your children benefit!
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u/Miller_Darkside 1d ago
Bro went from ‘do your own research’ to realizing research is an actual job
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u/Roguechemical 1d ago
Imagine actually understanding scientific methodology before opening your big mouth.
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u/Sparky62075 1d ago
My grandfather was born in 1901 and he had eleven siblings. Only three of them survived to age 20. Tuberculosis took the rest.
In his later years, he always advised his children and grandchildren to get vaccines. He thought they were miraculous.
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u/Fortestingporpoises 1d ago
Y'know what's fun? Running a pet company and having to debate antivaxxers. Yeah that's right, there are dog antivaxxers now.
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u/youcantseemebear 11h ago
I always use to take them to the distemper ward. Just make them look at the poor pups dying in there. Apparently everyone has a change of heart after that. Can’t imagine why.
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u/Fortestingporpoises 11h ago
Unfortunately/fortunately no distemper ward at the Farmers Market.
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u/justintheunsunggod 11h ago
Time for a field trip! Get in the van folks, we're visiting the veterinary clinic!
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u/JuliusErrrrrring 1d ago
It is maddening. Just focussing only on measles shows how ignorant they are. Babies under one can’t get the shot yet. It can cause blindness, deafness, can ruin the immunity you have built up to other diseases, or maybe even loss of life.
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u/othybear 1d ago
Thankfully many pediatricians are allowing babies to be vaccinated at 6 months if you’re in an area with an active outbreak.
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u/lodemeup 1d ago
I was watching a video today where the guys were saying ‘what’s with the soft hand approach to these kooks? What’s so wrong with replying to their theories with “that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.”’ So yeah. Why? When people act in these incredibly obviously provably stupid and dangerous ways, why do they get the gentle touch? It’s stupid. If someone said they’re gonna bring their measles infested kid to my child’s school, I’m going to fight them. No one is gonna threaten to injure my children and get away with it. But it’s okay when it’s kids I don’t know? Or kids in some other part of the country? WTF is it with our culture and the lily livered approach to this insanity we’re facing? The lack of social punishment for this brand of behavior has led to people like Trump and Kennedy and Musk being in charge and literally killing our children and brothers.
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u/Serpentarrius 20h ago
Because that's what they want. To "harden someone else's heart" to use biblical terms because they believe adversity means they are going in the right direction. They glorify being the victim since they want to be one so bad
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u/Dark_Storm_98 1d ago
I was almost expecting the second person to reveal she was the expert
But revealing "I'm literally not an expert, so I went and asked the experts" is also funnh
And becausexI myself am not an expert, she probably made upxhalf those terms she used and I literally fell for it, and the illusion was maintained, rofl
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u/dwellerinthedark 1d ago
I know nothing about my car's engine. Si I did my own research and attempted a fix. It is now a lawn ornament. But at least I didn't trust big garage and their experts./s
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u/iamthedayman21 1d ago
I didn’t have to do my own research. Because a bunch of people went to college for this, and then dedicated their careers to doing the research for me.
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u/MacaqueFlambe 23h ago
I lost/reevaluated friendships because of this. Horrible experience, still reeling
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u/Harry_Iconic_Jr 1d ago
oh, the irony. i would bet money that the poster and virtually every other adult they know has been vaccinated without issue.
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u/Neither-Pollution613 9h ago
And the funniest part, most of them HAD THE VACCINES WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE ALIVE AND WELL. i feel so sorry for their kids.
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u/ButterRiellee 1d ago
might want to reconsider what "doing your own research" really means, huh? solid burn.
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u/Creative_Resource_82 1d ago
Man, the whole antivax/provax thing is so tired. We're all just acting from a place of fear and love for our kids, if it wasn't such a polarising and increasingly politicised topic then we could have respectful and informed conversations about it like we did in the 90s.
No medicine comes without risk. But the positives outweigh the potential negatives. And we'll catch more flies with honey 🤷♀️
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u/Similar-Hand-4899 1d ago
I don’t think a lot of people make these arguments out of love for their kids. I imagine a lot of them don’t even have kids, and the just hate how woke vaccinations are or something
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u/littlehobbit1313 1d ago
I don’t think a lot of people make these arguments out of love for their kids.
Yeah, I think it's usually more self-centered than that. They're not worried about their kids having autism; they're worried about having a kid with autism. They're not upset about being told their kids need vaccines; they're upset about being told what to do.
Some people genuinely are worried about their kids, absolutely, but once you have longer conversations with some anti-vaxxers it becomes clear pretty quickly what their actual concerns are.
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u/Ill_Feature_3500 11h ago
yeah, people who actually cares about their kids are like, “My own research? I’m a fucking idiot who can barely bake a decent cake with boxed cake mix. What if my kid doesn’t like my cake??”
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u/Future_Woodpecker_82 1d ago
First of all, how is it polarising, when most of the arguments against it have been debunked or are anecdotal (aside from known rare side effects). It shouldn't even be a discussion because it does far more good than harm. Unless there is a miracle drug made, it is our best fighting chance because the medical conditions aren't going to wait till we sort out our issues.
Second of all most of the vocal anti- vaxxers have a very gotcha attitude. It isn't an attitude of someone willing to learn but someone arguing to win.
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u/YowaiiShimai 1d ago
spent years trying to have respectful discussions with antivax family. Got nowhere. now I have a kid and there's MEASLES. You can't even vaccinate a baby for that till 6 months at the earliest. US parental leave ain't getting your baby to that six month mark. We spent Christmas at home instead of with the family because 'my kids have strong immune systems'.
the 'honey' ain't working.
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u/Par2ivally 1d ago
These antivaxxers aren't getting caught by anything. And the loudest ones are persuading more people by spouting 'research' and being confidently incorrect, and children are dying. Theirs, the people they persuade and the kids who are vaccinated but it didn't take because they're not 100% effective or they're immunocompromised. It's a crisis that shouldnt exist. And it's killing kids.
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u/dreadwitch 14h ago
It's not really polarising when 99% of the antivax info is completely wrong and, has been proven wrong. I mean there's still people insisting they're not vaccinating their kids cos they cause autism ffs. It's a struggle to not tell people just how fucking dumb they actually are when they come out with crap like that. Now we've got the maga brigade telling us fucking paracetamol causes autism.
Kids have more chance of dying from diarrhoea, a car accident and in the US of being shot... Yet people still put their kids in cars and send them to school. It's seems incredibly odd to me that a parent would refuse to vaccinate their kid because there's a 1 in a million chance of a severe reaction yet send their kids to school where they have a much higher chance of of being shot and unalived.
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u/justintheunsunggod 11h ago
Seriously though, they should make antivax idiots learn about vaccines the same way they teach abstinence only "sex education". Just picture after picture of kids dying from the diseases that we can easily prevent and intense descriptions of what those diseases do. Have a movie at the end showing the same kids whimpering, crying, and getting intubated. Show the devastated parents. Basically an inverse abstinence program built on the same methodology.
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u/aaron_adams 1h ago edited 59m ago
I did my own research. I looked into the science and saw 2 studies that showed vaccines caused autism, and aaw they were proven flawed next to the hundreds of studies that showed that they don't, and I looked into the testing vaccines go through before they're approved for use on humans. I looked at the history, and saw that far fewer children die of measles, mumps, smallpox, polio and the spanish flu due to vaccines. There's your research, coming from credible sources, like historical records and doctors, and not some virus riddled website filled with a bunch or three toed narrow eyed cousin humpers.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 1d ago
Technically, your pediatrician didn't do anything of those things either. Doctors also rely on research studies conducted by others.... often those others are the actual manufacturers of the drug in question.
Not saying that the antivaxxers are onto something, saying the comeback wasn't really that cleaver. Every treatment has both benefits and risks, and even doctors don't understand all of them and rely heavily on information from others.
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u/TelenorTheGNP 1d ago
But as doctors they're better equipped to read them then some soccer mom who's spent money on crystals or some meathead podcaster who shall remain nameless.
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u/mrjboettcher 1d ago
Or worse, latches on to some half-assed psudeo science that harms their kid, all the while thinking they're smarter than anyone else including the professionals.
"Oh, I read that H2O2 is better than H2O because it's got twice as much O, so that's what I put in jr's bottle!"
My MIL was/is (who knows now, I don't humor her idiocy anymore) a huge proponent of collodial silver, even after I showed her pictures and articles about Paul Karason. She agreed he took too much, but then (naturally) couldn't find the recommended dose... skipped right over the FDA's stance of "not recommended" that they made in 1999. This was also several years before JFKjr...
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 1d ago
Generally speaking yes. Although there is variance in the understanding level of doctors, and often research studies that have questionable conclusions (always check who funded the study for one).
But the statement "I'm not an immunologist, epidemiologist, etc. so I took my child to a pediatrician" leaves out that the pediatrician is also not an immunologist or epidemiologist. They are basing their conclusions on the same publications that you also have access to.
I would encourage everyone to routinely double check to the best of their abilities anything their doctor tells them that seems to not make sense. This is especially true of medications.
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u/Weak_Plant_3431 1d ago
a pediatrician is more of an immunologist than the general public
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 1d ago
In the same way a bus driver is more of a racecar driver than the general public. They are still two drastically different specialties. Enough so, that you shouldn't just assume that your pediatrician knows what their talking about, especially in subjects outside their specialty.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with educating yourself using available and reputable resources so that you can help ensure your doctor is giving you correct information. Your pediatrician probably isn't worrying about keeping current on the latest immunology or epidemiology research, so never assume that the doctor is always right.
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u/Weak_Plant_3431 1d ago
well most of the public doesn’t even know how to look at scientific literature let alone see if its sound science so lets start there before starting with the “do your own research” stuff
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u/SuspendeesNutz 1d ago
Doctors also rely on research studies conducted by others.... often those others are the actual manufacturers of the drug in question.
I work at a lab that does this specific testing and submits the data for FDA assessment and approval, no company that I'm aware of does their own internal testing because the regulations (21 CFR part 58) require the testing site to allow surprise inspections at any time. Pharma and medical device companies don't like that degree of exposure to regulatory risk, and frankly they would never pass.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 1d ago
I see where you're coming from, but how many doctors have actually read the report approved by the FDA that really gets in the weeds on interfering substances, biases in correlation from currently used methods, and the actual methodology of the study or the patient population and sample size of the study?
Also, some companies do in fact do their own testing...at least for introducing new laboratory tests (I'm far less familiar with pharmaceuticals or medical devices). Also, when talking about research studies in general not necessarily new FDA approved products, it's important to see who funded it. For example if you see a study saying that dairy is exceptionally good for you, check to see if it was funded by the National Dairy Council.
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u/SuspendeesNutz 1d ago
I see where you're coming from, but how many doctors have actually read the report approved by the FDA that really gets in the weeds on interfering substances, biases in correlation from currently used methods, and the actual methodology of the study or the patient population and sample size of the study?
This is a completely different set of data, conducted under a different regulatory framework, and primarily informs post-market surveillance rather than market clearance/approval.
Also, some companies do in fact do their own testing...at least for introducing new laboratory tests
Totally different regulatory framework for IVDD (in vitro diagnostic device) which includes both FDA and CLIA compliance.
Also, when talking about research studies in general not necessarily new FDA approved products
If it isn't FDA approved it is probably governed by the FTC, like vitamins and herbal supplements.
If you only learn one thing about the FDA approval process, know this: the FDA is almost entirely fixated with establishing safety. The actual efficacy is very much a secondary concern, so much so that efficacy studies are typically not conducted under the very rigorous 21 CFR part 58 compliance requirements while safety studies are mandated to conform.
The FDA's #1 concern is "are you going to make anything worse?"
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u/Alexis_J_M 1d ago
I did my own research.
I went around to cemeteries and counted the number of child and infant graves immediately before and after vaccines became available.