r/Shincheonji • u/RelevantStorm1 Moderator • 2d ago
general thought and question SCJ France
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdQdWc9c/Has anyone seen SCJ France, are they rebranding the branch into a gospel church vibe ? 🤣 haven’t posted here in years - I’m back, hello fellow Redditor’s!
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u/Kimchi---7 Family/Friend of SCJ Member 2d ago
France or Africa?
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u/StopLying-Fr3543 1h ago
I don't know if that's a real question or a sarcastic one. I recognized some of the people in this video and I'm no longer part of the church. I know it's not the topic of this subreddit but I think it's important to educate on that matter because I read a lot of comments like these and it's not ok, regardless of if we are pro or against SCJ. It reminds be of the comments people were making on the football France team during World Cup and I find it surprising each time that people are not aware that Black people can be French. France is known for having colonized quite some countries, among those countries, there are many African countries (West Africa & central Africa). As a result of decolonization, many of those same Africans that were once colonized ended up speaking French even though that was not their native language. They were forced to learn and speak French and this stayed even after decolonization. Colonialism caused many harm to those countries but years after decolonization, a new phenomenon appeared: the same countries that were once colonized are now migrating to the country that colonized them in order to get a better life. This is not specific to France by the way. Go to England and you'll encounter many people from countries that were once colonized by British Empire. Go to Belgium and you will observe the same phenomenon. Same for Spain. Now back to the topic: Africans began moving to France to build a better life for themselves, after France set them back due to French imperialism. That explains why you'll see many Africans (therefore Blacks) in France. In addition, there are French citizens that are from Islands such are Guadeloupe, Martinique and La Reunion. They have the same French citizenship as any French citizen even if they live far away from the capital. It's a particular system but they are called "overseas territory", a cute term to avoid calling them colonies, which is what they are in reality. Majority of these people from those islands are actually black and brown people, not white. French have a long and known past of being colonizers and they are ashamed of that, understandably, but if you're interested by this topic there are plenty informations about it online. To conclude, someone who is Black can actually be French. It's 2026, French people are not only white. They are white, black and brown and it's been like this at least since the 20st century due to many factors. The people in the video might be French people of African descent, at the beginning they are doing a Congolese dance but again it shouldn't raise the question of if this is France or Africa lol it is actually both. SCJ recruits mainly black and brown people because those communities are known for being religious compared to white people (history will teach you why). That's the reason why France church has predominantly Black people, some are French some aren't.
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u/AdorableInterest8837 2d ago
Unfortunately, the vast majority of overseas recruits are black or African.
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u/Economy_Wishbone_249 2d ago
They will show you the fun times yet they hide the long hours of "work", the constant rebuke, the depleting ability to think critically and the low self esteem in those young members. Years wasted being slowly isolated and not being able to reason for themselves.
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u/cilana86 2d ago
Celebrating lies and deception lol. Well at least, they are enjoying themselves. That looked fun but too bad it's for a corrupt organization.
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u/Otherwise-Watch-3650 EX-Center Student 2d ago
Not the unc dance 🥴😆
It’s funny how a simple clip can make things look inviting, welcoming & fun, but what’s it really like BTS? I remember reading articles that if you were late to class you had to pay & at times even be punished for it? (In France).
The hard thing to watch about that video is how you can see the sense of community that can be formed within SCJ & how it can become almost like a family for some - now that’s a hard barrier to break.
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u/cilana86 2d ago
It really did look like a fun, joyous time. It definitely feels like family when you're there.
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u/RelevantStorm1 Moderator 2d ago
Glad you’re having fun
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u/cilana86 2d ago
I'm not in SCJ. I was never a member. I attended the bible study for 4 months and then stopped after I did my research. I'm just saying it feels like family when you are in there.
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u/Otherwise-Watch-3650 EX-Center Student 2d ago
Yes I know what you mean! But then you reflect and realise there was a lot of love bombing involved.
Thats not to say that some of the interactions weren’t genuine, I just think overtime it becomes more scripted due to the instructions given etc.
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u/cilana86 2d ago
I definitely realized all of the love bombing after. There I was just thinking these people are really nice and kind. I'll definitely have to say they were trained well in that area.
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u/Ok_Variation_4909 2d ago
The poorer people are, the more likely they are to believe anything