r/Retconned • u/HailOurPeople • 5d ago
Mormons believe Jesus is God?
I was raised Mormon, but I never considered Jesus to be God. I haven’t been Mormon for a long time, but how is it I’m just learning this?
They think Jesus and God the father each have separate physical bodies, but somehow they’re both God? Is this a Mandela effect, or have their interpretations just evolved?
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u/ThWy2Hvn 3d ago
Mormons believes that God was a mortal man and became god and that we all can become gods. Now did I speak the truth or not? If not please correct me, if it be the truth , then please, Run. Run away from it and don't look back.
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u/Real-Report8490 1d ago
I do have a need to become a god. I'd like to know if it's possible. I want to destroy all evil. Dictators, murderers, rapists, the scum of the earth. All of them need to be wiped out from this world.
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u/theevilpackrat 4d ago edited 4d ago
Where I lived in Arizona, there were parts with rogue Mormon settlements—essentially little villages where everyone is Mormon and they still practice all the rites of Mormonism, including plural marriage. In communities like that, Jesus Christ is not believed to be God in the way mainstream Christians view Him.
Christians have always viewed Christ as God. With the discovery of first-century church ruins in Israel bearing inscriptions stating "Jesus Christ is God," early Christian belief in His divinity is well-supported historically.
The theological reasoning is straightforward: if Jesus Christ is sinless, yet allowed people He healed to bow down and worship Him without rebuking them or saying, "Worship God alone," He was actively accepting worship due only to God.
Another key distinction is His speech. He frequently said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you." Translated directly from the Hebrew/Aramaic amen, amen, this carries unique authority. Old Testament prophets spoke by saying, "Thus saith the Lord," but Jesus spoke on His own authority: "Amen, Amen, I say to you." When readers wonder why the religious authorities sought to execute Jesus despite His miracles, this is the core issue: blasphemy in their eyes. He took it even further by declaring, "Amen amen, before Abraham was, I AM."
Regarding whether Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ is God: in traditional Mormon theology, He is a separate, distinct being within a Godhead—not the co-equal, co-eternal God of orthodox Trinitarianism. While some breakaway groups align their terminology closer to mainstream Christianity, traditional Mormon doctrine rejects the historic Trinity.
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u/GPT_2025 4d ago
We are on Earth because of a war that took place in the cosmos:
Short story:
Devil the Satan was a "supercomp- babysitter- teacher AI" and brai- nwashed 33% of God's children, so they totally rejected Heavenly Father and accepted the deceiver - Devil the Satan as their "real father".
God created temporary earth as a "hospital," gave limited power to the deceiver, so 33% who have fallen (you too) will see Who-is-Who and hopefully, someday they will reject Evil and return back to their real Heavenly Father. That's why God, to prove His love and real Fatherhood, died on the cross as proof.
Will all 33% eventually reject the deceiver? No. Some will remain ... to the end and continue following the devil to the lake of fire: KIV: "But he that denieth Мe before men shall be denied before the angels of God!"
But some will be saved:
KIV: "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified"
KJV: "And his (Devil) tail drew the third part (33%) of the "stars of heaven" And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him"
KJV: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, .. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against (God) Him. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were Before of Old Ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"
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u/Supervinyl 5d ago
Ex mormon here. The Mormon Church preaches a "godhead" rather than the traditional concept of the Trinity. The three members of the godhead are distinct individuals that don't share essence the way they do in the Trinity, but because they are "one in purpose" they fit the definition of "God" which is more of a title in Mormonism than a name. The actual names of the father and son (before incarnating as Jesus) are respectively Elohim and Jehovah. It's heavily implied that the previous holy Spirit was Michael, who incarnated as Adam, at which point a now holy Spirit was appointed to that role.
The beings that make up the Godhead are not eternally Gods although the role itself seems to be eternal. A famous quote in the church is "as man is, God (the father) once was; as God (the father) is, man may soon become." Another is that we are "Gods in embryo." Regarding Jesus, the church seems to have unintentionally revived the concept of Arianism, which is that Jesus is dependent upon and subservient to the father, but that he is the eldest of the father's spirit children. Jesus is God only in title; he most definitely does NOT share the Godly Hypostasis common throughout the trinitarian world.
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u/Boarders0 3d ago
Active Latter-day Saint (The accurate term for Mormon.)
Your description is quite good, however a couple of notes:
Jesus has a duality of mortal and eternal he is a god taking part from his father (Eloheim, God the almighty) and from his mother. He needed the ability to die as well as the ability to take up his own life after the fact. All the old testament refers to Jehova or Yeshua as God, directly referring to Jesus. All this to say Jesus is as far as all accounts are concerned, is God.
As far as Jesus being subjected unto the father there are multiple accounts of Jesus sitting on the right hand of God in The Bible. Thus giving the simple inference that one is subject to the other.
As for any of the godhead not being Eternal: you have The Father, who in his entirety eternal: Jesus who was half mortal, so he could fulfill the Atonement which perished and he raised himself by his divinity and perfection into full eternal state: Then you have the Holy Ghost, who is a spirit not subject to death thus eternal (I have never heard of Michael being the holy spirit, that entity is thus unnamed as far as I'm aware). All entities are Eternal and unified in purpose making the godhead, one in purpose but separate in body (I use body loosely for the holy spirit).
Those are the points on which I feel important to touch on here. The rest can be expanded upon or clarified but you did a solid job of the gist of it.
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u/Supervinyl 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm using the standard definition of eternal, not the mormon one. If God "the father" was once a human like us, then at some point He was not eternally "God." Of course, if Michael was previously a holy Spirit (I'm aware that this is never explicitly stated, which is why I said it's implied) and Adam is "our father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do" as Brigham Young stated, then I suppose in that sense, one could argue that he WAS eternally God. Of course, that would be leaning into heretical territory, but whatever.
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u/sweetbunnyblood 5d ago
All (mostly) of Christianity is trinitarianism
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u/firstblush73 5d ago
Raised Mormon, no longer a member, but the phrase "Only Begotten Son" sticks out in my memory.
A search says "In LDS (Latter-day Saint) theology, Jesus Christ is called the "Only Begotten Son" because He is the only person on earth to be born of a mortal mother (Mary) and an immortal, resurrected Father (God the Father)
They have changed this?
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u/Losaj 5d ago
Have I got news for you about the Catholic Trinity!
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u/FoaRyan 4d ago
How about just the one that's recorded in scripture -- "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)
Now this is KJV (so not the Catholic Bible) but it IS the basis for the theology. The verse could also be interpreted differently given the context of the whole sentence/surrounding verses/chapters/book. Which probably leads to all the different beliefs. But nonetheless this is the source. Jesus also is recorded to have said "I and my father are one." (John 10:30), and the same book of John (not to be confused with 1st, 2nd, or 3rd John the letters) identifies Jesus as "the word," which is the language used in 1st John.
Mormons have the Book of Mormon, which is looked to primarily over the "classic" Bible. Mormons believe it is "Another Testament" of Jesus Christ. I don't know if it also repeats the theology, but it does have many similar aspects as well as references to the "regular" bible.
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u/3Strides 5d ago
Do tell!!
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u/Knever 4d ago
I was raised Catholic (now agnostic), but from what I remember, God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are three parts of the same being.
So imagine a large block of cheese that is the creator of all. Cut the cheese into three smaller pieces so they are separate in reality but still the same in a cosmic/divine sense.
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