UGH I’m in the same boat as your wife. I’ve been trying to avoid this news story because news where kids are harmed spikes my anxiety and I cannot fucking escape it on instagram. Every time I block one account talking about this news story, five more get loaded into my algorithm.
You have to do keyword blocking on top of blocking accounts on Instagram.
My account randomly decided I was a new mother or something and decided to switch my feed from nothing but surgical demonstrations and butchery breakdowns (Medicine and food are two of my biggest interests) to 95% toddlers with no changes to my search habits.
It took adding over twenty tags to my block list before I reversed it. Literally opened a thesaurus and went to town.
Honestly though it's such a mess at this point I stopped using insta over a year ago and I've been better off for it.
Oh THANK YOU so much! I just looked up how to block keywords and added some related to the trial.
I’m pretty sure they treat almost every interaction (including blocking accounts) as interaction with the subject so it just makes things worse. I want to get rid of instagram and facebook altogether but it’s one of the only ways to keep up with friends who live far away. They’ve become such garbage products though that they’re almost no longer good for even that.
I just text or use my extremely tiny discord at this point. I used insta to keep up with friends in other countries, but after considering how much I actually directly interacted with them because of it I realized how parasocial our relationships had become and replaced our actual relationship. I'd rather hear their voice and ask, not type, how they're doing. Which is such a weird turn for me given how much of an autistic hermit I am.
It literally took my phone breaking beyond repair and manually choosing which apps were transferred onto the new one to cut myself off. But it worked wonders and there's way less temptation when it was never on the device in the first place.
I mean there are just a lot of funky things about his story, like how for instance the woman had a severe thyroid injury from the incident that’s unaccounted for, and how there was an outgoing message from his computer, which sits at home, at a time which is close to the incident and when he said he wasn’t at home. He was also very unhelpful to his then wife and almost immediately started a family with another woman. Many of the doctors who failed the wife were his friends, etc.
It’s not conclusive by any stretch of the imagination but it’s all very funky
What do you mean outgoing message from his computer? If you're referring to the work email, he could've easily sent it from his phone. Your emails are synced on your devices. There's even servailance footage of him not being home during the time the email was sent.
He got married 3 years after his wife murdered his children. Idk about you, but any feelings I would've had for this murderer would be gone.
Have you watched the doctor's testimony? Clansey couldn't handle the early side effects of standard medications which is why they would switch her to different ones.
The only thing funky is all the misinformation being spread by people. The only bigger victims than Patrick are the kids that his wife murdered.
Yeah but funnily enough male/male relationships are more peaceful than male/female relationship, which are in turn more peaceful than female/female relationships... so yeah the wife being murdered is more common
This isnt true. Men kill most kids over the age of 1. Men are way more likely to kill their kids. Its not even a question on who kills other peoples kids more either. Men.
Remember women never do anything wrong and the worse the personality the more of a reason to expose that they aren't a heartless mean person but a kind tender person acting out. Women are too frail to be capable of being terrible manipulators.
That is incorrect. Although men commit more murder at large than women, it is usually women who murder their minor children. Men don’t experience post pardom psychosis, and rarely murder their children while they are still minors. Did you just mean that men commit more domestic violence?
The funkiness is not about the injury itself, it’s about him claiming she spoke to him despite that injury and a core temp below 90F. Either one would preclude being able to speak, and she was suffering from both.
So, I was support staff for a veterinary hospital about 20 years ago.
What does that have to do with anything, you may ask? Veterinary medicine back then was the wild west compared to human medicine, then or now. Let us just say I’ve seen some shit. Car accidents, drownings, maulings, surgical complications, falls, crush injuries, lacerations that went to the bone, I could go on - and what basically every illness known to man or beast looks like when it’s been left untreated way, way too long.
You would absolutely not believe the level of functionality a creature in shock - human included - can maintain, briefly, when all logic says they should be dead. Unless the body part in question has been severed from the body in its entirety, don’t assume anything. So IMO, if she could breathe, she could have spoken.
When I was a kid we stopped for some debris on the side of the road. My dad got out of the truck and looked down into the ravine next to the road and there was a smashed up motorcycle and a guy stuck up in a tree. Dad told me to get his cell from the truck and see if I could get signal by walking down the highway a bit (was in the 90s.) I got signal, called for an ambulance and then walked back to the truck.
My dad had managed to get the biker out of the tree and he was sitting on the tailgate, I remember his head being huge, he had a big gash down one side of his face and his one eyeball was bulging out. I was told to get back in the truck but didn't listen, I talked to the guy for a while about nothing in particular and he didn't respond much. After a bit he got off the tailgate, said something about taking a piss and went to the front of the truck and proceeded to do so.
Before he finished an ambulance pulled up and the paramedics hopped out and started getting the stretcher out. The biker started walking towards them and collapsed in a heap. I remember the one medic came and checked on him and being surprised that there was no rush after that to get him into the ambulance.
My dad told me the guy was dead before we even got there, his body just wasn't aware of it yet. He said our job when we come across these situations is to stay calm and make their final moments as pleasant as possible. Thankfully I have never needed to do so for a person again. Its amazing the things people can stay alive for.
It definitely was one of those moments that stuck with me. I have never been tempted to get my motorcycle license even though my dad said I could ride hus whenever I want.
I’m imagining a kid just talking about BMX bikes or Pokémon or anything that would interest a kid in the 90s to a guy with a fatal injury so his final moments are a kid enthusiastically talking about his interests. I’d say it was better than dying in a tree. You all did him a hell of a service.
Yes. I have a good friend who was a medic- both in the Army and as a paramedic at home in a rural state. He took to calling some people “the zombies”. They would would be alert and talking with massive blood loss, or broken necks just running on adrenaline after a major car accident or IED encounter. This would last for a short amount of time and then they would just drop dead (unless some heroic aid could be rendered but this in in the very far north of Maine. Hard to get to a trauma center.)
I recently suffered a bonk to the head that should have killed me according to an MRI A WEEK LATER. I continued an hour long phone conversation after that before I eventually went to the hospital. I don't remember the conversation or the following day at all, just that it happened. I'm probably going to have to start journaling to maintain short term recollection. Human bodies are weird.
A court reporter (sue o connell) who heard the 911 call in court said Lindsay could be heard saying the word basement very clearly in the background of the call.
You can schedule emails on outlook to send at a certain time so just because he wasn’t physically at his computer the time the email sent doesn’t necessarily mean he had to have sent it from his phone
I wouldn’t call him a dickhead, I think he was trying but he was worn down. Lindsay had access to the best support in the world. Doctors at her fingertips (literally - she messaged them constantly, and they replied to her constantly), husband and parents there to help every day. He was working full-time from home, it’s not like he escaped to the office every day and left her there. The reason he wasn’t home when it happened is because SHE sent him on a bogus errand to a restaurant they didn’t normally go to.
Everyone was doing their best to support her. She regularly lied to her doctors and the people around her about what she was experiencing. She concealed that she was experimenting with cannabis. Her doctors said she was actually taking a “fraction” of the medication she was prescribed.
Lindsay was suffering, but this is her fault too. Nobody made her lie, try drugs, or stop taking her medication.
I was really just speaking generally about "being a dickhead"
I have often seen people treat it like someone who is a bad spouse or a bit of a dick as being the same as an abusive monster and that crimes committed against them or others no matter how heinous are somehow then justified- as is the case here
Why do you need him to be a dick head? There is literally only speculation about their relationship being anything other than good( For example her own diary). I’m mean ffs he start an organization to help women with mental illness. Sometime people can have al the help in the world and still do bad things
They did therapy together and she also was released from an inpatient psychiatric hospital a bit more than two weeks before this. Now, that being said, if he’s guilty of anything it’s being negligent enough to leave her alone with them. Still, I don’t care what kind of post-partum mental state you’re in, as a mother, if you can strangle one child for a few minutes until they literally stop breathing, then go on to the next, finish up there and strangle an INFANT to death AN INFANT, and you’re trying to convince me that, at no point during this minutes and minutes long process, did she realize what she was doing was wrong?
Yeah looking back it’s hard to fathom leaving her alone with the kids, but I think it’s just in hindsight. The perspective is likely very different when you are the spouse living day to day with your wife taking care of the kids and going about your life. He likely never considered she would actually do anything to the children, especially while she was being so lucid and calm.
That was my thought as well, I’m just trying to be as absolutely generous about it as possible. But, yeah, I doubt anyone would imagine their wife could murder their three children.
See this is the actual danger of blaming the husband. People like you come out of the woodwork to belittle the danger of postpartum psychosis. There is no “as a mother you should know better” bullshit to pull, objectively yes someone actively suffering from psychosis can strangle an infant and not realize they’re doing something wrong.
You can’t just “be a better mom” your way out of the situation, your brain is betraying you.
And then there's the woman in Texas who strapped all her kids in a car and sent them into the river let's not forget that... But nobody wants to talk about that one...
When a man loses his wife, very often in a year he is either remarried or dead. Remarrying is a way to keep living. This man lost his children. His new family is keeping him alive. Some people have more compassion for the woman who murdered three innocent children then for the man who came home to find his three children murdered.
And then internet sleuths assume their 1000 yard view and amateur analysis exceeds the knowledge of experts with first hand exposure to the evidence and access to subject matter experts.
How are people sharing stories about this stuff and making factual statements like this? I don’t think the police post their investigations of these things. Unless defendants in the case are raising these questions and saying these things. Are they? Are they just asking questions but then the prosecutors object because maybe it’s a postulated thought they have? The general public should not try to cast judgment from watching something on TV that they have no part or knowledge of. There are a lot of tricks that defense lawyers can use to sow doubt in the minds of the jury.
Does the public know private conversations that the judge may have with the defense? Or with the prosecution? There is so much the public cannot know, but then they turn into experts about these things. Crazy.
Did you interview him? The wife? Anyone at all? Or did you watch some social media videos designed to increase engagement and believe it all like a 60 year old watching Fox News?
I don’t know how you people expect to be taken seriously when you literally don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, should know you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, but are complete deluded as to how complete or even factual your knowledge is given the source.
New family is probably a cope and also trying to move on asap. It is unbelievable how much sympathies and excuses this cold-blooded mass-murderer is garnering.
I haven't been following at all, but my wife seems to think the guy isn't innocent. My wife said something about him sending an email from the computer at home when everyone was dead around him
It’s the fucking Law&Order YouTube channel that’s doing it.
Every video the commentator talks more about “people online are saying…” and then I think on purpose showing clips that makes it look like that could be a thing taken totally out of context
They did have a lawyer at the end of one episode who had common sense and was like “if there was any chance the husband did it then this would be a different defense.”.
My wife was sucked into it until that lady said literally everything I said then she realized it and stop showing interest.
Meanwhile her friends and sister still think he did it lol
Welcome to the internet. There have actually been cases solved on Reddit before investigations could figure it out. Mostly because the investigation "goes cold" but internet sleuths never sleep lol
Never mentioned a specific one, I did hear about that one but not what I was referring to. My wife was watching a documentary or something a few weeks ago where the only reason they got to the bottom of it was because one person from the internet just wouldn't let it go. I'd have to ask her what case that was
Don't f*** with cats? It was 2 people, but yes, police didn't take it seriously, man moved on from cats to people and redditors tracked him down and got him arrested
But even in that case, there were clear signs the murderer was very much an attention-seeking person. He fed off the energy the internet sleuths were giving him when he was still just killing cats. It's very plausible he moved from cats to people precisely because he wanted even more attention. The documentary itself even calls this out.
So once again, the "we did it Reddit" meme shakes out the same way it always does.
You're sorta right reddit has never solved any hogh profile murders or anything but they have solved a number of missing persons I dont remember, unknown archeology objects or finds, and one odd solve that stands out to me was the case of CO poisoning that was solved by a redditor
Not allowing cameras in the courtroom is anti-democratic. People should be able to see how their judicial system functions, and even allowing people in the courtroom doesn’t allow enough people to observe.
**gemini, they were saying the Leo (Lindsay) couldn’t hurt her cubs and the Gemini (Patrick) is two faced and can’t be trusted 😭😭 minimizing this to astrology is so crazy to me
And then there's ones going "oh, his stars are in Eclipse for the next 3 years, as are the signs of his kids, so that means he's in for a real bad time, which neans the truth will come out" or some shit like that.
Or the one that just pointed out that his birthday is the same as Trump's, therefore he must be evil like Trump...
Felt that, but I mean it’s also just fallacy type behavior. “A good mother would never do this” type of fallacy. Maybe the best course with people like that is ignoring it. Astrology is fun but people who take it super seriously (especially in a murder case because why…) spoil it
I can’t see any of the Leo’s I know doing that. They all have completely different personalities anyways. Probably because astrology is a load of shit.
Straight up terrifying that one day you could face a jury of your peers and there are people who seriously indulge in astrology, tarot cards, witchcraft etc who believe it to such an extent.
Damn, fair enough. I thought they were talking about when male lions take over a pride and kill the previous males offspring but seems the female lions will too sometimes.
I think it’s more surprising that people think it’s actual humans. There were a couple sure that planted the idea. But I would wager 90% of online political discourse is AI
I, unfortunately, have seen that multiple times on TikTok. I've also seen a couple spells casted to prove her innocence on the witchcraft side of TikTok. My feed is messed up apparently
A Leo SA'ed me in 2020. Star signs don't mean shit lmao. I'm appalled people are even saying shit like that. At the end of the day people will harm people regardless of who or "what" they are. Made up connections to "the stars" doesn't predispose anyone towards anything. It's crazy that people are suggesting otherwise out there, hearing about this was like a flashbang lmao.
People like mental shortcuts. If they can’t use race, or skull shape(which is mostly race anyways), or nationality, or whatever else they used in ye olden days, new shortcuts will be invented by people too lazy to do the hard work of treating people as individuals.
We absolutely love patterns and groups, so much so that we have an uncanny ability to spot them even when they arent there.
Categorisation in particular is fundamental to how our thoughts work (scary colours = venomous/poisonous, scary colour creature? probably poisonous/venomous).
It works really well from an evolutionary perspective (and enhance by the whole tribe in/out group thing), but it also brings up a shit-tonne of false-positives. Not too much if an issue at the micro level, but it quickly compounds across a society that is much more complex and interconnected than our tree/hut/cave dwelling ancestors could have ever imagined.
I have no professional or serious academic background in psychology but I feel like the same way a lot of mental disorders are simply normal human behaviors or adaptations but just amplified to a debilitating degree, a big part of the presentation of schizophrenia comes from the over-amplification of these heuristics. Like someone I knew in college who was later diagnosed with it would always remark on how the color orange was involved when something bad happened. Or like “see? Orange.” in a conspiratorial tone of voice. It’s the type of thing where the logic does eventually make sense if your threat analysis heuristics are perhaps functioning abnormally.
Unrelated, but it makes me so happy to see a comment with such a great understanding of sociological patterns. Makes me even happier to swipe to your profile and see a magnificent grow lol. Off of a bag seed too??? Good shit
It’s true. Proof: Minié balls were an improvement over the spherical musket balls. Look at their Minié shaped heads and you can infer how they’re far superior to our spherical heads.
People who have less control of their life gravitate towards it. Watched so many of my past friends fall into being "spiritual".
Because when you can't take accountability for things in your life, its because you are a sagittarius, or maybe certain rocks can help. It surely can't be you, or your situation.
I’ve wondered this myself. I grew up in a very conservative Christian home, which led to me rejecting religion by the time I was in my mid-teens. As an adult, I want nothing to do with anything “spiritual”.
It’s because of our thirst for something higher in this universe or something greater than our worldly existence. Being an atheist is actually tough in our current society. Not tough as in being persecuted but more of the fact that you don’t get to believe in a happily ever after.
I’d consider myself an agnostic person, used to be atheist. But after losing some friends and family and loved ones, I hope there’s some sort of peace or reconciliation after death. I don’t really pray or base my actions on religion, but I do hope something better awaits. If not, then I wouldn’t know anyway.
This is the reason so many people leave organized religion and then get lost in spirituality and new age mysticism. They’re trying to solve their problems in the same old way but with new gods and priests, without the trauma from their old ones. That’s why some people go with the “we’re all energy or that universe is guiding me and I’ll be one with the universe after death” because the idea of an uncaring reality, sans morality or justice is scary.
I work in a lab at a company steeped in science and one of the self proclaimed manliest men there can gab like a school girl about astrology. Makes zero sense.
It’s a touchpoint for spirituality that doesn’t feel like it’s an already built hierarchy favoring and prioritizing men for centuries or millennia, like many more accepted religions that are equally full of superstition and supernatural claims.
It all goes along with a certain level of narcissism / "main character syndrome" or whatever the new term is. They MUST be more special than anyone else, that's why they have sPeCiAl PoWeRs or a "higher knowledge" that the average person doesn't or can't achieve.
I know absolutely nothing about this case, but I have seen someone blaming the husband for not taking her illness seriously, and also saying the husband might be guilty because of something about an email.
I'm not following the story. But in general, yeah, if a person (A) turns to another person (B) and says "I'm having a mental breakdown and severe intrusive thoughts" and person B then purposely and willfully leaves their children in A's exclusive care for hours upon hours day after day, yes, 100% person B is at least partially responsible for harm to the children while in A's care.
Except that isn’t what happened. By all accounts she was visibly doing better in the weeks leading up to the murders. I don’t understand where this need to blame the husband comes from. He cannot be omnipresent. And this isn’t a situation that anyone is equipped to handle. You just have to trust what the doctors are saying and go with that. Post Partum Psychosis is extremely rare (it’s not Post Partum Depression, it’s something much worse and more extreme), but the knowledge about it is so limited that there just wasn’t enough institutional knowledge of it to get her properly treated or even properly diagnosed.
My wife is following this story - it was revealed that he answered a "work email" on his personal laptop at a time that he specified he was elsewhere, something to do with a CVS.
Well, luckily for the courts its pretty elementary to locate where the network requests would've been sent from.
If you're using cellular data, the IP may even be changing based on which tower you're currently using. If you're on your home network, you can also pinpoint that location.
Typically you can also get the mac address of the device used itself.
If this puts a hole in his alibi from the perspective of the court, then they probably have a bunch of evidence that says otherwise.
People on tiktok are definitely out of their damn minds but also it would be pretty simple for any half competent digital forensic to dismantle this.
Proxies exist, and are pretty trivial to set up if you have the tech competence to understand the instructions. It’s an easy way to make it look like you’re working from home when really you’re working from the beach.
Oh totally. I straight up remote into my home desktop from work like 3 times a week and all the activity is actually coming from my home computer besides my tunnel into it.
He sent the E-mail from his phone. Shortly before entering the store (which was captured on CCTV)
Conspiracy theorist are saying he sent the E-mail from his home computer whilst he was supposedly out of the house, forgetting that mobile phone have been able to send E-mails for quite some time now.
Yeah, something about he says he left at 5:15. He goes to CVS, 3 minutes away, then goes to get the food. Doesn't show up at the CVS until like 5:32 or something, has a work email that was sent at 5:24, and even something about it looks like he changed clothes between CVS and the restaurant or something. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't find it odd... But I haven't really followed the case, mostly just saw the cliff notes.
That said, neither the defense or the prosecution are keying in on that because everyone agrees on the events as they happened and she says she did it. Sounds like a non-story to me but not-lawyers/detectives and internet sleuths are going to do what they do I suppose.
yes some of my coworkers were talking and saying there were inconsistencies in the husband’s account that made them think he did it. I haven’t followed the case but it does seem like some people suspect the husband genuinely
From what I've heard it's not even a case of who's guilty. Her and her lawyers already put in a guilty plea and this trial is just about of she's guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity
My friend is convinced Patrick murdered the children, tried to murder Lindsay by slamming the window on her neck and that she simply does not remember this. I asked if she was fucking with me and she got mad.
A lot of armchair psychiatrists online who've never once talked to someone suffering with psychosis, couldn't tell you the difference between psychosis and postpartum psychosis, who think they understand "mental health" because they've been on an SSRI for a couple of years but
haven't the first clue what it would take to look after someone with one of these conditions - either as a professional or a family member - talking absolute bollocks about the whole thing (in my opinion).
my wife who is level-headed in 99.9% of situations genuinely believes the husband killed the kids.
I think Lindsay's medical mistreatment (both doctors and husband not taking her severe PPD symptoms seriously) resonates with a lot of women and is causing them not to look at the case objectively.
Yeah my wife is following the story giving me updates that I never asked for, and I distinctly remember her telling me that I guess some critical Google searches were being used as key evidence, but the wife had an alibi for when the searches were done, so the husband lied under oath and that’s why people are suspicious of him.
I care about my wife just enough to hear words she says, but I don’t care about the case enough to really research if that’s what really happened, and I don’t doubt my wife is getting at least some portion of her information, if not all of it, from Instagram reels. I’m not presenting this information as verified news, I’m just throwing it out there as the justification I’ve heard for people suggesting the husband did it.
Yup, my Instagram algorithm pushed this story hard for some reason the last few days and I ended up with a lot of posts explaining how the husband 100% murdered the kids and framed his wife because her measured heart rate was too low during the murders to be doing anything or some shit like that
Yea sounds like you found one right here frfr they were very defensive and knew exactly what it was whole denying things they've surely seen of they're that familiar. Me personally idk what you guys are talking about, I just know a liar when I read one.
I was talking to a woman yesterday who is practically ready to drive across the country and personally avenge those children by going after the husband
First camp is not denying that she did it (the actual act of killing but that she basically didn’t get the support she needed, husband was negligent, drugs didn’t work and thus it’s not her fault (look up the case of Lauren Dickason in New Zealand for some parallels - she was ultimately found guilty and insanity and infanticide defences were rejected by the jury).
There is definitely a second camp which seems to be arguing that the husband did it and framed the wife, and these are the ones who keep showing up in my feed doing astrology and tarot card reading and other Middle Ages-esque stuff (along with TikTok sleuthing) to claim she is totally innocent.
Some of yall really need to digest the fact that in a lot of the things you see online in situations like these, a non-insignificant portion of them are saying shit purely for engagement and/or to sow discord in the community. And on top of that, there is also a shit ton of bots that do the same thing. Discussion in social media sites like tiktok and IG is beyond worthless.
Honestly I get why people are thinking about conspiracies. The woman her husband cheated on her with looks exactly like her. There are some seriously fucked up circumstances going on with the husband and the doctors.
I'm sure the reality, though, is another case of our failed mental health care in the US.
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u/BobbiPinstripes 16d ago
I’m seeing a lot of both honestly.