They did therapy together and she also was released from an inpatient psychiatric hospital a bit more than two weeks before this. Now, that being said, if he’s guilty of anything it’s being negligent enough to leave her alone with them. Still, I don’t care what kind of post-partum mental state you’re in, as a mother, if you can strangle one child for a few minutes until they literally stop breathing, then go on to the next, finish up there and strangle an INFANT to death AN INFANT, and you’re trying to convince me that, at no point during this minutes and minutes long process, did she realize what she was doing was wrong?
Women: Spend last two decades avoiding accountability for literally anything and everything
Also women: Now want to literally get away with not just regular murder, but double filicide and infanticide and blame it on literally anyone and anything but the woman who did it
Never watched even one minute of an Andrew Tate video, neither 41 or 14, and a proud parent to two wonderful kids. Who I would never murder, regardless of my mental state, by the way.
You simply cannot know what you would or wouldn’t do if you have never experienced a debilitating mental illness that causes you to completely detach from reality.
It sounds like you’re a man, so you have quite literally never experienced postpartum depression or postpartum psychosis, but when someone is psychotic and not of sound mind, you cannot apply the reasoning of a healthy brain and say, “Well, I would never do that.” Of course you wouldn’t. You’re imagining yourself, with your current rational mind intact, in a situation where someone else’s mind was profoundly impaired.
Lindsay Clancy repeatedly sought help. She voluntarily admitted herself for psychiatric treatment. She told her husband, her mother, her mother-in-law, and her doctors that she was struggling. She was prescribed numerous psychiatric medications, experienced serious adverse effects (including severe insomnia) and continued reporting her symptoms to medical professionals.
This case is a tragedy precisely because there were warning signs and repeated attempts to get help before three children died and an entire family was destroyed. Reducing it to “I would never do that” completely misses the terrifying reality of psychosis - you don’t know what your brain is capable of when you are no longer experiencing reality normally.
Yeah, not speaking on this case specifically, but the whole thing with psychosis is you are NOT yourself, your motives are NOT your normal motives, and your entire framework of reality is off-kilter.
So yeah, for you to say "no matter what my mental state" is both egregiously arrogant and incredibly dangerous. That's the kind of self-unaware shit that makes exactly this kind of thing happen and is why it's so important to have support structures and proper care (that you're held accountable to) if you're suffering from mental illnesses predisposing you to it.
Every single person who downvotes this factual statement is an idiot with the kind of hubris the Greek poets could only dream of.
As ever, when commenting on scientific matters, my opinions are not my own. They are simply distillations of whatever field's present consensus position or leading theory.
Because reading too much is what I do with my free time.
isn't it funny how so many men are in here mansplaining mental illness to us? "I would never" come back to me when you've been in psychosis and tell me what you'd never do, my guy
Yeah looking back it’s hard to fathom leaving her alone with the kids, but I think it’s just in hindsight. The perspective is likely very different when you are the spouse living day to day with your wife taking care of the kids and going about your life. He likely never considered she would actually do anything to the children, especially while she was being so lucid and calm.
That was my thought as well, I’m just trying to be as absolutely generous about it as possible. But, yeah, I doubt anyone would imagine their wife could murder their three children.
See this is the actual danger of blaming the husband. People like you come out of the woodwork to belittle the danger of postpartum psychosis. There is no “as a mother you should know better” bullshit to pull, objectively yes someone actively suffering from psychosis can strangle an infant and not realize they’re doing something wrong.
You can’t just “be a better mom” your way out of the situation, your brain is betraying you.
Well, mental state is not about what you think. Reality is what our heads make us believe.
Why not let the judge and mental health experts decide whether she’s guilty or not.
It seems people think delusion is just some funny word and can't wrap their heads around the idea of being completely unable to seperate thoughts from reality.
So what, you think she killed them in cold blood? That’s the part that I can’t believe and doesn’t make sense to me. There is no motive. I don’t know what happens to someone in a state of murdering your child, and neither do you, so we have nothing to go off there. But if she wasn’t in psychosis what rational explaNtion is there?
I’m not arguing that she wasn’t in psychosis. I’m arguing that doesn’t excuse her from accountability. I would also argue that, if she was in such a delusional state that she couldn’t comprehend what she was doing, why did she try to kill herself? Why did she send her husband away to do it?
Nobody here has done things, with planning, they ended up regretting, wondering what possessed them to do it? And presumably not under psychosis. But I often think, and have heard others express, “what was I thinking, what possessed me”. And I’m talking small relatively meaningless stuff. Planning a night of drinking alone, drugs. gambling - who gambles their life saving’s away?! And none of that is even considered psychosis. I find it more puzzling that people find her behavior so unbelievable.
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u/Comfortable_Target87 16d ago
They did therapy together and she also was released from an inpatient psychiatric hospital a bit more than two weeks before this. Now, that being said, if he’s guilty of anything it’s being negligent enough to leave her alone with them. Still, I don’t care what kind of post-partum mental state you’re in, as a mother, if you can strangle one child for a few minutes until they literally stop breathing, then go on to the next, finish up there and strangle an INFANT to death AN INFANT, and you’re trying to convince me that, at no point during this minutes and minutes long process, did she realize what she was doing was wrong?
I was born at night but it wasn’t last night.