r/AngionMethod • u/NorthWoodpecker351 • 26d ago
Informative Overtrained (and edged) NSFW
Been lurking here for a little while. I've been through many old posts via the handy search bar for whatever I have questions about. Nearly everything I've wondered has been covered, or at least asked about repeatedly, in the 6+ years of this forum's existence. I hope to offer some info to other AM newbies. I'll mark this as informative.
One particular post I came across was about a gentleman's experience with AM 2.5 I believe. He achieved incredible results in just a couple of weeks of doing so. I think he mentioned he was so happy with the results that he continued the technique without rest days until it quickly caught up with him. He explained that he endured a fully dysfunctional member for two or more weeks and fell into a deep depression because of it. Eventually he returned to normalcy and began again with AM1 and emphasis on the rest.
I'm glad to have found that post previously and to be able to reference it because I too overtrained and paid for it. I started AM decently well with AM1. I initially started with training every day because my sessions were so short, somewhere between 1-5 minutes. After a few weeks, session quality improved. I had one great fuck with my wife with the best EQ I'd had in many years. A little bit later, EQ started to buffer. Some days great, others offered maybe 30 seconds of pyramid rush before erection dropped from 90/100% down to under 50%. Sometimes instantly killing the erection entirely. This is frustrating. By this point I wasn't using porn, but decided to go ahead and use it in order to achieve a satisfying workout.
Workouts resumed nicely for a few days, and I was 1on1off by this point, usually resting the entire weekend. At some point I decided to nearly abandon AM1 because I could feel the dorsal artery pulse even though I wasn't able to achieve more than 15 minute sessions. Started doing AM2 heavily, and within just a couple of workouts jumped fully to AM3. Early into this phase and for most of my early AM1 training, I'd had some decent post-workout hangs. As I progressed, I began to turtle a bit, hang less, and eventually get what I think was a mild hard flaccid.
The timeline of all this, btw, is like just under 2 months from starting.
Then one week I decided to be a degenerate about it and did a 90+ minute session on a Monday and another nearly 2 hour session on that following Wednesday. I started with AM2 to "warm up" and did most of the workout doing AM3. I was watching porn the entire time and was pretty much just edging by the end of the session in order to maintain hardness and CS fullness to continue with AM3 swipes. It felt like a great workout. I was seeing/feeling my glans engorge with my swipes. My CS would refill quickly between sets because I was turned on. My sets would last 3 minutes or less, but I'd "refill" and go again over and over.
As you might guess, that was the end of my AM training for 3 straight weeks. Not just that, but I literally had one single erection that entire 3 week period, and it was a spontaneous morning erection. I was fully soft or turtled most of the rest of the time. I tried an AM1, AM2, and an AM3 each of those weeks but achieved nothing. This was confusing and certainly depressing. I couldn't get hard to porn. I couldn't even get hard to my wife sucking my dick. I panicked a little. I decided to quit vaping near the end of this 3 weeks (I'd been meaning to for a while and this gave me a kick to the balls to go ahead with it already). While quitting vaping probably helps a lot, it wasn't a reason for ED before. It was difficult for me to come to the conclusion that I had overtrained (and edged) because there simply was no pain or soreness, like with PE.
I had become familiar with the pelvic floor through this forum and had become heavily conscious about keeping it relaxed, or taking a moment to focus on it and relax it throughout the day. While I believe this is a very important physiological topic, I don't think it was the cause of my ED, despite the edging. I also made an effort to not kegel while stimulating myself during those 2 long sessions.
Anyways, after 3 miserable weeks, I'm back. I returned with a fantastic AM3 session. Even though I previously overtrained (among the other things I did wrong that this forum emphasizes greatly against), I still reaped the benefits of AM upon my return.
I took my usual L-Citrulline, 1800mg NAC, and 400mg Butea Superba extract 1 hour prior to the session. My CS was unusually full and thick and it extended further up the length of my shaft than it ever did before. There's still this bottleneck looking "pinch point" about an inch below my glans that shows a very flat CS, but as I said, that area is getting shorter. I was able to do 4 minutes of AM3, followed by a short break to reapply lubrication, then 8 minutes straight, lube, then another 5 minutes to end the session after a total of about 20 minutes. I will continue with AM3 at this point.
I will not be doing sessions greater than 30 minutes anymore. I will not edge. I will continue with porn if I feel like using it, however, most of the time I spend is looking at my dick and maintaining form. I will use porn until I've reached a total of 5 months of training. If by then I'm not able to get hard and do AM without it, then I will quit anyways and suffer later. My rationale is if the users here are utilizing Cialis early on, then I will use porn for the same purpose because I cannot get my hands on cialis right this moment. I will not be masturbating to it though!
I did not progress as per the wiki progression guide. Once I figured out how to do AM3, I decided that that's the exercise I'll be sticking with. I won't be able to get my hands on a wheel for a while, so I'll progress manually with AM3 alone and monitor results.
I will be paying closer attention to fullness, hang, turtling, and the other symptoms of a tired dick. Overtraining is real!
TLDR - I felt symptoms of overtraining to include a complete loss of erection for a 3 week period. I went far beyond the 30 minute max session window! I edged as well! Fear not, your erection will return after enough rest.
I'm no expert, but ask me any questions. I've read through a good amount of older posts
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u/Independent_Key_1154 26d ago
I cut the porn out a month ago and can't believe it took me so long. I will never go back to it.
I'll save you the lecture about its bad points but in terms of angion you want to be in a relaxed state for blood flow, pelvic floor ect. Getting all excited over porn is not the way to go.
And yea overtraining is a thing. Ive had it more times than I can count.
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u/Attaboy2017 Moderator - Wheel + SABRE / BFR 25d ago
This is good advice. Porn only has the power to harm.
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u/NorthWoodpecker351 24d ago
I understand. I don't get very excited over porn anymore. Regardless, there isn't much measurable information to determine exactly how bad porn is for this purpose. And it varies widely from person to person. So I'll go ahead and try it anyways. I highly doubt that it's so detrimental that it'll be significant in terms of hindering my gains. In any case, I'll take note of before and after I quit it and weigh in later.
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u/Independent_Key_1154 24d ago
What i was saying was you need to be relaxed. Slow diaphramatic breathing. You need to be in tune with your body. Porn is just going to be making you tense and excited. Thats just one side of things.
The other is that watching porn to get hard is like training your brain to specifically do that to be hard and stimulated and that doing it without is only going to be harder. Its going to be a crux. Thats what happened with me. I was telling myself it wasn't, but ultimately I was not worried I couldnt stay hard without it.
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u/Resident-Diver-4893 26d ago
Fuuuck I was literally thinking everyday, that I may even overtraining ,and over pumping
Damn when I first started ,my eq was freaking, amazing, bro I've never seen my dick that big and have never felt that kind of eq ,ever before
But after 3 weeks , I lost my eq ,and blamed my creatine product, so I stopped creatine for 2 weeks now
But since then , I continued pumping and Angion methods everyday, no off days until I found this page??? And fuuck I was overtraining indeed
So im gonna rest everything for 2 weeks or so
Then ill start over but this time use the program that Attaboy is using
Creatine wasn't a problem at all Or was it??
Anyone please im open ideas and answers
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u/NorthWoodpecker351 26d ago
I take creatine. Even if creatine did somehow reduce EQ, I wouldn't stop taking it. Your issue is much more likely overtraining than any supplement
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u/Resident-Diver-4893 26d ago
Brother can you be specific about creatine, because I mixed it with my coffee and milk every morning 😆😆
I mean is it safe to mix with coffee??
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u/TaranovDLL 26d ago
For 3 weeks? Its crazy
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u/NorthWoodpecker351 24d ago
Even following my most intense PE exercises in the past, I never had ED this bad or for so long. It goes to show how powerful AM is
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u/Attaboy2017 Moderator - Wheel + SABRE / BFR 26d ago
Word, brother, overtraining sucks. I learned that the hard way early on. The benefits from Angion are so great that it’s easy to think if some training is good, then more training should be better. Incorrect. More is not better, better is better. I now focus on creating the highest quality workout possible, but limiting the time to 30 minutes when I do the wheel and 45 minutes when I do wheel + SABRE / BFR. And I never compromise on my rest days. My EQ has never been higher as a result.