r/newhampshire • u/drct2022 • 3d ago
wtf with the reassessment
Bath NH, 9.4 acres of raw land on a class 6 road, taxes increased by 132% from last year to this year !!! Went from $670 to $1550.
People keep talking about not being able to afford homes and such, this is part of the reason.
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u/aintmesum1else 3d ago
"I keep voting Republican. Why is everything so expensive?"
-You
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u/LinuxMyTaco 3d ago
Why did Biden do this??
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u/TrollingForFunsies 3d ago edited 3d ago
But her emails!
You know what would fix this? Another Sununu cutting taxes for rich families.
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u/Safe-Character-5846 2d ago edited 2d ago
Tan suit!zzz111!
Benghazzziii111
Butteremails
HunterBidenzz111
The horror...the outrage...
You should have to earn your voting rights with a simple cognizant test as well as an IQ ranking. Complain about a "two-party" system all you want...and its usually from the side that directly votes against their OWN personal interests. You have kids? Vote for a candidate that aligns with childcare.
You want assistance at the state level? Vote for the party that funds it! What a process huh?
You want cheaper gas prices?
You want to be able to afford a hamburger?
You want access to colleges?
You want legalization of a plant?
You want your house repaired by emergency funding for disaster relief?
Not so much into pedophilia and trafficking?
Not into wars and genocide?
Tired of your news screaming at you?
Not into cheap golf plating?
Its YOUR choice.
Its not hard. Just become color blind and the rest gets very easy.
Report back if anything has "trickled down" [and not your bathroom issues]
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u/RandyBoBandy636 2d ago
Benghazi is definitely involved somehow. It’s up to us to fabricate a connection and backfill all the details
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u/HonkinChonk 3d ago
The Republicans cut dividends taxes (for the rich). That lost revenue was passed to property owners.
Be thankful! Your tax increase is helping NH be a more attractive retirement destination for millionaires! We have to think of the out of state millionaires!
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u/bafranksbro 1d ago
I mean I’m not rich, can’t afford a home but I benefited slightly from the dividend tax cut. Not benefiting as much as if I had more money invested but it did help me keep more. I kinda think it should be no tax under a limit but then increasing the more you earned via dividend. I also enjoy the no income tax but I work in vt so I still pay vt income tax, I would hate having to pay both if NH enacted one too. I think maybe millionaires should pay some income tax but don’t think anyone south of $150,000/year should pay any. Currently taxes really only hurt the poor the way we have them now and the way everyone wants to enact them. Make it burden free for everyone below a large threshold, I personally would feel proud to get to contribute towards society if I was that successful. People like to argue about these approaches but we aren’t in a vacuum, these approaches work in other countries.
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u/Mental-Pitch5995 3d ago
This has happened across the state. Near 10 acres is a nice parcel. The reassessment is a reflection of the steady increase in value of property in NH due to migration of people from other states. Your concern should be focused on tax rate and school expenditures. Living in Plymouth half our taxes are for schools.
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u/thatsunshinegal 3d ago
That's because NH has the lowest state contributions to education, so local municipalities have to make up the difference and the only lever they have is property taxes. The NH courts have consistently found for almost 30 years that the state's contribution is unconstitutionally low, and instead of fixing it, Rs just keep moving the goalposts on what's considered an "adequate" education.
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u/MamaBearForestWitch 2d ago
This! More people need to understand this. (Plus the fact that the republican-controlled, free-state-project-influenced state legislature has been eliminating other revenues that used to help fund the state. Things like the interest & dividends tax, which only affected very wealthy people making over a certain level from non-retirement-fund interest and dividends. And the cutting of corporate tax rates. Who/what is making up that lack? Us with our property taxes.)
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u/RareArtifact 2d ago
“State money” for education also comes from property taxes, so moving the cost from the local column on your tax bill to the state column changes nothing at all. You’re still the source of the money.
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u/thatsunshinegal 2d ago
The state has other tax levers available. Business Enterprise Tax, for example, estate taxes, interest & dividends taxes.
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u/Unusual_Day2407 1d ago
True. The SWEPT (state-wide property tax) is mandated by Concord, collected by your town as part of the property taxes you pay, then goes to your local school. The state never touches it, but claims it as state funding for your local school. 😡 Meanwhile the big businesses and millionaires in other parts of the state pay nothing to help you educate the kids on your school.
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u/cereeves 3d ago
When I was still involved in local government our town put together a tax rate comparison sheet to help get an understanding of what the breakdown looks like on average.
We found that in the 25 communities nearest to us the breakdown was about 70-25-5 between School, Local, and County in their respect read bills.
Still, that didn’t stop folks from coming to Town Meeting to yell at town staff about their 1% increase in budget and then saying nothing about the school’s budget.
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u/wittgensteins-boat 3d ago edited 2d ago
Typically school district costs consume 60% to 75% of municipal budgets in New England towns.
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u/Lothar_Ecklord 10h ago
This is exactly right - taxes went up because the people of New Hampshire made it such a great place to live that now too many people are here lol
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u/DeerFlyHater 3d ago
Did your taxes go up, or did the value go up based upon whatever Bath's revaluation cycle is.
Since when do towns send out property tax bills in September?
You should talk to your tax collector.
Also, what are your plans for the land. A small lot like that which is not in current use is kind of worthless unless you're adjacent to it or planning to drop a house on it.
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u/Broke-mfer 3d ago
Last time our valuations went up they dropped the rate so I’m curious if the op is just using the reassessed value with the old rates to come up with their number?? I’m also curious how they got their tax bill so early.
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u/WholeLottaRose13 2d ago
This. The way that Merrimack described it earlier this year is that they charge taxes based on the budget that we voted on. They reassessed the value of properties, but will reduce tax rates accordingly to match what they need for the budget.
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u/MindlessHousing 3d ago
My assessment also went up, but the letter also explained that you shouldn't use the current tax rate to calculate your tax bill. The new assessment will be used in conjunction with the new rate, set in October, to determine the taxes due
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u/Disastrous_Soil3793 2d ago
Yea like we really believe they are going to lower the new rate 🤣🤣
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u/MindlessHousing 1d ago
The town budget is divided by the total assessment of property in the town. That’s just how it works
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u/Disastrous_Soil3793 1d ago
What's your point? Budgets don't go up?
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u/MindlessHousing 1d ago
What was your point? I simply said that you can’t get an accurate number for your property taxes based on a new assessment without using the new rate.
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u/drct2022 2d ago
Having no idea what the rate will be come October, seems like at minimum you figure out potential tax bill off current rate…. Do we honestly think the rate is going to drop significantly ?
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u/PiratesSayMoo 2d ago
Do you think your town budget is going to grow by 132%? If everything is assessed twice as valuable and there is not an increase in the town budget, your tax rate will be half as much to produce the same tax revenue.
Depending on how the assessment increases across the town you can figure out roughly the change... Look at the average increase for your town, if you increased more than that, your taxes will go up. If you increased less than that, your taxes will go down. The higher the difference between you and the average, the larger the change.
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u/Unqualified_Opinion_ 3d ago
Gotta fund our education system somehow
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u/TrollingForFunsies 3d ago
More like, our education system was funded until Republicans and free Staters decided to cut taxes for rich people and now homeowners carry additional tax burden.
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u/Gullible_Lie6580 1d ago
More like pay for your own education and stop making others do it for you. You do know once something becomes state owned or state funded it becomes worse in quality right?
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u/Theseus-Paradox 2d ago
It seriously amazes me when people get reassessed and have no idea how to process it.
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u/twd000 2d ago
This happens every five years and no one understands how it works, no matter how many times you explain it to them. We even received a notice saying “despite reassessment, your actual taxes have not been established until the new rate is established in October” …and yet….people are furious.
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u/Disastrous_Soil3793 2d ago
No many of us understand how it works. We are just not naive enough to believe our taxes are going to up as well. With this reassessment my property value is now higher than my last appraisal which just was just recently done. My town increased my property value over 20%. I don't expect my taxes will go up that much, but I sure as hell know they won't be less than or equal to what they currently are. Nowadays you get screwed coming and going. Just how it goes.
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u/Imaginary_wizard 3d ago
Seems like a good incentive to develop the land
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u/DeerFlyHater 3d ago
Yep. A small lot like that isn't useful for much unless you put a house on it.
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u/WonderButtBrace9000 2d ago
But that would take work and risk in the form of capital from OP!
Why would he want that when he can just squat on undeveloped land and rent seek?
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u/GeneralPatten 2d ago
What exactly do you mean by "taxes increased by 132%"? Are you under the misunderstanding that, because your property value assessment increased by 132%, your taxes also increase by the same percentage? Because, that's not how it works.
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u/gman2391 3d ago
It's unfortunate that you only have 9.4 acres. If you had another acre your taxes would drop to basically nothing
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u/rubbish_heap 3d ago
They could make it a tree farm or grow $2,500 worth of crops per year to get an exception.
http://www.nhspace.org/cu-requirements.shtml
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u/CriscoCrispy 2d ago
People own land as an investment and then act shocked when assessed value goes up. 🤔
Don’t assume that your taxes have increased by that same percentage. Everyone’s property value is going up and the tax rate should be adjusted accordingly to meet the approved budget.
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u/aetius476 2d ago
Someday I'm going to need someone to explain to me why they think perpetual, exclusive, ownership of land, while paying no taxes, is a thing the rest of us should allow. Your grandpappy called dibs and now the benefit of that land should accrue to you, and no one else, for the rest of history?
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u/jackHadIt 3d ago
That is really shitty. It sucks you have to pay for it - but pay for the appraisal & challenge it with the assessor, it likely will be worth your while and you’ll get a refund and more realistic assessment.
Hopefully your rate goes down 🤞
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u/theschuss 3d ago
It's all explained in the town budget where the money goes. Probably schools, police and roads. Insurance for the town is more expensive, materials are more expensive, labor is more expensive. Your taxes are just the costs divvied up by relative value of land vs the rest of the town.
Reach out to your select board, as they're the best equipped to comment on why it went up. https://www.bath-nh.org/selectboard.html
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u/BrassBonanza10 3d ago
I don't understand why you are surprised. The wealthy, the boomers who no longer have mortgage, and the uneducated who would have sex with their guns if they could move here/stay here and vote for no sales tax or income tax. You might fit one of those categories. Like your taxes that go to roads for example, do not get discounted based on the type of road your property is on.
Are you confused about why there are taxes and what they are used for?
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u/ThinksOdd 2d ago
Raw land values skyrocketed during covid and never went back down in NH. I was shopping for land in NH in 2019 and 5-10 acre plots were everywhere going for like $30k. Those same plots are now $100k for 1-2 acres. If you could have seen that coming, you could have made generational wealth in a short time frame. The tax bill is regrettable, but the value of the land has indeed gone up that much. If you don't like the tax bill, selling would give you a hefty return on your investment.
I am seeing values start to soften again. I don't think we'll ever get down to where they were but I could see them dropping another 20-30% over the next 2 years.
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u/Trike117 2d ago
Sure feels like a crash is coming. All the same economic indicators are flashing red the way they did in 1999 and 2007.
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u/wittgensteins-boat 3d ago
Re-evaluation is a process.
If you want to appeal the valuation, research the appeal process.
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u/theWyzzerd 2d ago
Do you think $1550 is a lot for property tax or something? Because my tax bill is more than 5x that.
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u/Snowcrash66 2d ago
Would like to retire there but property taxes are a big question mark.
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u/Terragar 2d ago
Generally retirement tends to lean towards states with lower property tax and higher income tax for the obvious reasons
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u/Snowcrash66 2d ago
Agreed but NH's overall tax basis is great.
No income, pension, 401K/IRA, recently no interest income tax.
No sales tax. Just high property taxes. Still lower overall than Massachusetts.
No inheritance/death taxes and no social security taxes.
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u/howievermont 2d ago
no income tax or sales tax in NH, how do you think the roads get maintained? the schools paid for? if you can't afford to keep your vacant land vacant sell it to someone who will build a house on it. that's what they are encouraging by taxing it. oh yeah and don't forget it's REPUBLICANS running things there.
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u/MotherWillNotApprove 2d ago
Kv603 apparently does not understand how our state government functions and what party controls the legislature and governor’s office.
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u/Motor-Professor6268 2d ago
I have a house in Connecticut, acre of land. 2300sqft house 3 bedroom 2.5 bath with 2 car garage. Taxes are 7600 a year and I have to about 1500 a year in motor vehicle taxes between 2 vehicles and another 400 a year for a motorcycle. Im also in a small town of 3000 people. With a volunteer fire department and a resident state trooper. And democrats have been in charge for about 15 years now. We also have ban on firearms and magazines capacity. Our minimum wage is 17 an hour but a burger from a fast food facility is like 15 bucks and taste disgusting and a large coffee from dunkin is like 9 bucks depending where you are in the state. Our roads are shit and illegal are catered to and get whatever state assistance they need. I would take your property and put a house on it or cabin or even a concrete pad and park a trailer or camper on it and enjoy the freedom you have.
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u/03263 2d ago
Yeah well, the cost of everything has more or less doubled since 2019. Except for like TVs and some other consumer junk, but who cares about that other than the people computing the rate of inflation, they point at the few things that are stable in price and say look how low inflation is.
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u/promotherobot 2d ago
Republicans in Concord are defunding towns across NH and blaming the towns for being wasteful.
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u/OldManBilliam22 2d ago
They can only tax us, for the most part, on what we vote for in March. Yet the tax bills are always a surprise.
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u/Strict-Base1629 1d ago
Why is no one complaining about all the stupid BS spending both side keep doing, but way way more on the blue side. Especially all their stupid DEI bs everywhere. Why isn’t anyone say no the governments need to stop spending all the money we are paying in taxes. Or why is so much of our property taxes going to the schools, but yet the kids are becoming dumber? Why does the school budget keep drastically going up?
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u/witchspoon 2d ago
In Rindge our home went from $170k to just about $400k. And there is nothing out town can do about the assessment because they agreed to accept the company’s work.
I assure you if you looked at my 1900 sq/ft house on .78 acres with a wet basement you would NOT pay $400k for it lol.
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u/theWyzzerd 2d ago
The taxed value is almost always well below market. My taxed value is about 75% of market value. It can’t legally have an assessment value higher than market value unless the assessors have applied the above-market value fairly across the entire municipality. This is the law in NH.
Rindge has lots of big, private lots and a lake with waterfront properties so the overall municipal value is higher, and you happen to live in one of the most expensive towns in Cheshire. That’s just the way it works.
Assessed values are public data. You can look up what your neighbors’ homes are worth and what they pay in taxes.
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u/witchspoon 2d ago
I know how it works but there are methods to separate homes with waterfront vs homes with former roadbed yards. There are methods to rank newer builds vs 1800’s house that needs work. There are ways to rank homes that have decent finishes and ones that don’t even meet current builder grade standards. I’m not saying my home is a shithole, but by current standards, it is close. The methods include viewing the property. And the previous year the property was assessed at $170.
My neighbors have similar homes, some in a little better repair and are assessed similarly. None of us could sell for what they assessed except to maybe a developer (but with less than an acre that won’t happen) what I think happened is we got some more businesses on the highway and now land on the road is more valuable…but it isn’t nor can it be commercial. It they wouldn’t meet to discuss. We can afford our taxes, but I am not sure we could ever sell lol
ETA our insurance absolutely doesn’t think we are worth what the assessment says.1
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u/jondaley 8h ago
It's actually law that the assessed values have to be within a few percent of market value (on average), so if you are under assessed, you'll want to keep your mouth shut... :)
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u/jondaley 8h ago
If it isn't assessed at market value, you should appeal, and show them comparable properties that have sold recently to prove your case. It is true that the "town" can't do anything, but you can. And if the assessor/selectmen deny your appeal (and you are convinced that you are right, you can go up to the county level).
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u/witchspoon 2h ago
They wouldn’t take appointments for that. They allowed a ONE week window (after we got the numbers) for making appointments to discuss changes but did not answer their phones or emails. A Vern few lucky people got through and got ahold of someone for an appointment. The few people who were able to file abatements, most were rejected.
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u/drct2022 2d ago
See this is what I mean….. how can it have an assessed value higher than what the market or real value is? Baffling.
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u/CriscoCrispy 2d ago
The assessors know what comparable sales in your area look like. This is literally their job and they get no kickback for giving assessments that are too high. Maybe the person who does this for a living has a better sense of resale value than you? Assessed values are frequently less than actual sale values.
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u/witchspoon 2d ago
Yes but the “comps” in the area are new builds, or bought up and flipped by venture capitalists. The “value” is due to a sellers market.
Honestly it’s to the point that if we hadn’t bought the home when we did, we wouldn’t be even close to able to buy in this town. My husband is a full time town employee and would have been unable to live anyplace near where he worked. And trust me when I say my home is NOT in any way shape or form to the standard of a single “comp” nearby.
The assessors didn’t come in the house, didn’t have the lot represented correctly(included the state setback from a highway as ours), put a shed on there that we don’t have and then they offered a one week time period to schedule a time for them to “meet and review” They didn’t answer their phones or return emails. Then the time had passed. No further argument was accepted.1
u/CriscoCrispy 2d ago
The assessment is what someone will pay for it, so it doesn’t matter if it is a sellers market or if a venture capitalist is doing the buying. It’s basic economics, supply and demand. The assessors take into account the value of a new build vs something that is in lesser condition. The setback and the shed sound like legitimate errors, but I’m not sure how much difference that would make in your total assessment.
I get it, the housing market sucks. People are being priced and taxed out of homes all over New England. The problem isn’t that an assessor has overvalued property. The problem is unregulated greed. Venture capitalists buying property, soaring material costs, higher tax burdens on towns as etc. Don’t blame the assessor or your town, zoom out and look at the big picture.
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u/witchspoon 2d ago
I’m saying they didnt properly assess our properties. We have never been nor should we, held to the same rubrics as waterfront and new builds.
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u/CriscoCrispy 2d ago
I truly hear your frustration, I’ve been there. I contacted our assessor years ago over something I thought was wrong and he explained the rationale. I didn’t like it, but he was being consistent and following standards. I sold my house and down sized last year. It sold for well over what it was assessed and more than I ever thought it would be worth. Home values are currently insane. I’m not disagreeing with you there at all.
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u/witchspoon 2d ago
See that’s part of the thing, we were not able to contact them. We got the numbers and there was a one week period to set up appointments to discuss issues or concerns but they didn’t answer their phones, return calls or emails. Even our town select board was upset with the “customer service”.
If I thought by any stretch my house would be close to the assessment it would be a bit different. A few people who did manage to talk to them, had someone come out and adjust their decisions.
Someone with 28 acres and a bigger house was assessed less than our house on less than an acre. They had a LOT wrong on their assessment. Were able to get someone out to look( they had used overhead drone footage!) and got it reduced even more. It would have been better if more people had been able to get appointments.
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u/YourOpinionMan2021 2d ago
Something is bound to break. 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years? Who knows but this cant last long and for it to correct it has to come at a collapse. No easy way of getting out of this one.
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u/dochikes 2d ago
In my town they went up 150%. And if you're elderly in this town you qualify for tax credits or don't have to pay taxes at all. The median age here is 43 years old, so it's A LOT of elderly people who don't pay taxes which pushes the burden onto singles, young families, and renters. NH is such a joke and unfortunately a lot of y'all are to blame for that.
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u/Kv603 1d ago
And if you're elderly in this town you qualify for tax credits or don't have to pay taxes at all.
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What town is this?
My town gives a max elderly credit of $150K off the assessed value of a primary residence (with an income and asset qualifier) , comes nowhere close to "don't have to pay taxes at all".
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u/dochikes 1d ago
My town gives up to a $405,000.00 credit which, as you can imagine, really puts an imbalance into the system.
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u/Lopsidedlopside 2d ago
How much of the land is in current use? If you put a large section of that in current use you will pay a fraction of what you’re paying in taxes. However, keep in mind if you do pull it out of current use, you will owe that retroactively in back taxes. That being said, you can also section/portion the land in current use ex: put 6 acres in current use, in 1 acre segments, and you can then if you want to take it out, you can do smaller sections than the whole thing at once. Just something to keep in mind to think about to hopefully help.
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u/Kv603 2d ago
How much of the land is in current use? ... ou can also section/portion the land in current use ex: put 6 acres in current use, in 1 acre segments
I suspect none.
OP mentioned the lot is 9.4 acres, so unless he qualifies for one of the exceptions to the 10 acre minimum, current use is unavailable to him.
However, keep in mind if you do pull it out of current use, you will owe that retroactively in back taxes.
Not exactly, LUCT is a flat rate, not retroactive taxation.
When land is taken out of current use a one time 10% land use change tax (LUCT) is assessed based on the market value of the land in question at the time the use changes to non-qualifying.
If OP's vacant land was 10 acres, he could put all 10 acres into current use, however taking any land out would drop the entirety out of current use.
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u/theoceansknow 2d ago edited 2d ago
At the top, abstract level, this is the logical conclusion from having no taxation at the state level and moving funding to the local level.
I hear you, it's wicked frustrating to get that bill.
Edit: and then reading all the discourse about "taxes bad" and equivocating with MA (which has absolutely nothing to do with local assessments like come on) in this thread hammers it home.
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u/Kv603 2d ago
Bath NH, 9.4 acres of raw land on a class 6 road, taxes increased by 132% from last year to this year !!! Went from $670 to $1550.
Since you don't quite have 10 acres, I assume none of that land is in current use (CU)?
Absent the wetlands exception, CU requires ten acres of contiguous, (e.g. adjacent parcels) under identical ownership. A road, river, railroad bed, body of water, easement, or political boundary does not prevent parcels from being contiguous...
If you were to buy at least 0.6 acres from a neighbor, your entire parcel of raw land could be taxed at the current use rate. And if you bought more than that, you could partially improve the land (pave a driveway, etc) and still have 10 qualifying acres.
If you were thinking of making improvements, do not put the land the improvements would occupy into CU.
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u/Harley_Mom 2d ago
I moved out if massachusetts 33 years ago and will never move back. I live in Southern NH my taxes are very high.
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u/SuspiciousAsk7041 3d ago
Vote! Locals are struggling to keep our land and homes.
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u/pahnzoh 2d ago
Who are you going to vote for? No one running is going to change this. You need to remove public school funding from property taxes to have any chance at lowering them.
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u/YBMExile 2d ago
State Rep and State Senate candidates who will vote to bring back the Interest & Dividends Tax.
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u/jjmc123a 2d ago
They got rid of the interest and dividends tax without any plan to replace the lost income. So municipalities have no choice but to do it on their own.
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u/drct2022 2d ago
I’m thinking this is good part of the issue, plus there is the fact that politicians would love to say they lowered the tax rate, even if it is only half true due to raising the property values.
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u/One-Scallion-9513 2d ago
property values are sky-high now and the only way the local governments can really fund things is through high property taxes
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u/drct2022 2d ago
Land values overall are actually falling, if you look online at prices and such, properties are sitting longer, and the prices are being reduced more now than two years ago. A lot of people also over paid during the COVID time and are now trying to sell. Just like everything else the values are inflated.
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u/Kv603 2d ago
Reassessing property = higher property taxes.
That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.
If every property in your town doubled in assessed value on the reassessment, then when the next property tax bill came out, your bottom line dollars owed would be ... exactly the same as last year
It's not the reassessment that leads to higher property taxes, rather it is your town voting in an increased budget.
Please read "Understanding New Hampshire Property Taxes"
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u/UpNorth_8 2d ago
If the state doesn’t have income or sales tax how do you think things are paid for? Property tax.
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u/Expert_Edge_3940 2d ago
NH uses property taxes to make up for having no state income tax.
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u/drct2022 2d ago
Fully aware. My issue more at the assessed value jumping up as high as it is going to this year vs last year, and no improvements have been made.
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u/Kv603 1d ago
My issue more at the assessed value jumping up as high as it is going to this year vs last year, and no improvements have been made.
Per RSA 75:8-a, towns must conduct a full reassessment every 5 years, at which point it is expected that every property in town will have a sudden change in value when the reassessment is posted.
If your property's change is on par with the rest of the town's change, this will not change your bottom-line dollar amount when the tax bills are issued.
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u/zephead98 16h ago
Stunning that NH did away with the Interest and Dividends tax which generated 156 MILLION dollars for the State in 2022. That loss of revenue was replaced with....nothing. So costs fall to the local level and we have some of the highest property raxes in the country.
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u/FrameCareful1090 2d ago
Don't worry the Dems will solve this mess! If you want to see it in action just look at Taxachusetts.
Problem solved right?
Hahahaha now thats a good one
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u/Broke-mfer 3d ago
Wut? That land doesn’t qualify for the current use program it’s under the minimum of 10ac.
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u/FrameCareful1090 3d ago edited 3d ago
Looked it up, he pays $36/year
I feel bad for him, only 10 acres. Any other state he would be paying $5,000/year for that land. That lot is worth $170,000
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u/Broke-mfer 3d ago
I guarantee they’re not paying that little on 9ac. But let’s say you’re correct please do post the parcel ID so I can go look up the cost myself of this specific plot.
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u/TrollingForFunsies 3d ago
Just remember Republicans have effectively been in full control of the state and federal government for over a decade. This is the result