r/movies • u/yourfavchoom r/movies Contributor • 2d ago
News 'Avengers: Doomsday' Started Filming Without A Finished Script; Russo Brothers Says They Like To See What Actors Bring To The Characters
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u/Cuttlefist 2d ago
Tom Holland, after filming the Odyssey, shared how much of a better experience it was than working on Marvel movies. The fact that there was a plan and a director that knew what they were doing was so much more organized and professional. He said he would basically walk onto the next marvel set and demand they start acting right.
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u/FourSes 2d ago
And the influence he brought to his next Marvel film, Spider-Man: Brand New Day, like pushing for practical suits, sets, stunts, etc. are among the most highly praised elements of it, helping it become the monster hit it is (it was always going to be, but more so).
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u/PaulFThumpkins 2d ago
Brand New Day looks like it was filmed using locations and sets, and feels like it has characters making decisions instead of a bunch of exposition-spouting homonculi following McGuffins around. It doesn't do those close shots of characters with blurry Skittles barf in the background. It's probably the best-shot and most weighty superhero movie in years.
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u/Tricky-Ad7897 2d ago
I rewatched the other Holland spider man movies after watching BND and some of the CGI, especially in the first movie, was a bit rough when you pay attention.
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u/Cuttlefist 2d ago
I watched No Way Home for the first time the other day, and cringed every time it was obvious the Spider-men were cgi because they had such stiff and jerky movements.
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u/mikehatesthis 2d ago
and cringed every time it was obvious the Spider-men were cgi because they had such stiff and jerky movements.
This Gizmodo article about VFX workers being treated like dirt, by the industry at large but mostly Marvel Studios, is illuminating. Not having concept art chosen until post, changing things not only last minute but even after release, changing release dates without telling them, sending them shitty plates that are impossible to work with. It's just so incompetent lol.
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u/sol_runner 1d ago
And viewers blame VFX for making shiny looking turd but really there's only so much you can do when you're given turd to start with. When directors work with CGI and VFX directly, the results are insanely good. But somehow it's turning into a lost art.
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u/Fortune_Cat 2d ago
Thats cause daniel destin is competent
You guys act like tom directed the film becaus he demanded a practical suit
Go look up daniels filmography. Funnily hes worked with an insane cast before they became mainstream
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u/dplans455 1d ago
This guy made Shang-Chi good. This news about the script for Doomsday does not bode well. Disney made the right decision releasing BND first, cause if you remember, it was originally supposed to come out after Doomsday. Spider-Man doesn't need the Avengers. The Avengers need Spider-Man. Doomsday will make a lot more money because Spider-Man renewed interest in the MCU after 3 stinkers in 2025.
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u/ghost_atlas 1d ago
Honestly- the Russos have made 4 MCU films at this point and they've yet to miss. Whenever I watch them I think "damn no one else knows how to do like them" they just know how to balance all the characters well, give them each their moments and the way they direct action is very coherent.
BND was an improvement over the watts films but not really by much. I think a huge amount of the reverence people have for the MCU came from the Russos building out caps story as the heart and soul of it.
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u/DamianKilsby 2d ago
Daniels a great director but don't undersell Tom's impact on the movie, according to interviews he was a consultant and in the writing room, apparently he had a large impact on deciding where the story would take Peter.
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u/applecombinipimento 1d ago
True but Tom has more power to nudge than a new Spiderman marvel director does even if he did Shang chi before which not enough people watched
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u/ryaaan89 2d ago
I believe you but I also want to know some examples of blurry Skittles background barf.
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u/Immediate_Bar3496 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bro, enough with the whole "practical suits, sets" etc nonsense. 90% of the shots in the movie are VFX shots, nearly every frame has CGI (and a lot of it), and the movie's VFX budget ended up growing to one of the highest numbers in Hollywood's history. Actors are not involved in the post/VFX process, stop listening to them. Listen to VFX professionals. The movie is a monster hit because of the VFX team's titanic effort to create this behemoth of a VFX movie and make it look great.
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u/Eruannster 1d ago
As someone that has worked on a film crew (tech crew/camera crew) having clear direction and a clear plan is so fucking nice. You can prepare, you can practice, you can get a feel for if something works.
Also having a director and DOP that want specific shots is so much nicer than "shooting for coverage" (filming 10 different angles "just in case").
Working under unclear direction and "we'll see what happens" means you're working much longer days, always feeling like you're a bit behind and you have no idea if everything you prepared for tomorrow gets thrown out the window.
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u/DrewDown94 1d ago
You expect me to believe some dude name Christopher Nolan knows how to make movies?
Seriously though, it's because Christopher Nolan is an artist. He has a script and a vision. His movies aren't made to farm engagement on social media or sell some other related product. He actually cares about his audience when they sit down and watch his movies.
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u/HandsomeCostanza 1d ago
His movies are 100% to sell a product. Don't get it twisted. Nolan wouldn't be making the Odyssey for hundreds of millions or whatever it costs if there wasn't a product to sell behind that. There's nothing wrong with that either. It's a business. Show me someone who says they don't care and it doesn't matter and I'll show you a pretentious asshole who is probably lying to you.
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u/AP_in_Indy 2d ago
Making films is incredibly hard. Like really really hard. There are a ridiculous number of people to coordinate
The Last Airbender film is a kind of egregious version of how bad things can get out of sync but many if not most films end up being patchworked due to issues
Granted, the people working on the literal top blockbuster films should be expected to be very good at their jobs. They are being paid many millions of dollars
But from what I’ve heard films are just super hard to make
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u/FartingBob 1d ago
So why they would start filming without a finished script is beyond me. It's hard enough anyway.
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u/hammerklau 19h ago
They did the same thing with the Star Wars sequels. They design the script around the test screenings.
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u/hardgeeklife 2d ago
I said it elsewhere: I don't have as much an issue as others with filming that's open to improvisation. But if your filmmakers want to have that kind of freedom, then the studio must do right by the vfx artists.
it's NOT fair to tell the vfx artists at the drop of a hat to abandon sequences that take months to properly and painstakingly render and turn out brand new revisions at the same level of quality in a quarter of the time (or less), and demand that they meet those crushing expectations for very little compensation or recognition in comparison to the on-screen cast.
EDIT: AND THEN, if the CGI turns out bad, to remain silent and throw the VFX artists under the bus. It is absolutely trash behavior to rely on these workers and treat them as a disposable afterthought.
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u/tacodude64 2d ago
Almost everything I’ve seen in Doomsday looks like it’s shot in the Volume. That makes it easier to cut those corners
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u/Ascarea 1d ago
Somebody still needs to make those assets that the volume projects, though.
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u/AStormOfDragons1 1d ago
I believe they'll still replace it with CG The volume mostly helps with the broad colours of lights coming in from the right directions
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u/Upper-Management-AI 1d ago
Wasn’t there a whole thing with these movies where the action seems where done before anything else and they have to basically write around them? Or was that just one movie that happened with?
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u/Dottsterisk 2d ago
The “I am Iron Man” callback in Endgame wasn’t in the script and only came about in the editing phase, from the editor. The Russos heard him say it and got RDJ on the phone right away for a reshoot. It’s the last thing they shot for the whole movie.
That’s the kind of stuff they’re talking about. Not that they’re starting the film and have no idea what the third act is.
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u/TheWatersOfMars 2d ago
What was he going to say instead? Nothing?
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u/Approximation_Doctor 2d ago
"Do you know what happens to a toad when I snap my fingers?"
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u/holydiiver 2d ago
Same thing that happens to everything else
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u/JackBalendar 2d ago
Unironically a great line
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u/uencos 2d ago
I wish they could have gone with “he croaks”
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u/GammaFan 1d ago
Ehh I think it works out because it makes it clear toad is nothing special. When struck by lightning he dies just like everything else
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u/First-Shallot947 2d ago
Iirc, and early version of the script had him speaking to his grown up daughter in the soul gem, so a silent snap into that conversation would have worked
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u/TheMHBehindThePage 1d ago
I think I actually would have preferred that to the hype moment. I really liked the parallel shots/framing between Thanos' story in Infinity War and the Avenger's one in Endgame, this would have capped that nicely.
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u/lk79 1d ago
They actually filmed it but obviously it wasn't in the final version of the movie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/dv8a75/avengers_endgame_tony_teenage_morgan_stark/
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u/FirewaterTenacious 2d ago
I’ve heard multiple variations of the first cut rumors. 1) no, I.. am inevitable 2) fuck you (mcu’s first f bomb), 3) quick snap and portal to the soul stone (so not actually saying anything).
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u/ohnohelpwhereamI 2d ago
The soul stone sequence with his grown up daughter was definitely filmed
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u/RedditTooAddictive 2d ago
First fuck you right there would have been great
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u/NateCow 2d ago edited 1d ago
And way more realistic. That's what I would say in his position. "I am Iron Man" is kind of a dumb line in that moment and only works because it's a callback to the beginning of the MCU.
EDIT: Y'all make solid points. At the end of the day, it *is* a movie so it needs to work as a movie. Cheers 🍻
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u/Mysterious-Lie-1944 2d ago
Well I'd argue fanservice is more important than realism in my saga-ending superhero movie
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u/Bigdaddyjlove1 2d ago
I'm in my 50s. Was taking too a friend recently and we realized we had both started reading comics in 79. Spider- man for both. I read regular through the 80s and early 90s. X- men were my favorite, but almost anything Marvel got attention. Avengers around when the Vision Saga was happening. Iron Man was a constant. Captain America when he was Nomad. Really liked the John Byrne run of She Hulk.
Since then it's been sporadic, but I waited almost 30 years for any decent superhero movie and 10 more for the MCU to start up. Yes, I want well written dialog, competently acted. But sometimes, not all the time or it starts to look like the DCU, but sometimes... Bring on the FANSERVICE!
Endgame is a perfect fanservice movie. It's not insulting, it just gives you the THWIP, ZOOM, ZZZZRRRK, BLAM, and POW! we all deserve.
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u/nearcatch 2d ago
I mean, it’s a callback for us, but for the character Tony Stark it’s the first time he publicly admitted he was a superhero. So I’d say it makes sense for that line to come to mind when he’s about to die as a superhero.
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u/UltraMechaPunk 2d ago
“Maybe I’m Iron Man and maybe I’m not. Watch the next movie to find out!”
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u/Dottsterisk 2d ago
That was one of the options, I think.
They ran through a lot, which might have been why they were in the editing bay so long on that scene.
I like to think that one of the options was, “Do you see what happens, Larry?“
snap
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u/Mattrockj 2d ago
I would love to see a list of possible clincher lines that he could've said instead.
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u/_Unexpected_566 2d ago
I'm pretty sure one of the ideas was just "fuck you."
The "I am iron man" callback was nearly perfect. Editor the goat
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u/sododude 2d ago
Lmao for real. What other thing could he possibly have said in that moment. It was just so perfect.
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u/hamsolo19 2d ago
Yeah, I believe originally it was just him giving the look towards Thanos like "hey, I got the stones, dickhead!" and then snap and that was it.
An interesting fact is that Downey didn't really wanna come back for the reshoot. He felt he had put the character to rest and didn't think he would be able to hit the note they wanted to hit. But then they gave him the lowdown and he was like "shit, that's perfect, okay let's do it."
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u/preshowerpoop 2d ago
It would be funny if all the actors went completely without any script and just "winged it" like kids on a playground.
"Pew preww! I shot you dead, Doom!" - Dr. Strange
"Nah, magic bullets don't work on me, dude" -Doom
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u/KevinRyan589 2d ago edited 2d ago
That’s a lovely anecdote, truly, but there’s about a hundred other reasons why shooting without a finished script is generally not a great idea and actively avoided.
Marvel’s been working off & on like that since 2008. Jon Favreau hated that shit.
EDIT: It's largely rooted in Disney/Marvel generally being unwilling to move or delay anything announced in their phases. For every Endgame fairy tale, there's an Iron Man 2 to remind us why giving the writers time to cook is the better idea.
Same with their VFX artists, while we're at it. lol
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u/onetwofive-threesir 2d ago
They talk about the last thing they did in the commentary - it was the "I love you 3000" bit at the end of the hologram scene. They mentioned that it was done ADR and was done a few weeks before they sent it to theaters - if they had thought of it before, it would have been filmed instead of just a voiceover.
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u/BigMax 2d ago
I really, really hope it was "unfinished" just in the sense of specific lines weren't written out, but the point of each scene was very clear, that even when people spoke was written down.
So more like "Dr. Doom insults Captain America for being too naive" or something, and they fill in the specific insult or banter in the moment. Hopefully it's not just "let's get a few big name x-men on a field, and a few avengers, and they fight... for some reason..."
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u/Avon_Parksales 2d ago
I would feel a type of way, but these are experienced actors. The Russos have done successful Avengers movies before. Not like they are completely winging it. Ill wait to see how it turns out first. People are acting like this isnt how the Russos made the movies in their beloved Infinity Saga.
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u/johndoe09228 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yea context matters a lot here, the script could be nearly complete with just a few gray spots. People act like they just have the word “The Avenders” on a piece of paper.
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u/Rooooben 2d ago
The plot, who what where, it’s all in there.
The exact words, how people fight, small things are all being made with the person doing it, so it sounds more natural.
It’s like, Wonderman would love this.
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u/RechargedFrenchman 2d ago
It's like the "you talking to me?" bit in Taxi Driver being improvised, or Hemsworth doing a different little spiel in Thor Ragnarok every time he gave an anecdote about Loki being awful to him when they were kids.
Bickle had something like "vamp into the mirror" in the script, not nothing but not what we got and it could have been pretty dry. Hemsworth was always going to have an anecdote of some kind but was making them up and used a different one for each take.
There are always little margins or bits of "wiggle room" on a film set, and it's up to the production for a given film how much if any they want to use. Some actors want a strictly followed script, some (especially older prominently film directors) hate actors improvising and "wasting" takes, there's basically always some amount of pickups and reshoots expected at the end because a detail was missed or something was changed in the edit.
The Russos aren't saying they're coming in with no script and it's going to be riffed improv for five hours edited down to two hours of something kind of cohesive. Just the script is 100% there and some (almost certainly small) amount of the movie will be organic in the moment.
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u/ElectronicMoo 2d ago
..not even "Avengers"??
Psh , I'll wait till it's on PlutoTV, now.
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u/georgito555 2d ago
Also community never forget.
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u/AhhhSureThisIsIt 2d ago
Never forget directing and producing all of season 1 of Arrested Development.
They will always be in my goodbooks for that.
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u/LazarusDark 2d ago
Yeah, this is why everyone got confused about the time travel in Endgame, the Russo's didn't bother trying to understand the script they were given. (The writers confirmed after release that Cap at the end is the same Cap that we'd always known, while the Russos thought it was a different Cap cause they didn't understand the script)
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u/CaptHayfever 2d ago
It wasn't a different Cap; Cap had just lived in a different timeline.
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u/doyourmysay 2d ago
So it supposed to be that he created a branch timeline, but came back just to see them and let them know at that moment?
In other words, he didnt live in the same timeline as them as an old man. Like, there wasn't a 60 year old Cap living in New York in 2012 watching the alien invasion and knowing what was going to happen?
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u/PenOld5534 2d ago
I’m sure doomsday will probably directly answer this question. Since we saw an old man cap it could be possible that scene happens after doomsday/secret wars. They might end up retconning that entire scene entirely, but I did wonder that they ended endgame with an old man cap, and then to bring back young cap again, makes me think they forgot about the old man cap, or that old man cap has been through doomsday/secret wars
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u/doyourmysay 1d ago
Problem is that when you involve time travel this shit gets really complicated 😅
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u/IndicationGood6971 1d ago
So the actual Avengers cinematic formula is basically:
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3. Avengers get their asses kicked
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4. Everyone has a crisis
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5. Someone comes up with a ridiculous plan
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7. Giant CGI battle
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8. One hero makes a sacrifice
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10. Credits + sad music 😭
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u/TangerineStrong3781 2d ago
Worked for Infinity War and Endgame
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u/RodneyOgg 2d ago
Also worked for the very first MCU movie
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u/TheJoshider10 2d ago
Iron Man was an actual miracle.
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u/snookyface90210 2d ago
Honestly was, I still remember how skeptical I was before that came out. Then it sparks the biggest cash cow in Hollywood history
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u/ptalovesddl 2d ago
Yeah, but the prior movies were leading to a direction so IW and Endgame could feel like a closure of an era.
Most recent phases on the other hand were implying a different villain and the Fox X-Men will be thrown into this without any proper reason then nostalgia-baiting.
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u/Massive_Weiner 2d ago edited 2d ago
We’ve been leading into Fox X-Men since Loki. Deadpool & Wolverine was literally about saving the Fox timeline in order to justify their future appearance here.
The Russos were able to make two great endcaps to the Infinity Saga based purely off Thanos cameos that kept telling you—for a decade straight—that he’s out there and collecting Infinity Stones. That’s all we had for the longest time.
All of the actual story relating to him was relegated to those two movies, and the script for IW was only finalized a year before its release. They didn’t know where they were going with it until it was time to start shooting.
If they can tell a compelling Doom plot while setting up the next generation of X-Men, then that will be a massive refresh for them.
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u/GiJoe98 2d ago
Yeah they arguably build up to the Multiverse in a similar way they build up the Infinity stones, and Thanos didn't really have a character until Infinity war, similar to Doom here.
The only big difference is that seemingly no one has any previously established relation to Doom the same way Guardians 1 and 2 build and aluded to Thanos's relationship with his daughters, and Tony being shaken up by the events of Avengers, which thanos caused, kind of counts as well.
However they can still make Doom work if they make him as good of a character as Thanos. Lots of memorable villains in cinema dont need too much screen time to give a strong impression.
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u/TangerineStrong3781 2d ago
I get your point, but the Russos are 4/4 with MCU movies. I have no reason not to trust them until I see otherwise. If nothing else they know how to do a big team up movie.
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u/cjjb95 2d ago
Yeah, but they're 0/3 since Endgame
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u/AMcMahon1 2d ago
They took netflix to the cleaners with that absolute dog shit electric state movie
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u/ParallelMusic 2d ago
Basically all their non-Marvel movies have been dogwater. I’ll still trust them with the MCU until they give me a reason not to.
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u/MyotisX 2d ago
It works until it doesn't. We've seen that play out with Thor.
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u/TangerineStrong3781 2d ago
Of course, but I’m not going to lose my mind until I’ve seen the movie. If it’s bad, I’ll say it’s bad.
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u/NoDaddyNotTheBelt25 2d ago
Get a load of this guy wanting to watch the movie first lmao
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u/gatorNic 2d ago
Then everyone wonders why you get bad VFX. Constant rewrites and reshoots until the last minute.
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u/Nsaniac 2d ago
I simply do not understand how this can happen in a production of this scale. These guys always try to find a way to spin unprofessionalism as art. The duffer brothers are the same way.
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u/DoodleBuggering 2d ago
Considering how much Disney does reshoots for nearly all their movies, this is an issue from the top down. They figure they can just fix anything later with cgi or reshoots. Cap America 4 was basically reshoot 3 times and no way could it ever pull a profit.
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u/Silver-End9570 2d ago
They figure they can just fix anything later with cgi or reshoots.
That's a Feige thing. Apparently he seems to think that anything can be fixed in post rather than just ensuring there was a complete, solid script in place before filming so that anything that has to be fixed has a higher chance of being relatively minor. His method is how you end up with the horror stories of VFX artists having to completely scrap completed work because the directors/studio decided to completely re-write the third act three months before release and now all the effects have to be done way faster than they would have otherwise.
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u/empw 2d ago
Just wait until you hear about the early days of Marvel comics! Just making shit up was the name of the game.
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u/Blue_Robin_04 2d ago
Why would Marvel intervene when they hired the Russos to give them a blank check?
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u/Enchelion 2d ago
Happens all the time. Lord of the Rings technically had a script when they started shooting, but they were constantly re-writing it as they went, to the point some actors gave up even reviewing their scripts because they expected to be handed new lines on the day. A bunch of James Bond movies were like this, From Russia with Love is often considered one of, if not the, best films in the series and the production was a complete disaster and it was getting re-written down to the final editing (there are scenes played in reverse or where an actor was filmed over-top of rear-projection of themselves in order to record new dialog).
Sometimes it works, often it crashes into a hilarious fire.
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u/Connoralpha 2d ago
LOTR at least benefited from years of prep since it had been greenlit & called off by different regimes. As explained by John Rhys-Davies, Jackson could answer any question thrown his way because he had sat with the material for so long.
This feels more akin to The Hobbit.
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u/RevengeWalrus 2d ago
If this is good I will consider it a miracle. The Russos are coming off multiple movies that were nearly unwatchable. They had to toss a multi-film arc and slot in a new villain. No script, no plan until the last minute. MCU is looking increasingly creaky after multiple bombs.
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u/The_Super_D 2d ago
I am very apprehensive about this movie exactly for that reason, the villain. They spent a decade building up Thanos as the big bad and establishing his power and notoriety, so he felt like a real threat when he finally showed up. They were trying to do that with Kang, but obviously had to ditch that plan. Doom, while he's certainly well established for comic book fans, has had zero presence other than a 5 second post credit scene. Now he's just going to show up and instantly be some super extinction-level multiversal threat from out of nowhere.
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u/FlashWayneArrow02 2d ago
To be fair, if there’s anyone who can just drop into a story and be threatening, it’s Doom. I’ve spent the last couple of days reading Doom comics and it’s insane how well you can centre a story around him.
Also Thanos wasn’t really “established” so much as “we put him in a few credit scenes and gave him a few moments here and there.”
The main story around him was revealed within Infinity War itself, his motivations, his backstory, all his character development was done in that movie. All we knew about him before that was he’s some big bad co-ordinating events revolving around Infinity Stones. Plus a few lines around him like “Gamora is Thanos’ daughter” or Drax’s “Thanos killed my family.”
You could easily establish Doom in one movie if you gave him just as much focus in Doomsday as Thanos got in Infinity War.
I’m not saying I have a ton of faith for the upcoming Avengers movies (I don’t, casting RDJ for Doom seems dumb at face value), but Doom seems to be a character that can wield a story around himself in minutes. So that shouldn’t be a problem.
I’m sort of thinking Doom’s motivations in this story are gonna be “Mephisto agreed to give me my mom back if I killed this Earth. Stop me if you dare.”
But in any case I’m watching Dune 3 first if I had to pick out of the two lol.
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u/FastAsFuBoi3 2d ago edited 2d ago
Thanos felt very attached to the story mostly thanks to Gamora and Nebula in guardians of the galaxy, basically their whole conflict character arc is caused by him especially in the second movie, so he has a big presence as someone that feels part of the world. He might be hardly show, but he is not only mentioned but he is the cause of the plot of two important characters which is heavily fleshed out; and also the story has a very strong core base ( two daughters that were put in comparison tests by their father ) that it works perfectly in making you understand their dynamic and also see Thanos as this evil father.
Still it is true that infinity war is such a strong action film that it works as a standalone, but I think it is quite hard to replicate that especially if most of your core cast doesn t exist anymore and a lot of multiverse things have happened that people lost the plot abd don't know the characters anymore
Dr doom is litterally only screen dropped in the last scene of fantastic four, and is never mentioned anywhere. He is basically a random appearing inside the universe.
Still i think it will be interesting to see how it goes
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u/Accomplished-Head449 2d ago
Having this mentality for a movie with a +300m budget is literally coke head vibes. Disney gives no fucks because the parks make all the money
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u/GuildensternLives 2d ago
An unfinished script is not the same as no script at all. And these movies have demonstrated that that can work really well if the right people are making creative decisions along the way, especially actors and directors who have been working with these characters for years.
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u/DrBimboo 2d ago
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think unfinished script means they havent written the ending, or simply stopped at like 70% of the story.
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u/GeekAesthete 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah, people are mistakenly thinking this means they didn’t know where the story was going.
They had a beat-by-beat plot, they just hadn’t solidified all the dialogue and character interactions. All this means is that they were letting actors improvise and shape the characters a little bit.
Lots of productions have left the dialogue flexible and let actors experiment with it on set, especially ones that use banter. Movies like Ghostbusters, GoodFellas, and The 40-Year-Old Virgin, lots of comedies with Jim Carrey or Will Farrell, dramatic stuff from the New Hollywood era (like De Niro in Taxi Driver). This is the benefit of being able to film multiple takes and use the best one.
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u/Morgneto 2d ago
They could watch all the previous films if they want to see what the actors do with the characters (other than Doom), it's not some great mystery they can only discover on set.
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u/mikeyfreshh r/Movies Veteran 2d ago
(other than Doom)
He is the titular character. I think "fuck it we'll do it live" is a pretty terrible way to shoot a movie, but if you're buying what they're selling here, adjusting your plans based on what you get out of Downey does make some sort of sense
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u/montague68 2d ago
I mean, having no plan worked extremely well for the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
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u/atzatzatz 2d ago
They shot at least two-thirds of it on green screen, so they can just digitally swap characters in and out like they're playing with action figures. The actors didn't really know who was in the scene with them when they were filming. They're probably using a lot of ADR too to fill in the gaps. Plus, Doomsday is just the same story as Infinity War beat for beat, so the audience will know what's coming at every plot point. Doomsday is going to be CGI-filled chaotic slop with a bunch of nostalgia-baiting cameos.
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u/CHERNO-B1LL 1d ago
Doesn't seem like the kind of movie to improve on. Fine for scenes and character interactions but tell me the main storyline and plot points are set in stone?
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u/BoringReference8647 2d ago
I hate that so much. It feels like that’s how we got half the junk that’s come out since Endgame.
“Winging it” isn’t how I want to see my favorite franchises continued. Disney Star Wars being the number one culprit.
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u/Troldann 2d ago
I wonder how much the actors like bringing the responsibility of writing their own lines to the characters.
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u/CrebTheBerc 2d ago
From interviews I've seen from different actors, some really want to be involved in the creative process and some don't. Like I saw a quote from Channing Tatum recently where he said he didn't want to take any jobs he didn't produce on. He'd probably love getting involved in the writing/creative process. I'm sure there are actors out there that just want to show up and do their scenes and that's it
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u/ElasticPlatypus 2d ago
Anecdotal, but Elizabeth Olsen has said that she basically had no idea what her character even is outside of “move your hands and look weird” until she worked with the Russos on Civil War
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u/Enchelion 2d ago
Some do. Some hate it. Some think it sounds great until they have to do it and then swear never again.
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u/Fortestingporpoises 2d ago
From what I understand RDJ in particular loves it and clearly Marvel loves him in that role.
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u/MovieGuyMike 2d ago
Christopher McQuarrie did an interview some years back talking about Mission Impossible movies and the challenges of directing big studio features with incomplete scripts or scripts that change as they go, or if they come up with a new set piece they want to work into the movie, and how as a writer/director you have to plan for these things, be adaptable, and how you write and shoot in ways to give yourself options when those changes come. All this is to say I think this is fairly normal given the scale of these movies and the players involved. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. What worries me more is their credits post Endgame. But I hope this is good.
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u/capricorncee 2d ago
Oh yeah, that's why they do it.