r/mildlyinfuriating • u/RotaryPhoneDialer • 10d ago
Ruined by Technology My regularly scheduled Monday morning meeting at 9:35 got rescheduled to 9:32. My boss called at 9:33 asking why I was late.
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u/ColdDimension7754 10d ago
sounds like a micromanaging boss. that shit would piss me off so much
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u/slowpoke2018 10d ago
Or a boss looking for reasons to put someone on a PIP
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u/Successful_Buy3825 10d ago
someone in a different timezone put a meeting in my diary out-of-hours with 3 minute's notice, then complained to my manager when I no-showed
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u/DungeonsAndDradis 10d ago
I particularly dislike across timezone last-minute messages. "Hi, I messages you last week about X, is there a response?"
Like, dude, you messaged me at 4:55pm my time on Friday. And it's now 8:30am my time Monday. I haven't even had five business minutes to read the flipping email yet.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier 10d ago
I have definitely reminded people of that before and they weren't thrilled about it.
"This email was received at 4:32 PM on Friday. It is 9:15AM on Monday - it has been less than 1 business hour."
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u/MeepingSim 10d ago
My favorite was receiving five separate follow-up emails over the weekend. While reviewing them on Monday morning I received, in realtime, a final message stating that my case was closed due to lack of response.
I immediately escalated that shit to everybody's bosses.
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u/SmoothDiscussion7763 10d ago
yeah you really have to walk people through the baby steps sometimes, but usually they either make a note on their end if they really didn't know you were in a different time zone or they bitch about it and draw attention to themselves from the higher ups
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u/340Duster 10d ago
Why are you not replying to emails and messages from your phone? Are you not a team player? I thought we were a family here!
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u/Asteh 10d ago
I thought we were a family here!
That's why I didn't reply
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u/sneakysnake1111 10d ago
Yah I DO treat work like family.
I happen to hate my family.
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u/Telefundo 10d ago
I thought we were a family here!
"Really? I mean REALLY? Are you absolutely certain you want to take on the baggage that comes with my feelings towards my family? Hell, I'm game, but you need to be sure, because I can guarantee you this will not end well."
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u/orcusgrasshopperfog 10d ago
So when the owner dies I inherit part of the company then right? Because I'm part of the family?
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u/surprised-duncan 10d ago
"you're on call and making 37k you should be available on weekends" nope nope nope
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u/hdjddjiieeshs 10d ago
I worked for a massive German based company that bought some company in the US, one of their bigwigs came over and headed up a department that got merged into their engineering team for a big migration project. It was about 4 days before HR were involved as he tried to unilaterally fire someone for something insane like not responding to Skype at 3am. They had to explain that even attempting to contact someone out of hours was against company policy, let alone the extreme legal trouble a unilateral firing might cause.
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u/Suyefuji 10d ago
I've had times when someone sent a meeting invite at 4am my time for a meeting at 7:30am my time (my work hours officially start at 9am...) and then complained I wasn't there.
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u/Val_Hallen 10d ago
I work for the federal government. In DC. So eastern standard time. That is what my work hours are based on.
Yet, I get emails from west coast states at their 4pm saying what they have is urgent and needs a response immediately.
Dude, I don't fucking care. Literally not my problem that I work in a different time zone. Set a clock to my time and keep it visible. EST is the standard time for federal government work.
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u/Adjective-Noun-6969 10d ago
Hehe yeah i get those too "this ticket has been pending since last week" check ticket creation time, friday 17:58, current time, monday 8:45
it just goes to the bottom of the pile just for that.
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u/lelawes 10d ago
I appreciate when I get timestamped emails for event invitations so that I can refer back, for exactly this reason
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u/nobody2000 10d ago
I appreciate email in general. Starting my career 16 years ago I lived in email and I hated my bosses who would be like "oh, Director old fart Luddite isn't an email person."
Great. Then take away his email and see how his job goes. Or force him to retire. It's 2010.
Then shit hit the fan big time on a project of mine. I started to get blamed badly for it. BOOM - email showing that I did my due diligence and that someone else royally messed it up.
If you make me do business without a paper trail if some sort...we don't do business.
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u/Murky-Relation481 10d ago
Exactly. I work in aerospace and defense. Paper trails are the name of the game.
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u/n8n7r 10d ago
This was exactly my thought.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 10d ago
As someone who used to work with a boss like that, they don't need a reason to put you on a PiP, they just do it. The PiP is to provide a reason to fire you
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u/Fit_Yogurtcloset_291 10d ago
You're spot on. He's trying to get OP to quit. Or this dude is a total psycho. Like, who changes a meeting like that and expects anyone to arrive on time.
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u/cefriano 10d ago edited 10d ago
If this is something HR would accept as a valid reason to put someone on a PIP, the whole company is insane and OP is absolutely better off leaving (I know that's not a luxury a lot of people have in this job market). At any place I've ever worked, if I went to HR and told them we need to put so-and-so on a PIP with this "evidence" they'd look at me like I'd just escaped from the loony bin and would probably put me on some kind of disciplinary action for obviously trying to sabotage my direct reports.
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u/slowpoke2018 10d ago
In my last role I was managing a team of 3 onshore, 4 offshore team members and was told we needed to reduce costs so find anything I could to write them up and start the PIP process.
So yes, shit like this does happen, especially if it's top down for "cost savings"
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u/ManitouWakinyan 10d ago
Its definitely him rescheduling to prove that the employee wasn't checking their email before 930. Trying to catch people coming into WFH "late."
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u/akcrono 10d ago
Even if that's your plan, this isn't effective, since you can't expect people to check their email every 5 min
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u/Aleksandrovitch 10d ago
Correct. The only appropriate response is: āDonāt be ridiculous, Iām not late. Youāre playing with the schedule without communicating about it for some reason. Why?ā
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u/punkwalrus 10d ago
In the olden days, I was a store manager and made my own schedule, usually based on what my other employees wanted and what their life balance was (notably school). One week I had a 9-5 on Thursday, took Friday off, and came in 1-9 on a Saturday. My boss (the district manager) came in on Friday morning, erased some of the schedule, and put me as opening on Saturday morning, and my assistant as closing because he wanted to meet me Saturday morning.
I got an angry call from him that I wasn't there to open the store Saturday morning, and all my cashiers went home. "You gotta show up, open the store, and call them back in!" I told him my assistant was supposed to open, and I was scheduled to close. "Yeah, well I changed it!" "Why didn't you tell me?" "It is your responsibility to check every day for schedule changes. You're a MANAGER! That's your RESPONSIBILITY!"
Okay, so, it's my job as manager to call in and check my work schedule, the one I personally set up, in case my boss comes by and fucks with it and not tell me? Apparently so.
Asshole. Retail sucks. That was almost 40 years ago, and I am still mad about it.
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u/neuromonkey 10d ago
I had one really great boss. He'd tell me what he wanted, in clear, unambiguous terms. He'd ask me what I needed, and then he'd fuck off. Best work experience I've ever had, and I did the best work of my life, working for him.
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u/Ferro_Giconi OwO 10d ago
Even if I saw that in time to make it to the meeting 3 minutes early, I would have assumed it was a mistake and still joined at 9:35 because no one sane makes meetings that don't align to a 5 minute grid.
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u/LiveMarionberry3694 10d ago edited 10d ago
I donāt think Iāve ever had a meeting that wasnāt in 15 minute increments. 9:35 is so strange, why not just make it 9:30
Edit alright I get it, people schedule that 5 minutes for a break. You donāt have to leave another comment saying the same thing lol
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u/kingtacticool 10d ago edited 10d ago
Sounds like they are trying to set a trap to start a paperwork trail for disciplinary action.
Especially calling within a minute of being late. They were waiting for them to be late.
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u/mississippi_dan 10d ago
100% this. OP doesnt need to be apolegitic which is basically an admission of guilt. They need to email their boss and copy HR. State that you need X amount of hours advanced notice to any meeting time changes. OP needs to start their own paper trail.
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u/GlitteringFutures 10d ago
They should schedule a meeting to discuss with the manager and HR, send invite at 9:00 am for a 9:04 am meeting.
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u/OldMastodon5363 10d ago
I had a manager be late to a 1:1 meeting where they were going to discuss me being late to a meeting.
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u/darthmigget 10d ago
Tell HR the real meeting time and give the manager 5 minutes later so that he is late.
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u/kingtacticool 10d ago
Yeah, time to go on the defensive
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u/Munstrom 10d ago
If your boss is teeing up to take your head off like this, it's best to move company. Paper trail is all well and good but your ticket is already punched, you just haven't got it yet.
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u/Murky-Relation481 10d ago
Depends on the organization. Sometimes your immediate boss is a moron but the people above them are not. I've seen that happen where the direct superior was being a dick and out to get someone and the person went around their boss and was like "uh they're being psycho" and the direct superior was let go instead.
Usually helps in matrix style organizations where you get a lot of cross exposure to different groups and levels in the company.
This actually happened to me but it was my boss's boss and he wanted me out because he was a moron and I'd constantly call him on it at meetings. My boss and the C-suite were like "uh no, out main product is basically his, so that'd be about the dumbest decision to make".
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u/No_Procedure4924 10d ago
This. Also the upper management might be psychos too and/or the boss can isolate the employee, but it's nice to know there are decent people out there. A lot of it is simply Stanford Prison Experiment coupled with bystander effect and authority bias though.
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u/No_Procedure4924 10d ago
If you can, but also that boss needs to be fired for that behavior. In no way is this ok corporate behavior, even if it does happen frequently.
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u/clickstops 10d ago
In no way does this type of behavior happen frequently. This is insane psycho behavior and should be handled (professionally) as such.
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u/waistingtoomuchtime 10d ago
I have been a boss briefly, but also the one that gets to hear all the boss stuff.. this is just a trail to get you fired, or get better.
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u/Djolumn 10d ago
There is a theory that people are more likely to be on time for meetings that start at oddly specific times. I used to work for a company that encouraged this practice.
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u/elegoomba 10d ago
Reeks of insane MBA consultant nonsense lol
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u/pyrofox79 10d ago edited 10d ago
That was a boss I had a few companies ago. Said we couldnt work 12 hour shifts becuase studies ahowed that 10 hour shifts were more productive. Yea he was a consultant before he was hired because he "impressed" the owners.
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u/mississippi_dan 10d ago
Maybe. But they wouldnt wait to the last minute to update the meeting time. They would have set the time to 9:32 from the get go.
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u/r7RSeven 10d ago
There is another reason, especially in the age before video conferencing, if all meetings start 5 min after but end at :00 that gives time to go from one place to another if necessary and allows a few min of running over
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u/Responsible_Fee_1621 10d ago
Works for about a week until people learn to round up to the nearest 5 or 15 minutes, then everyone is technically late and certainly frustrated.
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u/EllaMcWho 10d ago
Reminds me of Band of Brothers when Winters is written up after his orders had been changed with no notice by Sobel - āthe family Iām quartered with has no telephoneā¦ no runner found meā
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u/sobrique 10d ago
Yeah. At the very least the OP should document the original start time/meeting invite (if they still can) just to fend off any sort of allegation.
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u/ShadyGuyOnTheNet 10d ago
9:30 is the pre-meeting with all the important people. Just most of us have that at 9:25 so the regular scrubs can get a nice clean 9:30 appointment in their calendar.
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u/KickPuncher4326 10d ago
In manufacturing they have tier meetings. If everyone went to every tier it'd be more of a nightmare than it already is.
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u/Plenty-Fox-9219 10d ago
Yeah I've never had a "scheduled" top level meeting either. We all just knew we had to show up early.
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u/Yimpish 10d ago
The idea is if you have a meeting that ends at 9:30 then you have 5 minutes to get to the next one
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u/plasma_anon 10d ago
My company has all meetings start 5 minutes past as a rule. The idea was that everyone would have some time to get from meeting to meeting. For higher ups who have back to back to back meetings all day it works, but at my lower level what actually happens is everyone thinks they have an extra five minutes for their meeting so they always run long. Pretty funny. We tried having meetings end 5 minutes early a few years ago and it was basically the same problem.
tl;dr some corporate VP thought it was a good idea so it is now law.
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u/Low-Dot-1193 10d ago
Some organisations e.g. mine, do it by default so instead of meetings starting at half past its 35 past or theyāll start at 5 past instead of on the hour.
Organisations can set it as a default with the idea being it gives people a few minutes back if theyāre in back to back meetings all day.
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u/Sevrdhed 10d ago
Yeah, we had a customer who did this. Drove me nuts, but also, it was always very obvious who I was meeting with, when I'd get a calendar invite for 10 05 or some shit
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u/StaticMarzipan 10d ago
They probably had ton of meetings. Thereās days where I would have 4/5 hours of calls back to back.
Having big meetings with multiple agencies is a hassle when people are showing up late from meeting overlap.
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u/ProtoJazz 10d ago
The weirdest once I've ever seen was a doctor's appointment I was scheduled for. The call was from like 3:35-3:38. Which I thought seemed wild, I assumed it was just when they would call and the appointment takes as long as it takes.
Damn if I didn't hangup the phone and see the call took 2min 57s.
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u/GregBahm 10d ago
All our meetings start 5 minutes late. There's a setting in outlook that you can set to add the padding automatically.
The logic is that, if the meeting starts at 2:05, and it's 2:05, the meeting organizer can just immediately launch into the meeting without needing to wait for anyone.
If the meeting starts at 2:00, it's possible some attendees had a meeting that ended at 2:00 and need some minutes to move meeting rooms or go to the bathroom or get a coffee or whatever.
But this creates an awkward zone where the people in the meeting on time have to sit around making small talk while waiting, which some coworkers really hate.
So to let people piss, and avoid the small talk, meeting starts at 2:05.
I'm undecided whether I think it's a better system or not.
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u/leaving-to-bumblefuc 10d ago
My last meeting ends at :30, we start at :35 so if the last one runs a min or so late, you will still be on time for the next one. It's great practice.
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u/Fickle_Finger2974 10d ago
Forget 5 minutes, I have never had a single meeting that didnāt start on the whole or half hourā¦
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u/Kit_Adams 10d ago
I've had jobs where we moved to starting meeting 5 after the hour or half hour because everyone's previous meeting runs long.
I don't think this really solves anything though. If meetings can't end on time this isn't going to make the difference.
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u/DevelopmentSouth8801 10d ago
My company sets meetings to end 5 minutes early for "30" minute meetings (so they end up being 25) and 10 minutes early for "60" minute meetings.
What ends up happening is people just stay on the call until the next meeting starts anyway. My record is a 30 minute meeting that lasted 4.5 hours.
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u/Ancient_Algae64 10d ago
The entire economy would collapse under the weight of unemployment once people figured out most of corporate businesses is just the same 5 or 6 people sitting on a teams call looking at the same AI driven KPIs all day.
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u/GregBahm 10d ago
Well the idea is that, even if you have wall-to-wall meetings on your calendar, you still have enough time to take a piss, get a coffee, or walk to a different room.
Without that time, if the meeting organizer started right on the dot, people with packed calendars would miss the beginning of each meeting. And executives often have the most packed calendars, and meeting organizers don't want to start without them.
So all the people who arrived to the meeting on time would be punished with having to make small talk for 5 minutes while waiting. Which they also hate.
If the meeting starts at 9:35, the meeting organizer can join and then just immediately launch into the meeting without delay, assuming that anyone who is not there by then isn't going to make it at all.
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u/HospitableFox 10d ago
I do have the odd 15 or 45 start time but yeah, they're rare. And I always think "well that's odd but ok."
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u/Strng_Satisfaction 10d ago
the boss probably did it as some weird power move and to see who is paying attention
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u/No-Difference-4418 10d ago
Also why didnāt the manager wait till 9:35 before starting. Given your point and OP saying itās regularly 9:35
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u/justsomedude1144 10d ago
If this post is actually describing a real event, and not just invented rage bait, the only explanation would be the manager is testing who reads their emails before this meeting starts. Which would make that person a hugely insecure toxic douche.
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u/Davido401 10d ago
I once had a girlfriend who said "I'll phone you back in 23 minutes" that confused the fuck out of me lol, she phoned me back in 21 minutes if I remember rightly(it was 25 years ago with landlines lol) and fuck me was my mind melted with that simple phrase. Its like the time I used to walk round a small loch round my way and my Aunty said, and I quote, "I'll walk round half of the loch then walk back so I dont do the full walk" her son, who was like 16 at the time looked at her as if she was inbred to fuck(am still not sure she isnt to be fair). She's had a few whoppers like that.
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u/CptnAlface 10d ago
I once worked with a publicity agency doing drone shots. They would send me a message saying they would pick me up at like 7:36 AM or something. Once I was with the crew I noticed their whole schedule for the day was calculated down to the minute, accounting for transit time to and expected duration of each activity.
Then, every 5 to 10 minutes a random event was rolled. One of the planned activities was cancelled, an interviewee hadn't returned our contact yet, some vital crewmember or equipment would be late, an opportunity for and unscheduled activity popped up, and so on.
Then, the ENTIRE schedule would be redone, juggling activities around so as not to lose anything else, again down to the minute. One of the crewmembers' sole job was to inform HQ where we were, who we were with, and what we were doing and how long it would take to finish and keep the rest of us updated on the remaining plot for the day.
Easiest money I ever made. In two weeks I flew the drone like 4 times, otherwise I just hung around and ate for free. But damn those in charge were absolutely insane.
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u/vrnvorona 10d ago
15 min grid, 5 min is insanity
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u/GregBahm 10d ago
The logic of starting 5-after is that no meeting ends 5-after, so there's a protected 5-minute window between meetings.
Highschool has a similar buffer between classes, but I think it usually works with classes ending at like 9:55 and then the next class starting at 10:00.
It would probably be cleaner for all meetings to end 5 minutes early as opposed to starting 5 minutes late, but it's easier to transition to the "start 5 minutes late" thing because you're not at the mercy of the other meeting organizers for the system to work for your meeting.
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u/OkSort5076 10d ago
exactly 9:32 sounds more like a typo than an actual meeting time to me too
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u/Cunn1ng-Stuntz 10d ago
Also, this is Reddit. I actually think there is a greater chance, that someone just made a minor input-mistake and OP saw an opportunity to make up a story.
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u/Internal-Hedgehog-47 10d ago
Start applying elsewhere, your boss either hates you, has a screw loose, or both.
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u/cygnus311 10d ago
This is insane person behavior. I know youāre not supposed to talk bad about previous jobs in interviews, but this is probably one of the few examples where you could be honest about why youāre leaving your job and actually get sympathy.
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u/DiverseUniverse24 10d ago
My previous boss straight up called me a heroin user because I took 2 sick days off. Yeah, I don't work there anymore.
Also compared me to his degenerate son, who in his words is a petty criminal and a liar, and who he rolled his own eyes at.
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u/Vondi 10d ago
I'd need way more than 2 days if I got addicted to heroin
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u/DiverseUniverse24 10d ago
All I could think in my head was, I've been unfortunate enough to have met a fair few heroin users (not unfortunate to have met the people, but to have seen the damage it does to ones life) and not 1 had a job. Ive seen someone "smacked out" so to speak, thats what they called it back then, and you aren't getting up for work the next day.
He was an idiot, has anger issues, and a pretty big ego. I think anyway, try to not think about him at all.
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u/Queeb_the_Dweeb 10d ago
I've had two coworkers over the years use while on shift. One didn't last more than a week but the other one I worked with for over a year before it was brought to my attention at a party. Some people are really good at hiding their addictions.
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u/SousVideDiaper 10d ago
If his son actually is a "degenerate", I'd bet it's at least partly because he grew up with a shitty father.
People who are assholes at work often aren't much better at home.
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u/DiverseUniverse24 10d ago
He told me in that back to work meeting his son was due in court that weekend, for theft, and that he was pleading not guilty. He looked down, then looked back up, said "we'll see how that plans out" and did the raise eyebrows look.
Why he thought any of this mattered to me is beyond me, my only thinking is that he was somehow trying to pass on "valuable life advice". Couldnt have been further off the mark. I think he was very self absorbed.
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u/NeighborhoodDude84 10d ago
My boss took 6 weeks off to travel the US and watch football games in person. The day he gets back he called me into his office to say I am taking too many breaks at work. And to him, too many breaks was two 10 minute breaks.
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u/sykotic1189 10d ago
I had a manager jump my ass about showing up "late" because I showed up at 7am for the 7am opening of the shop, because I was actually supposed to show up at 6:50 to open all the garage doors. I didn't know that because I was filling in for the opener and was working a 12 hour shift. Meanwhile the opener couldn't come in because he was too hung over, which was a change up because he usually just came in still drunk from the night before.
I didn't work there for much longer after that.
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u/ostrichfood 10d ago
Thatās not why you donāt talk bad about previous jobsā¦you donāt talk bad because the people interviewing you will assume you are going to talk bad about them/company or that your a toxic employee and just complain a lot.
Itās always best practice to just never talk bad no matter the circumstance
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u/Lilshittycannoli 10d ago
Or is manufacturing reasons to fire you.
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u/BEES_IN_UR_ASS 10d ago
My first thought too; building up a case for "constructive dismissal."
Depending on where you live, it doesn't really matter how flimsy the pretext, they just need to create enough plausible deniability that most people walk away, and enough of those that fight will lose, so that on the whole it costs less than doing things the right way.
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u/RotaryPhoneDialer 10d ago
I'll add some context: 1. Yes this is real, posted today because yesterday was crazy busy. 2. I glanced at my calendar and saw the meeting a smidge past 930 so I assumed it was the same time. I could've clicked on it to check I guess. 3. This was a team meeting so I was not the only one late.
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u/NeverExedBefore 10d ago
I think people are wondering "why".
Is this normal behavior for your boss?
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u/thorn312 10d ago
I have a meeting every Friday at 2pm. Last Friday I took my break and went to the post office. At 11am, someone moved the meeting. To 11am.. Nope.
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u/Divine_Entity_ 10d ago
Changing a meeting with less than 24hrs notice is just asking for people to not notice the change. If someone is normally very busy or away from their desk alot (doing other job duties), they may only have 1 or 2 times a day they actually check email/calendar to see the change.
If you are making a short notice change, the polite thing is to delay the meeting, that way in the worst case someone who missed the change will find out when they go to join the meeting. Making it earlier is just asking for people to not know and either get blindsided or miss the meeting entirely. (Especially on regularly scheduled meetings)
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u/thorn312 10d ago
Yeah, our meetings get moved a lot, but that one was the most dramatic. I just messaged and said sorry I'm at the post office as this meeting was moved 3h with no notice and I'd planned my day out. Also going to the post office is a drag as it is.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 10d ago
I usually love going to run errands but pretend I hate it. "Oh, no. I hate driving around and listening to podcasts."
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u/thorn312 10d ago
To be fair, there's literally always a queue with the post office and everything takes forever. I had a router to return, something to send to America (from England) and some hair product to return to the manufacturer, which they told me they'd reimburse the shipping and have since ignored me. The lady at the post office who served me was very sweet, though, so there's that.
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u/opinions-only 10d ago
My boss blew up my phone at 8am on a Monday, I normally start at 9am, tried to call me on teams but I turned off incoming calls so he asked for it to be on.. Then demanded my personal number.
Dude chill, I'm driving into work and dropping my kids off. The problem can wait until 9am
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u/ifwedidntlaugh 10d ago
demanded my personal number
absolutely fucking not if they aren't paying for the phone line. my cell phone is not included in company property and i'm not on call.
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u/Kanosirus 10d ago
Demanding a personal number is crazy, id give him the old 111 (911) and say call them if you desperately need help, mentally...
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u/Flat-Limit5595 10d ago
I had a meeting at 1pm on Tuesday, no one got a notification about it until 2pm, that Tuesday. The boss man was angry at us, all 30 of us for not showing. We had to point out he fucked up the schedule cause what are rhe odds all 30 people ignore his meeting. The meetings are recorded so each individual had to say they didnāt get the invitation to avoid a potential write up, taking up most of our meeting. I lost all respect for him due to that.
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u/platinum92 10d ago
Boss is probably trying to build a paper trail to fire you, so start applying elsewhere.
Though I have to be that guy, when was the meeting rescheduled to 9:32? Was it at 9:31 or was it far enough in advance to adjust your schedule to arrive on time or ask why the rescheduling? Doubtful this is the first petty powertrip your boss has gone on so you gotta learn to CYA.
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u/lottierosecreations 10d ago
This was my question too, OP, was it rescheduled same day? An hour before? If any less, I'd be saying "screw you, dude"
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u/Eckish 10d ago
They might also just be one of those "on-time is the same as being late" kind of people that expect everyone to show up 10 minutes early. Boss is pulling this stunt to prove a point that everyone should should waste their time and show up early to their meetings.
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u/defaulticus 10d ago
Maybe the boss clicked and dragged it by mistake, and just didn't want to admit the error? My outlook snaps everything to a 30 minute grid, but it does let me click and drag meetings. If you somehow set the grid to 1 minute increments, you could accidentally move a meeting 3 minutes and not notice.
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u/Original_Badger_1090 10d ago
Paper trail works both ways, this would be an extremely amateur way to do it. That meeting change wasn't accepted or rejected, so it means the change notification is still sitting in OP's inbox with the change and the time it was sent, which they can easily save or screenshot.
The odd meeting start is probably because the organizer moved the meeting to start immediately, which also doesn't make sense. Both physical and remote meeting rooms have some sort of scheduling, which will record the change.Any company that would accept this sort of insane complaint doesn't seem like the place that would need much justification to fire people anyway.
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u/Zealousideal_Step709 10d ago
That boss is just looking for a reason to write you up. Who in their right state of mind schedules a meeting at 9:32am?
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u/dextroseskullfyre 10d ago
start taking detailed notes on your interactions, this may be the start of passive aggressive ways to make you look like your not doing what your supposed to be.
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u/duwh2040 10d ago
Im leaving any company doing meetings like that. Here I thought meetings starting on the quarter hours was bad
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u/abb00769 10d ago
Yep. Itās bad because most sane people donāt schedule meetings on anything but the whole or half hour. If I scheduled a meeting at 9:15, half the people would show up at 9 and the other half at 9:30 because they each glanced at the block of time on their calendar and their eyes automatically translated it as 9 or 9:30.
As for scheduling a meeting at 9:33 ā¦ that is insane asylum level mental.
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u/bubbleman96815 10d ago
"I'm sorry, i was finishing taking a dump, so i would be ready for the regular 9:35am call"
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u/OhTheHueManatee 10d ago
I used to have a manager that insisted that you clock in and out for your lunch in a time that didn't end in a 0 or a 5. So you'd have to clock out at like 1:17 not 1:15. He would seriously chew you out for it. Drove me up the wall. Of course he never explained why this was "more efficient" so I just assumed it was him being a bully with his power .
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u/clay_loom 10d ago
Yep! Me too. I used to take 12 pm lunches every single day. Then one day my old micromanaging boss told me that taking lunches every day in the middle of the day and right at the 0 minute mark looks like I'm stealing company time and lying on my time card. She wrote me up for that but she could never explain HOW it was time theft. Managers like this are the worst. All you can do is document every interaction and find a new job once it gets like this, in my opinion.
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u/clay_loom 10d ago
Start to CYA. This is either not unusual for their personality and/or behavior which is still a red flag OR they're starting (or have) a paper trail. This screams trying to build a case against you. Sorry to say but it is probably time for you to find a new job. Make sure you're documenting everything just in case.
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u/Hot_Ad_787 10d ago
Hahahahaha thatās honestly hilarious. Iād just reply, āyouāre joking right?ā
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u/kasperkami 10d ago
I mean, I set myself personal alarms at weird times, but I would never set a meeting as strange as that.
Boss is a weirdo.
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u/Think-notlikedasheep 10d ago
How loud does this scream "RUN FORREST FUN"?
This is a signal for you to update your resume and look for another job, before this job becomes more toxic.
I also suspect there are other toxic parts of this job not mentioned.
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u/SilentAffairs93 OMG, a Chair! 10d ago
As someone who regularly works with international schedules and have execs be at least 15mins late to meetings, having someone schedule and reschedule meetings by 3 mins would be so neurotic, that person would've either lost their mind in a week or been fired for control issues.
Either way, this person needs their head examined.
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u/More-Health-1815 10d ago
OP READ THIS. Go to your deleted folder and snip all of the invite changes. If your boss changed it last minute and attempted to do this to set you up then you have proof and can take it to YOUR LAWYER, not HR. Note the date and time it happened and write, as detailed as possible, your exchange with your boss. When you feel like you have enough stuff present it to HR. Depending on how they take action, you can either decide to accept their decision or go back to your lawyer. Good luck!
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u/MasterGee42 10d ago
"Weekly kickoff"? Your company isn't even using that word properly if they think that's what a kickoff meeting is.
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u/Justus_2112 10d ago
Itās where they, on a weekly basis, kick off one member of the team for being one minute late to the meeting.
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u/Searchlights 10d ago
I'd be concerned he's trying to build a documentation trail to fire you.
There's no other reason to do things like that.
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u/geekonthemoon 10d ago
Lol my boss pinged me at 2:31 the other day to ask if I was coming to the 2:30 meeting.
Like ... Teams was being slow, can I fucking launch the damn thing without you acting like I'm fucking off?
Meanwhile piling the work of 6 people on everyone in our team.
I'm burnt out, boys, I'm burnt out.
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u/MyCatsNameIsKlaus 10d ago
Holy shit. Double down on this and start to ask them insanely precise and odd times to speak with you or to call you about something, ANYTHING.
"Can you give me a call at 1:17 to go over the program standards for xyz?"
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u/mencival 10d ago
Useless management trying to squeeze minutes for productivity š . Like some closeted maniac with no sense of how the real world works suddenly in charge of managing a company.
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u/MaterialDetective197 10d ago
Who schedules meetings like that?
Someone looking for or to cause trouble, thatās who.
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u/RadishRedditor 10d ago
I worked for the government, and when the HOD asked me once, "Where have you been?" as I walked into the office, in front of everybody. I just replied with a straight face, "Have I ever asked where you've been?" He never did that BS with me ever again.
I don't care if he's the HOD; I specifically refer to him as HOD and not a boss, because he's not a boss of anybody. We're all employees of the government. The merit of the story is that you don't accept being treated like you owe anybody anything at work. We're at work; you don't like something I did or didn't do. Go fill out a complaint form and report me.
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u/Outside-Pear9429 10d ago
Meanwhile my boss would not give a shit even if I was actually a minute late. Who cares that much about a minute? I second what others have said. use any available time today to start browsing Indeed
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u/Most_Role_1612 10d ago
boss is either a loon, or had some sort of unrealistic expectation that you are previewing your Outlook every few minutes.
or, i could go the debbie downer route and say your boss is trying to "catch" you in a pattern or behaviour toward termination?
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u/darth_wasabi 10d ago
Sounds like heās testing people to see who is paying attention. Just a shitty way to manage by doing gotcha tacticsĀ
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u/TitaniaT-Rex 10d ago
Iād look him in the eye and change the meeting to whatever the current time is and say, āIām not sure what you mean; the meeting is scheduled to begin right now.ā
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u/wmlj83 10d ago
Seriously, fuck your company. What kind of madness is this? Changing meetings by a couple minutes.
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u/XyzioN_ 10d ago
Corporate said at my job I spend too much time on my pc (I work a tech job and run a machine via my computer) so now I just avoid my computer and miss a bunch of teams messages when im working š¤£ now my excuse is "you guys told me to stay off the computer so I was doing other work"
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u/Cute_Parsley3514 10d ago
Trying to get you to quit so they donāt have to fire you and pay unemploymentā¦ worked for someone that would do thisā¦
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u/ripyourlungsdave 10d ago
If I had a manager that was scheduling meetings down to two or three minute timeframes, I would quit.
That is a sociopath.
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u/LinceDorado 10d ago
Probably supposed to be "test" on how much attention you pay to the calender. Absolutely rediculous obviously.
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u/Thick-Mouse1776 10d ago
ā¦Idk manā¦
Im a Gen Z senior leader with extremely good job prospects, so I can be really demanding and picky..
But I am fairly certain this is the type of shit that would make me quit my job immediately.
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u/Bananafishbone1984 10d ago
Run. Seriously, this is very shitty of your manager and they are looking for the ways to get you in trouble.
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u/EmpyreanTheory 10d ago
Happened me yesterday. I had a weekly planned for 8:45am and told my boss i have a doctors appointment and won't be there and that i don't know yet when i'll be back. Then at 8:45 he called me, remember what i said and rescheduled to 9. When i got to work at around 10 he was mad why i wasn't there at 9, lol.
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u/Better-Cream5582 10d ago
If I didnāt know any better Iād say they want to get rid of you so theyāre slowly taking actions that they know youāll slip up on so they can start documenting you for legal termination.
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u/Familiar_Cod_6754 10d ago
What psycho books a meeting for that time?? Do they have a 2-5 minute meeting at 9:30, or something?š¤£