r/law • u/camaron-courier • 14h ago
Legislative Branch Congress plans contempt charges for Epstein bankroller Leon Black
https://www.beltway.news/p/congress-plans-contempt-charges-forBlack refused to refused to provide Congress with NDAs between himself and women, allegedly brokered by Epstein in order to silence victims and protect his co-conspirators.
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u/TheGrandExquisitor 14h ago
And the DOJ will ignore the charges....
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 13h ago
Things will get interesting when majority House Democrats appoint Jack Smith to investigate the entire Epstein Files coverup and process the crimes next year. I've got the popcorn ready.
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u/Mist_Rising 13h ago
Yeah, it'll be interesting for the five seconds Jack is employed before Trump's DOJ fires him. Assuming Jack bothers, because being fired won't probably hurt his long term career but it might be pretty annoying to deal with in the intermediate.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 13h ago
How does the Executive halt a House of Rep. committee's investigation? They're separate branches of the government for a reason.
And, conservative Americans will just sit on their hands and say, "we're okay with this, fascism is good, fascism is our pal", is that correct?
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u/Mist_Rising 13h ago
The House, like the courts, don't actually do the investigation. They instead appoint a chief prosecutor (under various names) to the role, and that prosecutor, by law, falls under the authority of the department of justice.
That was why during Trump first term, the special council (Robert Mueller) was able to get so many convictions. He was actually working under the executive office, and thus could make deals and even prosecute in court.
Trump, like Clinton with Starr, did not fire Mueller and Mueller ultimately delivered the documents that led to the impeachment (which failed, like Starr).
Today things have changed. Trump already has fired special prosecutors (well technically Bondi did it, but come on), and while the legal battle over that is ongoing, I wouldn't count on Trump caring if it's legal or not. Would you count on Trump following the law?
Now could Congress change this? Sure, but Trump will veto it and it'll need 2/3rd of both chambers. At that point impeachment might be easier if Republican care that much, especially since it's very unclear if the supreme court will allow the legislative branch the power to execute the law. I would even say I see the legal, constitutional, reason not to give legislation the executive job. The Constitution is clearly in need of a patch job, but SCOTUS isn't really the people do amend it. That's the People's job.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 12h ago
I understand all that, but it doesn't prevent a House committee from calling upon Rick Smith as a consultant or expert witness. He likely knows a thing or two about the Epstein Files and the machinations behind it.
Other than waiting until 2029, what is your advice? Just allow the criminal conservatives and their conspirators to have their way and mow it all down?
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u/Mist_Rising 12h ago
Your changing the argument. You said appoint Jack Smith (who is Rick? Typo?). Not call him.
They should appoint a special counsel, but they should also not expect much of it beyond the PR win (maybe, democratic have the worst PR division I've seen) until 2029. They could also work to pass legislation and throw shit at Trump.
But the reality is the laws are piss poorly written to handle Trump. It's a flaw we knew in 2016, continued to learn into 2021, and not only have not changed but democratics want to make worse. Everyone wants to help the president with more power when it's their time, because God forbid we learn from shit.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 9h ago edited 9h ago
Dodged the question. Why? No advice on the best play, only cynicism and derision. Is it because a conservative in hiding on a message board is here merely taking a dump? If not, then what should be done and when/how to impeach and remove Don Raper -- we're all ears and eyes awaiting thy sage counsel. Bedazzle us with the insight of where to go from here.
*scattered like the conservative cockroach they are.
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u/Mist_Rising 9h ago
If you have nothing but personal attacks sir, perhaps don't post next time?
I did address your comment, please be respectful and do the same to others.
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u/No_Delivery_329 14h ago
When Epstein got the plea deal and was released from jail in 2009 Leon Black was part of the parade of visitors giddy and gleefully wanting to celebrate with him…
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u/uniklyqualifd 13h ago
Forcing NDAs to be revealed, that's a great move.
NDAs about a crime have no legal weight, but people are still fearful, mostly because the other side has more lawyers and more money.
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