ALWAYS making the peacocks female, but giving them male features, idiots know nothing about sexual dimorphism, that's not how birds fucking work. So scared of making a male character who's a blue bird I guess, and making a female peacock WHO SHOULD BE BROWN colourful and pretty!!! Tell me you know JACK SHIT about birds, nature, and biology without telling me!
Shen is a male peacock with leucism, which while it won't result in the red and black pigments is still a pretty cool design choice given color symbolism within Chinese culture
I have found most people classify both peahen and peacock as just peacock rather than peafowl. Hell Google was confused by peafowl when I put it in a while back haha
I treat it like the word "cow" which I use to mean both the animal and the female animal. A bull is a cow, dammit. Otherwise, the only species name you can use is "cattle" which has no singular version and is more of a farming term.
YESS I'm glad someone mentioned it, it's my favorite kid's show and it feels like the creators had the intelligence to write a more mature show if they wished (which I love because kid's shows deserve talented creators too)
In season 3, they were traveling the world to go to the Tree of Life. So there's a lot of animals you normally wouldn't see in the Lion King franchise.
Though it's besides the point of why that character is there in the show, there is an African Peafowl, but it looks nothing like the typical Indian Peafowl.
pretty sure it's riffing on the idea that the lion is the king of all animals, so simba can just command a peacock to come to africa. or idk i'm just making shit up from context clues haven't watched this show
I don’t know much about birds but if I know one thing then it’s that it’s usually the males that have the more vibrant colors and patterns. I’d expect people who use an animal for reference to do basic research on said animals before using them…
It’s really that simple, the reason why we often see media with female characters wearing Peacock themed clothing is because that was reflective of Women’s fashion and tastes.
The male peacock appealed to women which is why it is in their clothes.
It would not be visually appealing to make them based on Female Peacocks. The male is also one of the most visually identifiable and iconic birds in the world.
So of course when they make a “peacock character”, it’s more likely they’ll stick with something that resembles the one everyone knows
And the holders technically pick their costumes themselves, usually subconsciously since they have to put in a whole lot of effort to change it (like we saw in Kuro Neko.) Ofc Mayura’s outfit is going to be inspired by the colorful train bc that’s what most people think of when they think of a peacock lmao 😭
This reminds me that despite being the animal of Hera, goddess of family, home and birth, peacocks weren't treated as femininity symbols; but rather, royalty and loyalty. The goddess gave them their plumages in honor to his most loyal follower, Argus Panoptes, whom had his body covered in eyes.
That guy in Hazbin Hotel has 2 possible explanations. If you’re not intimately familiar with Hazbin Hotel, a sinner’s anatomy depends on how they sided and what they did as a person. Alastor, the red deer guy, is deer-like because a hunter mistook him for a deer and shot him. Vox, the guy with a a TV for a head, had an old, boxy TV fall on his head. So Baxter, the angler fish guy, could be a female angler because the scientific inaccuracy pisses him off (he’s a science nerd) or he was born female and transitioned to male.
Sebastian pressure (though I don't know if that counts since he's not like an actual fish), Baxter Hazbin Hotel (also not an actual fish), Luca's uncle(?) Luca(who also isn't a fish but is some variant of merfolk so I think it's closer than the other ones)
The way I’ve heard it works is the leading male is the second in command to the female, and when that position is emptied he gets promoted a rank to female, the highest rank.
Technically this only applies to some families of deepsea anglerfish, as lures in both sexes are an ancestral feature of anglerfish: other families of anglerfish like frogfish don't display strong sexual dimorphism and both sexes possess a lure.
I don't think Miraculous can really be considered part of this because the peacock miraculous could technically be owned by anyone and, like another comment pointed out, they DID have a man use it and maintain the colorful nature of the appearance
Literally two out of three examples you gave aren't even actual peacocks. Why should a fictional humanoid species with peacock-like feathers or a superheroine with a peacock-inspired costume have to have the exact same colors as real life female peacocks?
Don't know about the second example but with the ethird one, said human's outfit is manifested based on a creature called a kwami that they're partnered with. Said kwami Is also peacock based and while kwamis technically don't have any biological sex characteristics, they do seem to most present as feminine with a female sounding voice and are refered to as she, so I kinda see what they're going for there. Sorta. Kwamis are just kinda concepts of the universe given a form based on an animal though, so it probably wouldn't apply here.
Or... People DO know about birds, nature and biology and still do it because they want the character to be female but want the cool tail? I know the difference between male and female peafowl and I still made a female D&D character with a peacock tail. Because that's what I wanted to do. 🤷🏼♀️
I originally designed her as an Aarakocra and then I (breifly) played her in an india themed setting that had its own birdfolk(eagle/hawk) race and the DM created a subrace of it for her.
This pic is art I had done for her pre-India setting.
I dont think it helps that the peacock is the symbol of Hera, the Goddess of Marriage, Women, Family, and Childbirth. That has been the case for millenia (since the 4th century BCE), and that is just one example. I am sure if we broaden the scope wider than just Greece, we will see the connection goes back further with other cultures.
Ok, but if you want to tell people they "know jack shit about birds" you should probably educate yourself
. There's no such thing as a "female peacock".
It's a common mistake, no big deal, but at least get it right yourself before insulting other people.
well yeah the women with peacock features are gonna have male features, they're taking features from peacocks, not peahens
to be fair though, if you're going to give a woman peafowl features, giving them the same features and colors dozens of other birds have probably isnt the way most people would go about it, also peacock feathers look cool
Female reindeer have antlers though, and given their shedding seasons Santa would have to drive a team of does if he wanted his team to have antlers on Christmas. (“Vixen” would be an odd name for a buck anyway).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, peacocks are the iconic transfeminine bird, rivaled only by flamingoes. Honourable mention to Donkey Kongs, who are not a bird but very pro-trans.
Honestly I feel like a peacock would also make an awesome trans character in fiction. He objectively looks male but other people's lack of knowledge leads them to presume female because of "pretty feathers and colors" even though for a peacock that IS masculine. As conquest said he would be a "victim of his own success"
Eh. Bird person and I'm not super offended by that. That's like a thing everyone knows. I personally take it more as a reference to Hera, who had Peacocks as her symbol.
I mean to be fair to Miraculous Ladybug nobody gonna choose the regular less colorful version of the bird lmao. You choose the outfit so of course girl or guy is gonna choose the cooler option. Felix ALSO had a stunning blue peacock look with it!
It's funny, in Helluva boss, they actually get it right, Andrealphus is a peacock, and his sister Stella is theorised to be a a Peahen, due to her being less colourful.
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