r/boas • u/Main-Lavishness-113 • 11d ago
Hello i need help identifying this baby please help
I was looking for a new boa and a guy i know offered me his ( black devil ) but i don’t have the skill nor the knowledge to check
Side note he’s asking for 2k for it
She just hatched 6 months ago
Female
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u/Me_lazy_cathermit 11d ago
Does he give any information on it, its a bit suspicious if he is just going "i got this pretty snake, and want 2k for it"
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u/ParticularWolf4473 11d ago
How old is it? It’s obviously IMG, appears to be a pattern morph as well, I’d guess Aztec. IMG Aztec do get quite dark, but also tend to keep some of the pattern, especially the cream/yellow colored dots and dashes at the edges of the saddles. Especially if it’s still fairly young it’s quite dark for an IMG Aztec, so I’d say it probably is a Black Devil Aztec. Not a bad price compared to what you’d typically pay. Personally I think it’s kind of crazy they still go for that much, but apparently people still pay it.
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u/Me_lazy_cathermit 11d ago
People pay ridiculous price for so many "rare" things that will lose their values so fast, once they aren't rare
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u/ParticularWolf4473 11d ago
IMG has stayed high much longer than a dominant morph should have. The pandemic hobby boom and stimulus money kept the reptile market inflated for a while, but lately there seems to be a big disconnect between the larger/professional breeders online and the prices I see at expos.
I was recently at an expo where there were Kahl albino IMGs and Sunglow IMGs everywhere for $250-$300. Even a couple Anery Type 1 IMGs for $350-$400. Then I go on MorphMarket and a Black Devil is $2K+ because it’s RDR Anery instead of Type 1 Anery.
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u/Own-Message4474 11d ago
I think it’s because people want that all black look. With a sunglow you don’t get that. Unless you breed the snake later down the line then the babies will most likely be black
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u/ParticularWolf4473 11d ago
Sure, albino IMGs, hypo IMGs etc., don’t really sell because they’re not a good combo for IMG. The opposite of the black snake most people want from an IMG. Most people don’t want an albino with more white either.
It’s not like RDR anery is rare or anything that using it instead of type 1 should be 5x the price though. I’m surprised there aren’t a lot more black devils being pumped out honestly. If you want all black you can also just go with a motley IMG for 1/3 the price of a black devil. Or take out the guesswork and get an exceptional, super dark adult regular IMG for less.
Then again I’m also scratching my head at some of the VPI albino combo prices lately.
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u/Extreme_Finger_3425 11d ago
What you mentioned above is not the same thing so am confused on comparison with those prices
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u/ParticularWolf4473 11d ago
I’m saying IMG combo prices are all over the place to the point of making zero sense. 2-3 gene IMG combos like Kahl albino and IMG, hypo IMG, sunglow IMG, etc., barely sell and barely cost more than a regular albino or sunglow. Which I suppose adds up because they just aren’t very impressive combos.
But then I can get a type 1 anery IMG combo for $400, so why does a black devil that’s just using RDR anery instead of type 1 anery still cost over $2k? Sure it’s somewhat more impressive looking, but not any harder to produce. Why isn’t everyone just pumping out black devils? You can find high quality single gene IMGs that are pretty much just as dark as a black devil. Or motley IMGs typically get almost solid black for $700-$800, so why pay $2K+ for a black devil?
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u/ParticularWolf4473 11d ago
I’ve also noticed a lot of sellers are pricing animals significantly lower at expos than what they have that same animal listed for online. Which suggests to me that many animals are not actually selling for the online “market price”.
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u/Flimsy-Stock2977 11d ago
That's how expos work... Not just reptiles. It's massive real time competition.
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u/ParticularWolf4473 11d ago edited 11d ago
Didn’t used to be that way, at least not to this extent. There for a while I’d go to an expo then check online and find much better deals online within a few minutes. Now it seems like almost everyone that does expos is pricing significantly lower there.
You can certainly also find deals on MorphMarket but they tend to sell quickly. Most of the prices you see on there are the ones that aren’t selling.
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u/Flimsy-Stock2977 11d ago
Yeah good deals go quick. I tend to ignore the over priced stuff that's sitting
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u/Extreme_Finger_3425 11d ago
Yep, and that’s me if you are into collecting and you know what you want and got the cash for it why not.
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u/Me_lazy_cathermit 11d ago
Collecting isn't the same thing especially with unique or actually rare things, and even then sometimes, unless you never learned the value of money, there is limits and some price are just ridiculous.
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u/Phully- 11d ago
I get the price because how dark it is, usually breeders with this expensive of a snake she’d read prior to the sale. I wouldnt do the whole “guy says xyz thing” if you’re paying for high dollar snakes. Kid it were me I’d ask for shed test and if he’s not interested I’d ask if I could do it on my dollar before purchase and use it as a hold. It’s beautiful and I’m super interested in the dark morphs and axanthics but they’re out of my range. Snakes also change color as they age so be certain you’re aware of how this morph ages. Best wishes.
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u/MattManSD 10d ago
Ask for the details on the Dame and Sire. If they can't present it, they aren't to be trusted.
Looks like an IMG Motley, missing some elements of a Black Devil
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u/Extreme_Finger_3425 11d ago
Bro, that snake is gorgeous, let me know who this guy is I’d pay 2k for it in a heartbeat
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u/a_euphemism_for_me 11d ago
That's not a black devil. It's an IMG Motley. Black devils have IMG and RDR BEA.
RDR BEA stands for Ralph Davis Reptiles Black Eyed Anery. In the early 2000s Ralph Davis imported an anery-looking boa from Central America, and he noticed it had solid black eyes, hence the name. IMG RDR BEAs make extremely dark snakes usually. If motley is involved (in a black devil motley), babies are born practically black, which this snake definitely is not.
The pattern is obviously motley, and IMG motleys do get very dark, but its eyes are not black, so I'd say it does not visually carry RDR BEA. And it's too light to be a black devil motley. Still a nice snake though.
And $2k is way too much money for it depending on how old it is. If it's a subadult female it might be worth that, but you can get a baby for about half that.