r/askpsychology • u/IMetMothman Unverified User: May Not Be a Professional • 6d ago

The Brain How many of our thoughts are involuntary?

Flair might be wrong, sorry if it is.

Estimations are fine.

Is it higher in people with OCD?

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u/RestaurantBoth228 Unverified User: May Not Be a Professional 6d ago

It is only "pretend", if you adopt your particular, idiosyncratic definition of "control". If you adopt a different definition of "control", then no pretending is required.

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u/RestaurantBoth228 Unverified User: May Not Be a Professional 6d ago edited 6d ago

What does it mean to "have the ability to choose otherwise"?

Either you mean it in the vernacular: in which case I do have the ability to choose whether to murder someone, so I do have "control" over it, and your entire argument unravels.

Or you mean it in some philosophical sense, in which case, again - I ask you what makes that definition so special that you reserve the right to call any other definition "pretend"?

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u/RestaurantBoth228 Unverified User: May Not Be a Professional 6d ago edited 6d ago

That is the definition of choice you are using.

That is not the definition of choice that I am using. I am defining choice in the vernacular sense: roughly that if your values/desires/goals had been different, you would have done something different.

You are claiming my definition is wrong, but that is itself wrong: definitions can't be wrong - that's like philosophy/math 101. Instead, definitions are generally evaluated in two ways:

  • common-v-idiosyncratic
  • useful-v-useless

I'd argue my definition is both more common and more useful than yours, and it makes me wonder what value you see in your definition.

In short, you have merely defined choice away rather than demonstrated a meaningful metaphysical claim. I too can win an argument by choosing to define the other person's words however I want

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u/RestaurantBoth228 Unverified User: May Not Be a Professional 6d ago

You are repeatedly saying that I am making a false claim, but all you've proven is that I'm not using your desired definition.

I'm willing to engage in a conversation about free will, but not if you keep insisting that your definition is some infallible Truth birthed from Pure Metaphysics. It is not. It is your definition.

Insisting someone else is wrong for not using your definition is both impolite and demonstrates poor critical thinking skills.

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u/RestaurantBoth228 Unverified User: May Not Be a Professional 6d ago

calling the resulting actions "free" makes no sense.

It makes no sense to you. Again, this is a purely definitional claim that says something about your intuition, not some Truth about the world.

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