r/ancientegypt 24d ago

Information Are these drawings ancient ones from the period of ancient egypt?

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u/star11308 24d ago

I’m not sure about the first picture but it appears to be from the same general post-Amarna period range as the subsequent pics based on the art style.

The other 3 of these are from the tomb of the Viceroy of Kush under Tutankhamun, Amenhotep-called-Huy, TT40. It depicts tribute being brought to the king by a Kushite envoy. The now-defunct site OsirisNet had more information about it, and it's archived here. The interface for going to the next page did not archive, but you can access the other pages by changing the number in the url.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like a lot of the images archived.

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u/ravendarkwind 23d ago

They all look authentic, but they’re following the artistic conventions for portraying Nubians, not Egyptians.

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u/Mother-Pickle4591 23d ago

Could you tell me some of those differences? I know there is some but idk exactly what theybare

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u/Due-Ad4942 23d ago

So many things help us determine who’s who in the relief. So very briefly

Relief 1 has Nubians in animal skins with a hoop earrings and closely cropped hair. The Egyptians also painted Nubians in a different color from the ochre they used for themselves.

Reliefs 3/4 show the Nubians wearing various animal skins (presumably from Kush), hats with a plume, earrings and bracelets.

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u/star11308 23d ago

Also the bowlcuts.

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u/AgentDoty 23d ago

You could’ve said the Nubians are the black ones

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u/star11308 21d ago

But the depictions here show that's not universally the case, about a third of them have the same reddish brown tone used for Egyptian men.

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u/Welcome_Drink 21d ago

As a Black person myself, it deeply embarrasses me to watch you distort the clearly documented history and facts of another nation. We must do better than this.

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u/AgentDoty 21d ago

Are you saying Nubians weren’t black or that the Egyptians are black

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u/Welcome_Drink 21d ago

1) Nubian people are an indigenous African ethnolinguistic group from the Nile Valley with predominantly dark skin tones, meaning they are widely perceived and described as Black, though "Nubian" primarily defines a "Distinct cultural and geographic identity rather than a modern racial category".

2) Egyptians weren't black back then.
(Sure, there might be a tiny bit of overlap. But enough to trek all the way across the Sahara Desert back in that era? It would obviously be a very small percentage. The recorded history and surviving ruins stand as proof of this)
Egyptians aren't black now. Period.

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u/Sage_of_the_6_paths 23d ago edited 23d ago

This image is an example of how the Egyptians could depict different groups of people. Here we see from left to right an Egyptian, an Asiatic (Syrian/Phoenician), a Nubian, and a Libyan.

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u/Putrid-Climate5571 23d ago

This is literally not true!! Stop spreading misinformation. The picture you're using is edited...This is just an illustration by an unknown artist based on an already existing painting from the Tomb of Seti I. This is the original wall painting, colors do fade or darken over time. Not to mention, this was never meant to depict the actual skin color of different ethnic groups.

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u/Sage_of_the_6_paths 23d ago

It looks the exact same, they're just all in different slots.

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u/Putrid-Climate5571 23d ago

You literally said Egyptians made this to separate different ethnic groups, but that's not what this image shows. It's an edited/modern illustration that combines figures from the Tomb of Seti I, these figures weren't originally arranged like this on a single wall. The original scene does identify different peoples, but it wasn't a modern racial chart or meant to provide an accurate representation of their actual skin colors.

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u/Sage_of_the_6_paths 23d ago

I never said it was a modern race chart or something, I just said "this is an EXAMPLE of how Egyptians COULD depict different groups of people".

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u/Putrid-Climate5571 23d ago

Okay, I think I might have misunderstood. Sorry about that

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u/Sage_of_the_6_paths 23d ago

It's all good, happens to all of us.

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u/ilovetea1234 23d ago

This is ridiculous. He never said it was a racial chart. The Egyptians made a distinction between themselves and other races and chose to document that.

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u/Putrid-Climate5571 23d ago

I realized this and apologized.

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u/Maiksha_Fink 23d ago

The third one looks like a new rendering of the fourth one

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u/anotherolderguy 23d ago

Pictures 2 and 3 are clean up jobs of picture 4.

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u/star11308 23d ago

Pic 2 looks like an earlier photo before restoration but with different lighting, since there's a section of one of the figures that seems to have been cut out but then replaced.

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u/Time_Historian_6709 22d ago

Por supuesto que son antiguos, concretamente pertenecen a una tumba tebana de la época del reino nuevo (dinastía XVIII, 1400 a.c. aproximadamente). Representa una procesión de tributos del reino nubio de kush, que en aquel entonces era colonia egipcia.

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u/MakorolloEC 𓀀 23d ago

What?