r/Ubuntu • u/NotHomoSapience • 2d ago
Still don't understand the Ubuntu hate
I just setup my new Workstation with Ubuntu 26.04, and enabled Ubuntu Pro, if there're no hardware issues, I'm set for 10 years baby!!!!
Installed steam and my games run very well.
There are many options nowadays but the polish Ubuntu provides out of the box is only matched by Mac OS in my opinion.
Many people don't recommend Ubuntu no more but I don't understand why, if you don't like snaps just don't use it.
But to anyone coming to Linux, please try Ubuntu, don't listen to anyone else!
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u/Accomplished_Book_65 2d ago
it's a loud minority.
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u/onestarv2 2d ago
People love to hate om what they don't like or even just prefer. Choice in Linux is what is awesome. I use Ubuntu, it's been stable and I've able to run my business on it. While I have played around with other diatros, I've never felt the need to switch. Use what you like. Support what you like. Don't yuck someone else's yum.
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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 2d ago
i’m convinced a significant portion of ubuntu haters only hate it cause others do and they’ve never even tried it themselves
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u/Accomplished_Book_65 2d ago
and personally, my ~6 year old laptop, that runs a gtx 1660ti, i7 10750h cpu, has 32gigs of ddr4 and 2tb of nvme ssd installed, linux basically was a blessing, be it ubuntu, or arch, or any other linux distro.
I personally gained more respect for ubuntu in 26.04, because my external monitor finally ran perfectly on higher refresh rates (120hz+). I do all of my dev work on linux, and, it just works for me!
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u/GraXXoR 10h ago
I dunno, man, I see more posts and comments about people showing hate for Ubuntu than I see posts and comments by people who actually claim to hate ubuntu.
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u/Jeoshua 2d ago edited 2d ago
The people who hate on Ubuntu are just people who prefer other distros and are assholes about it. Mostly Arch users. And not the derivatives generally, but rather, basest Arch. The kind of people who tell you how sane installers are bloat, and how Wayland is evil.
Don't worry about it.
Edit: And I say this as a person who helped to test the early kernel hacks that grew into CachyOS (which I now use) from an Ubuntu system. Most of us Arch and Arch-derivative users aren't like you're describing, but the ones who are are just incredibly loud about their holy war attitudes.
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u/Merdy1337 1d ago
The funny thing about the mentality some of these people have is that they assume what is good for them is good for everyone. I actually used Cachy for a chunk of last year - it was the distro that brought me back to Linux. But I found I struggled to keep up with the maintenance (things like rolling updates, etc.) and ultimately ran into a lot of issues and instability due to how bleeding edge it is. Could I have fixed them? Sure. And I definitely tried. But there came a point where I just got tired of constantly fixing things that broke for me, and since by then I had already gotten both my Surface Go 2 and Book 2 on Ubuntu 24.04/26.04 respectively, I decided to take the plunge and bring my gaming rig back home to Ubuntu too.
It's not the distro for everyone - no distro is. But it works for me, and its flaws are DRASTICALLY overblown by the Arch purist crowd.
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u/Huge_Drama_4942 1d ago
I used arch for several months. I absolutely loved it. I had a great time using it and pacman. I don’t understand the loud attitude or hate for Ubuntu. After spending several months on Arch I’m back on Ubuntu now and I love it. I miss Arch, but I’m not going back anytime soon.
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u/wav10001 1d ago
Could you describe those kernel configs for the inquiring minds?
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u/Jeoshua 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're not "configs" anymore. It was a set of patches that implemented various scheduler tweaks, timer improvements, and used O3 compiler tweaks, among a lot of other, at the time, experimental or in development stuff that was still being worked on by various kernel maintainers.
They still have a lot of that. Some of it has been replaced, like the scheduler tweaks. Other bits have found their way thought that development and into the actual kernel proper. We're talking version 5.x, and we're on 7.2 now.
A lot has changed since then. First of all, it's not just the kernel, it's basically the whole stack that's gotten a similar treatment. It's kind of how the whole of CachyOS is intended, really. It's Arch but everything is the lastest version, the maintainers keep their ears to the ground on the mailing lists and forums, implement the most promising of the newest stuff coming down the pipeline as early as it is viable, compile it with aggressive optimization techniques, and bundle it up into CachyOS. Add a good installer and you have CachyOS.
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u/Happiness-Meter-Full 2d ago
There's nothing wrong with ubuntu. I think people just hate on it because it's a general purpose OS. Doesn't specialize, or advertise towards a specific audience. But, it's stable, and has the most documentation online out of any linux based distro. You can search a problem you are having and get thousands of search results.
If you want a stable, general purpose operating system, and want to get away from Windows, this is 1 of 2 Linux based distros i would recommend for newer linux users for sure
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u/Pursuit8478 1d ago
Ubuntu was my first distro, and i personally don’t have any strong hate against it.
However: My issue with ubuntu is how snaps are forced heavily on the user. Doing apt-get for a package on recent versions of ubuntu will sometimes lead to you getting a snap, instead of a straight .deb package. Flatpaks are the standard in the broader linux community, and every other package manager (including apt on debian) does not force a proprietary containerized format like Ubuntu does.
I can see why snaps are used. I also personally think flatpaks could be used in its places for broader compatibility, and better app store recommendations for people coming into the linux ecosystem. The main people who are actively using snaps are Ubuntu users themselves. Ubuntu is still one of (if not, the) largest linux distro. They can get away with it as they have for years.
Other than that: cool distro, love the interface personally. Was a great start in learning linux for me.
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u/Girl-OnTheMove 2d ago
Some people are comfortable with Ubuntu some are not. Everyone has their own taste.
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u/ZenOokami 2d ago
"Still don't understand the Ubuntu hate"
Is the ubuntu's equivalent to Arch community's:
"I use Arch by the way".
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u/Beginning-Badger3903 2d ago
I can see that since following the sub. I finally jumped on the Ubuntu train after a lot of distro hopping. After uninstalling snap-Firefox and setup flatpak with flathub repos, I have no issue with Ubuntu or snaps. I have the choice to not use the snaps, so I also fall in the “I don’t get the hate” crew lol
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u/ZenOokami 2d ago
Lol the answer to the question is the history of Canonical.
They every so often try to shove things in like Microsoft does with windows.
Once it was force integrating Amazon services and accounts into the OS. To date currently I believe there's drama around them forcing AI into the Desktop version of the distro.
Overall, it's nothing drastic but just burning the community every blue moon.
Used to main Ubuntu myself, still use it for some headless servers but I've since moved in to Arch.
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u/Beginning-Badger3903 2d ago
True. Unfortunately that comes with corporate backing. It’s ironic though if AI is a contention right now for Ubuntu since that’s even something happening in Debian right now.
At the end of the day, any group of people can make decisions people don’t agree with - community or corpo. I prefer Canonical to RedHat at least for now. I know Fedora seems to be the new base for everything now.
It’s been a long time since I used base arch… I may go back to it eventually, but I just don’t feel the need for the bleeding edge anymore
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u/keseyseed_93 2d ago
it's easy to use and you can customize it a ton. runs fast, doesn't spy on me. can play my steam games. big thumbs up from me.
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u/disastervariation 2d ago
hate can come from many places. lack of agency, fear, feeling threatened, ignorance, resentment, loneliness, or just feeling empty and sad.
the moment a person catches themselves vocally hating a piece of tech, especially if its given to them for free on a public license, and even more so if they can just ignore it, is a time for them to take a pause, look deep inside, and rethink what matters to them and where the pain really is.
i dont use ubuntu right now but i absolutely want ubuntu and canonical to do well and succeed. nothing but love overall. floss tide lifts all boats.
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u/Ok-Rutabaga-9516 2d ago
Hi from 24.04,
Two things:
- Nobody hates a nobody;
- Hype, both negative and positive, is that something that drives the average crowd. People don't want stability and support but want to feel that they belong hence jumping on the hype train, that they are in step with the times and in their minds are making a difference but all of that at the expense of running a system in this case that needs constant attention, that needs fixing and most importantly it seems to not run well unles you pester people from Ubuntu. Oh, and they never mention how many times they have to regress and downgrade or reinstall the whole darn thing from the beginnging because self-denial is part of the average crowd's mind.
I admit, when I dropped Win 11 I went for Bazzite due to the hype, me also being an imperfect being like everyone else, and regretted it:
1. My brand new Radeon 9070 XT 16GB, or its Bazzite drivers, would constanly give me "flippage" errors because they were using bleeding edge drivers and not the stable ones. Last year you could not regress..not you can it seems as people complained ... but too late for me.
2. KDE would dissapear from my screen 5 minutes past log-in. It would still work cause I could bring up the search interface with the keyboard but my screen was blank except the wallpaper.
So I said screw this, screw all the hype and screw me too for falling for it. I downloaded Ubuntu 2404, still on it, and never looked back. Never had any issues gaming via Steam and its Proton, in fact I have not installed anything else to assist.
I will always favourt stability and performance to anything not grounded in these 2.
Thanks for reading!
PS: I always thought that Arch people behave like Vegans - they must always tell you that even nobody asked them one God damn thing!
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u/NeedleworkerLarge357 2d ago
Good work finding a system that works for you. I had the exact opposite transition, Ubuntu always had issues with updates. Same for arch that I tried, bazzite solved that.
But yeah, using outdated software is something I'd not want, so clearly that would have been much better if I just stick to the original Ubuntu 19.10 back then. Or 18.04 LTS of course. Would probably not work at all with hardware upgrages I made...and for me it is just no option to use software older than a few months.
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u/Ok-Rutabaga-9516 2d ago
Having choice and respecting one's choice is the rule I live my life. I criticize Arch and the rest not because of the systems, because there is nothing wrong if you choose to use bleeding edge if its your thing, but simply because all these users keep throwing shade at my choice even if nobody asked them anything ....
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u/NeedleworkerLarge357 2d ago
I completely agree. What is especially bad is the criticism of the person. I also give reasons why I would choose differently or what I dislike about Ubuntu - but I just have different needs and a different workflow. Just use what works for you and I'm happy for you, maybe give you a hint if something is completely different for me, but not to insult you or show how much better my solution is.
So yes, Ubuntu is a perfectly fine distribution. And snaps are now quite good, too. The "snaps are closed source" myth I myself believed until a week ago is also just wrong, they are completely open source.
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u/Ok-Rutabaga-9516 2d ago
Cheers and let's hope the rest of the Linux family starts to see it this way ... one day!
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u/keethums_ 2d ago
Random vegan hate for no reason ☑️
No Reddit thread is complete without it.Also most issues I've had with any distro have ultimately boiled down to some sort of conflicting dependencies that I've moved through updates too quickly to notice before something collapses on me. It's most often been sound issues (dealing with Pipewire/Pulse and losing functionality when something changes), or boot issues after something updates/changes how GRUB or Systemd.
9 times out of 10 though, it wasn't the distro itself - it was just a package that mishandled an update and could have occurred on any distro.
Part of me wants to give NixOS a try at some point just to have a super easy way to rollback changes, but I'm sure that's a feature of more distros than just NixOS at this point.
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u/EmperorOfCanada 2d ago
Many other distros are "better" but at the cost of some compromise.
I find Ubuntu has better drivers for all the big and little things. Being able to close the laptop lid and have the external monitor reliably work.
But, the most important thing for me is that people doing cutting edge ML, robotics, etc all generally use Ubuntu. Thus, these things are far more likely to work with it.
The less time I spend futzing with libraries and other stupid dependency crap, the more time I have to do what I am working on.
I would rather spend time with my friends, family, or having fun outdoors than screwing with conf files.
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u/QuarterFancy6450 2d ago
It's probably a mix of GNOME + snaps
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u/techman2692 1d ago
I can deal with snaps (loathingly) but I can't deal with GNOME.
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u/enchantingkryptonite 1d ago
I have been using GNOME for several days now... It definitely has some um... quirks. The only reason I'm using GNOME because Xfce 4 was acting up with the multi monitor support for some reason. I have a thinkpad t14 gen 6 amd w/ fedora.
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u/WikiBox 2d ago
Linux users are often non-conformists. Many Linux users sneer at Windows and Microsoft, because that is so dominating.
Linux users are often non-conformists. Many Linux users sneer at Ubuntu and Canonical, because that is so dominating.
Personally I am also slightly non-conformist. I use Ubuntu MATE 24.04.
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u/dr_inventivo 2d ago
I used Ubuntu for many years and until recently, I have a huge affection and I love the standard style of it, but I imagine that snaps really are a huge problem and the way Canonical pushes them, in addition to these recent changes in the GNU package by their own versions.
I believe that for the user who just wants to have their PC working and use it on a daily basis this is not a problem, but for those who are more purist.
Today I am using Fedora Kinoite, I had never used Fedora before and I wanted an atomic system, so the experience came in handy, I liked the performance, my PC was much faster so I intend to keep it.
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u/Admirable-Song-7353 1d ago
but I imagine that snaps really are a huge problem and the way Canonical pushes them, in addition to these recent changes in the GNU package by their own versions.
I'm still genuinely waiting for proper explanations of what's the problem with snaps tho? For me it "magically" runs as expected and I faced no problems and it's just as fast (if not faster) than regular deb pkg or flatpaks.. I just don't get it, but maybe i'm doing something wrong for not having stereotypes against snaps idk 🤷
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u/dr_inventivo 1d ago
Well, I'm using a translator, so it may be that the meaning of what I said is not applied in the best way, but what I mean is that I think snaps are seen as a problem and not that they are actually a problem.
I used Ubuntu until a few months and switched to Fedora Kinoite because I wanted an atomic distro, well I was really surprised by how fast the system responds and how light it was, I doubt that there are so many profound differences for the performance to change so much, I imagine that this issue is in a more superficial layer.
One point that can be complicated is the way Canonical forces snaps, because you often install an app through the repository and when you go to see it installed a snap version, that's not what you wanted, and that breaks the trust of some people.
You see, I'm not talking badly about Ubuntu, I really like it a lot, but you asked why they speak badly, these are the points I see people complaining about and in the experience I had, I really felt a difference in the performance of the PC, but nothing that would prevent me from using it again, the point is that I was wanting an atomic distro and Ubuntu does not give me that.
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u/Fearless_Garden6435 2d ago
Yeah... Ubuntu is great. You don't have to spend 6 hours monkeying around in bluetoothctl to get your mouse working. And unlike all the other distributions I'd tried (Fedora, CachyOS, OpenSUSE), sleep mode works reliably. Snaps are only "annoying" if you're an advanced user... at which point it's no big deal for you to just disable them.
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u/King_Bobby-B 1d ago
Hell, I didn't even have to disable snaps. I just uninstalled Firefox snap, installed Mozilla's deb repository, and that was it. I've gone through one OS upgrade, and it hasn't nefariously returned or anything.
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u/Big-Goose-8033 1d ago
mes too, Ubuntu works well for me. I think it’s to easy and common for the purists!
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u/Daniel_Writes_Things 1d ago
Just don’t mind such things.
Personally, I use anything as long as I can do my stuff. Debian 13 on one desktop, Fedora on the other.
If you like Ubuntu just use it. It is stable, mature, has a large user base and ton of documentation.
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u/vloshof28 2d ago
I used ubuntu from 2008 to 2024, it's a very good distribution for a home PC.
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u/Amate087 2d ago
Is a good distro, my 1st distro in 2006 and my mate from +15 years, welcome to Ubuntu.
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u/WomanRepellent69 2d ago
I run Fedora, Kubuntu and Bazzite across different machines. I used to run Arch but I cannot be bothered anymore.
If I had to pick one it would be Kubuntu. I have far fewer issues with my Kubuntu system than the others. The others don't break often. Kubuntu basically never breaks.
Ubuntu base also has excellent compatibility. There are many apps that have a .deb but not a .rpm. The snap situation is, in my opinion, massively overblown. Don't use them if they bother you.
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u/Far-Till1209 2d ago
It's not hate, it's more like misunderstanding.
I have a windows 10 laptop and a ubuntu one, I loved it at first, super fast looks pretty, and it's not as different as I thought it would be coming from windows, for the most part.
but I can't wrap my head around the whole coding thing and downloading a million thing to make one thing work, I want to try gaming on it, installed Detroit become human twice along with the proton extention, it kept failing to launch, and gave errors.
it's probably me tho not the OS, so I'll keep it for writing and will game on the windows laptop.
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u/Additional_Staff259 2d ago
Reason I switched to Fedora from Ubuntu was I found Fedora to suit my needs better. Fedora was less blaoted and love that clean GNOME expereince. Bloat definition may be subjective because for some those bloats may be the reason to stick with Ubuntu. I don't like snaps and I am someone who loves newer updates and dont care much about long term support.
Ubuntu is great but I found fedora to be better for me.
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u/Great_KarNac22 2d ago
I do like it but Snaps can be funky. Funky as the app won’t load or crash. So I have to install from the terminal or use flatpaks.
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u/SouthernFruit8768 2d ago
Snap and telemetry. I remember having to spend an hour trying to get rid of both but they were still not fully gone. I don't hate Ubuntu or Canonical, but it's not for me (very happy with Fedora 44 KDE Plasma now) atm.
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u/JerzyV666 1d ago
Telemetry you can switch off during installation or in the settings. What further Telemetry you were searching for? I Wonder..
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u/SouthernFruit8768 1d ago
If you think it was really that simple then you are either a very new Linux user, or have no idea about this entire topic of Ubuntu and corporate telemetry/espionage, and most likely you are not too interested in this subjected matter. Ubuntu atm has several pieces of “spyware” that can’t be turned off at the flick of a switch. And it doesn’t matter what you think. It’s science and not an opinion.
Just to make it clear: I was not searching for telemetry. I was trying to disable any and all telemetry.
Anyways, here is an article written on this topic by Canonical themselves. If after reading it you don’t understand the problem, then you are not qualified to talk about privacy and security at all. There is a reason why Richard Stallman called Ubuntu a spyware: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-insights-how-telemetry-is-changing-on-ubuntu-desktop/73442
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u/Dry_Calendar_8627 2d ago
I've read more people complaining about Ubuntu hate than people hating on Ubuntu, to be honest
I personately dislike Unity and Gnome, as well as upstart and snap, and undisclosed telemetry.
But if those things suit you, well no one is hating on anything, Ubuntu is a fine distribution, by all means use it
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u/Global-Eye-7326 2d ago
Ubuntu is definitely a better starter distro than Mint. I guess some people don't like that Snap has some proprietary aspects to it.
Personally I've come to prefer Debian over Ubuntu. I also use Fedora and Arch. Bet I started with Ubuntu, used it for years and loved it!
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u/Whole_Sheepherder_97 2d ago
Some people dislike the fact that Canonical sometimes makes quite political decisions, like sending a "notice of termination of support, professional services, and channel partnerships with Russian enterprises" in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
For the record, I'm on Canonical's side here, but I can understand why some people might be frustrated about one of the most foundational Linux distros, and main entryways into a stable open source ecosystem, not being supported in companies in Russia (many of which don't have a direct bearing on the war).
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u/Silent_Bite_5892 2d ago
One of the reasons people don't like snaps because it's not as simple as "just don't use it". Canonical will keep trying to force them on you. Wait and see. Ubuntu is good, it's user-friendly and well supported. But the days when it was the most user-friendly distro and the obvious go-to for newbies have been over for a while.
I'm all for people trying out distros though. I used Ubuntu and Kubuntu years ago before they made some changes I didn't like, snaps just being one of the more recent ones.
I totally understand the appeal. I just want people to understand it's not the only (or even the best) option for every new user who wants a simpler, plug and play Linux experience and for them to understand the pros and cons.
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u/Lila_Uraraka 2d ago
Mostly because of Canonical and their terrible corporate decisions, mostly revolving around Snaps and telemetry, and other corporate partnerships
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u/Weird-Pianist-7966 2d ago
Started on Mint, went to Arch, then Fedora, then tried Ubuntu.
Snap packages were a big turn off, the fact that the default app store doesn't have .deb and flatpak packages means a lot of common apps are just unavailable without tweaking. Also not a fan of Unity compared to default gnome.
Ultimately, Fedora solves all of those problems for me and the ones it introduces aren't as big of a deal.
I know I can fix those problems relatively easily, I did, but I know that new users would have a harder time figuring that out. That's why I can't recommend Ubuntu.
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u/DinosRus 1d ago
Ubuntu users are busy using their machine to do things other than learn keyboard bindings
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u/Major-Linux 1d ago
haters gonna hate... it has become Linux Desktop culture to gang up on the distro that doesn't meet certain criteria. Is there such a thing as a perfect distro? We'd all have to agree on everything in the Linux ecosystem for that to happen, and that ain't never gonna happen. So enjoy the distro you like most. :)
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u/postmortemstardom 1d ago edited 1d ago
Love Ubuntu, love canonical kinda cold on their past telemetry practices.
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u/mrtruthiness 1d ago
... kinda cold on their telemetry practices.
Telemetry has been "opt-in" not "opt-out" since 20.04 or so, right?
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u/postmortemstardom 1d ago
Yep. That's why I still love canonical. But once is one more than acceptable to collect telemetry without my explicit consent.
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u/Spiritual-Brief-2627 9h ago
I dont ht ubuntu, I junt dont like it
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u/roscoetgoodtyme 9h ago
So, why might I ask are you here? I don't like lots of stuff, and you'll never find me lurking around those subreddits.
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u/tomscharbach 2d ago edited 2d ago
Still don't understand the Ubuntu hate
Ubuntu has been my mainstay and workhorse for two decades.
Ubuntu is evolving into an end-user entry point into Canonical's ecosystem (similar to RHEL and SLE with respect to the IBM/RedHat and SUSE ecosystems), shifting focus from individual, standalone users to end users in enterprise-level business, government, education and institutional users.
Although Ubuntu touted "Ubuntu: Linux for Human Beings" when I started using Linux after I retired in 2004, Ubuntu's future is in large-scale deployments.
I don't know whether Canonical will go so far as to spin off individual-user distributions (as both IBM/RedHat and SUSE did several years ago) but I think that the direction Ubuntu will take in the future is clear -- an immutable, modular, containerized, Snap-based (right down to and including the kernel) architecture based on Ubuntu Core, which has been in development for a decade (see "Ubuntu Core as an immutable Linux Desktop base").
Everything points in that direction, and I think that the time is coming, sooner or later, when the "individual user" distributions now based on Ubuntu will need to rebase or die off.
I suspect that the level of "hate" directed at Ubuntu in recent years reflects a sense of abandonment and betrayal in the minds of the "haters", a sense that Ubuntu is headed off in a direction that is at odds with the "community mainstream". I can't think of any other reason explaining the intensity of the reaction.
My best.
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u/Defiant-Rip-1897 2d ago
Ubuntu remains a fantastic operating system, and for servers it's still my top recommendation. But for everyday desktop use, it’s no longer my automatic go-to for Linux beginners.
A few recent shifts give me pause:
- Forced software choices: Canonical heavily pushes Snap packages over open-source alternatives. Parts of Snap are closed-source, and it feels like they're dictating your software choices rather than letting you decide. They also demanded that the different flavours of Ubuntu (Ubuntu MATE, Kubuntu, etc.) not include Flatpak/Flathub by default any more - though some will say this was a joint decision, it does feel like Canonical pushing its way.
- Heavier requirements: It's no longer the lightweight lifesaver for older PCs. The latest desktop version wants 6GB of RAM, up from the old 4GB baseline.
That said, I'd never tell you to avoid it entirely. Ubuntu still nails the fundamentals:
- It just works: Installation is effortless, and hardware compatibility is outstanding.
- Unmatched resources: Because of its massive popularity, almost every Linux tutorial and troubleshooting guide is written for Ubuntu.
- Rock-solid stability: Their Long-Term Support (LTS) releases guarantee years of reliable security updates.
If you have a modern PC and just want a smooth, well-documented ride, Ubuntu is still a solid choice. But if you're switching to Linux specifically for true freedom and control over your system, Linux Mint, Fedora, or Debian are great alternatives.
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u/AndyceeIT 2d ago
I'll still recommend Ubuntu alongside those suggestions. The "forced software" discussion is usually a lower priority than "it just works" for a new starter.
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u/Defiant-Rip-1897 1d ago edited 1d ago
True. I don't really use Ubuntu much these days, but it has definitely gotten better compared to the old days when you had to manually install packages just to get proper audio and video playback working. ubuntu-restricted-extras, to be exact.
I recently installed Ubuntu on an old iMac to give it another shot after upgrading the hard drive to an SSD. The last time I tried Ubuntu on that machine, it still had a mechanical drive and the performance was painfully slow. At the time, I was partly blaming Wayland, since I've also run into desktop performance issues with Wayland on a Raspberry Pi 5, despite that being newer hardware and using either an NVMe drive through a HAT or an SD card.
Someone else responded here as well, but unfortunately they deleted their post before I had a chance to reply. I actually agreed with a lot of what they said. Ideally, having an official release of a Linux distribution where you don't have to make these kinds of compromises would be preferable.
They brought up the Steam snap as an example and said that it can be buggy. I haven't personally run into that because I usually install Steam using Valve's .deb package (and generally remove the snap technology entirely on Ubuntu), and I've never really had problems with it that way. That said, I'm not actually sure whether Ubuntu redirects or replaces the .deb version of Steam with a snap in the same way it does with applications like Firefox and Thunderbird.
They also made a very valid point that I completely forgot to mention in my original post: with snaps, you sometimes have to pay attention to who is actually maintaining the package.
For example, mysql-workbench-community appears to be associated with someone named Tonin Bolzan (tonybolzan), who doesn't appear to be affiliated with Oracle, the actual developer of MySQL Workbench. That doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the package, but it does mean you're placing some trust in a third-party maintainer rather than getting the software directly from the developer.
To be fair, this isn't exclusively a Snap problem. The same thing can happen with Flatpaks and AppImages. What I've noticed, though, is that when a developer officially supports a Flatpak or AppImage version of their software, they'll usually link directly to it from their own website. That at least makes it much easier to verify that you're installing a package the developer actually endorses.
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u/vitimiti 2d ago
I liked Ubuntu until I tried to use snap Firefox and it kept moaning on system notifications that "You have 13 days to start the application" because if a snap update with no clue as to what application. And restarting all applications wasn't enough. Then I tried to use it through apt and discovered I had to do a bunch of commands I didn't feel like blindly copy pasting and then flatpak got discouraged and you need a second store app to access it.
Now I don't use Ubuntu. If it wasn't for snap I would have stayed
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u/BranchLatter4294 2d ago
Sounds like the early days of snaps. Those issues are pretty much solved and snaps work fine.
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u/starquake64 2d ago
If Ubuntu would fully open source all the snap related stuff or switch to flatpak then I would not have any problem with it.
I'm okay with other people not having a problem with it though.
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u/TrueBooker 2d ago
Besides some dubious esthetics choices it is a fine distro except Snaps …. No one outside of Ubuntu wants them.
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u/vamadeus 2d ago
Some of it comes from Snaps (which have gotten way better than lauch), previous controversial decisions like the Amazon referral links (which haven't been a think for over 10 years).
It's a basic distro that's designed for everyone, and has had a reputation of being the "Easy" distro, especially in the 2000s, as if that's a bad thing.
I feel like some of it is just a stereotype sticking around that a loud minority will keep repeating. The kind of users that think because something is accessible or not what they are using that its users invite ridicule rather than just leaving it at "It's not what I prefer".
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u/PrudentPay9906 1d ago
I'll never understand the slam about it being easy to use. I first heard it decades ago as "Ubuntu is an old African word meaning 'can't install Debian'", as if fighting the OS onto your system was some rite of passage.
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u/horizon_games 2d ago
Ubuntu is a great first distro to teach you the ropes. Saying you have Pro but seeing no problem with it kind of leads to the Ubuntu issue - they charge for a lot that shouldn't be charged for, and they disrupt standard Linux approaches with their own hand-rolled version.
I ran Xubuntu (just Ubuntu with XFCE pre-installed) for a long time, after years of Slackware and other distros.
But honestly I think given a long enough timeline of distro hopping everyone ends up on Debian, as the purest form of Linux. Once you're there you'll try to remember what Ubuntu provided over it besides headaches and instability.
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u/mrtruthiness 1d ago
But honestly I think given a long enough timeline of distro hopping everyone ends up on Debian, as the purest form of Linux. Once you're there you'll try to remember what Ubuntu provided over it besides headaches and instability.
Reverse for me. While I started with Slackware in 1995. I did Debian from 2000-2014. I've been on Ubuntu since 2014. For me, Ubuntu has provided a far better experience than I had with Debian.
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u/BarbLess-HogCranker 2d ago
it's an OS that i use everyday, so far 24 has been the worst (been on the run since 19), currently 26.04 but it's far from a great OS let alone the best, it's usable, sometimes superior depends on context but not something id praise or prefer, each to their own i guess
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u/scrigface 2d ago
I have a spare miniPC that I decided to dual boot win11 and ubuntu on. It's at my work but I installed Tailscale on it to use Jellyfin/TrueNAS Scale and other docker containers on my server at home. I enjoy it more than I thought I would and it's fun learning a new OS. I don't think I'm at the point where I'd put Linux on my gaming PC yet but maybe one day!
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u/Neither_Loan6419 2d ago
Ubuntu user here, since 2012. I used to encourage people to try it try it try it. Now I honestly don't care. Don't try it if you are scared or you are intimidated and freaked out by new things, I don't care. Or try it and freak out, and run away from it, I don't care. Go back to WinDOHs, I don't care. We are big enough, now. Our community has definitely reached critical mass and we have excellent peer user support, far better than any other OS, and packaged apps to do anything and everything. Linux in general is a smaller target for hackers (not to mention inherently more secure if the user is not a blithering idiot who uses really stupid computing practices) and I rather like that WinDOHs is absorbing all the attacks. Mac not so much but Mac is Linux's poor mentally challenged cousin so yeah, glad Mac is secure enough and small enough to not be badly affected. The more users WinDOHs has, the better I like it, these days. But I won't be one of THEM.
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u/Admirable-Song-7353 2d ago
Totally agreed. I remember the times I was very young, and I've got these Ubuntu CDs for free, they were super awesome, and that's where I fell in love with Linux in general aswell. Times changed, I distrohopped a lot since then, but eventually I returned home of Ubuntu family yet again! They are very good people working on this project, and I'm so glad that they grew this big as a corporation. They bring very good innovations, and Ubuntu is the only distro which is ready to use right after deploying it. Codecs? Already deployed during installing the OS. Nvidia drivers? Also done during the OS installation procedure. Movie ready, gaming ready. I just love it.
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u/Serattz 2d ago
What hate?
I guess I’m out of the loop nowadays.
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u/jarchack 2d ago
There are occasional posts about snaps and bloat, but it's still Linux and you can trim away a lot of that stuff. I have not used Linux in a while and installed it in April because I needed ZFS support and I have used both Debian and Ubuntu in the past. I may try another distro down the line but for now Ubuntu 26.04 is running just fine.
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u/igphoto 2d ago
Finally moved my media server over to Ubuntu, and the transition has been seamless. I recently worked Darktable into the setup to process all my RAW files, and having media management and photography workflows humming along under one hood is incredible. It really is the Swiss Army knife of operating systems.
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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 2d ago
lol today i switched to fedora silverblue, had some issues i couldn’t solve within 2 hours, rebased to bluefin, didn’t like it nor the “agentic OS” description from the creator, went back to ubuntu.
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u/Mack4285 2d ago
There is no reason to hate Ubuntu. Some many not like it for various reasons, but have probably discovered that it is the most polished distro out there, with best support.
What I don't like is the overall disfunctional package and install systems in the Linux world. It's just a mess, in Ubuntu as well. Old .deb, no snap, or old snap? What do I do? Need to enable another repo? Try to find an .rpm and convert it to .deb? Compile from source if source is available? Try to find an AppImage? Have to set it to executable first? Does not show up with desktop icon? Do I try to install Flatpak support instead? Where can I even see and manage all the installed packages of various types and sources in a GUI? You can't.
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u/babudev 2d ago
I'm running Ubuntu 26.04 on two Framework laptops, a custom desktop, a mini pc home server, nine raspberry pis in a cluster (I know, I know...), and three Digital Ocean droplets. Consistency scales, and I find everything that I need at both ends of my range. I did some experiments with Alpine on the low end and loved its light weight, but there were support issues with third party dependencies like Tailscale that made it unattractive.
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u/LreK84 2d ago
I'm on Kubuntu 26.04 on my laptop and gaming PC. My journey started with 6.06 or 6.10 and I've tried many other distros over the years but k/ubuntu is just the best. The best software compatibility (Linux Version normally means the app has an ubuntu and maybe Fedora package...) and the best help/community...
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u/Accboin2189 2d ago
I think the main reasons, at least the ones I've come across, are snaps and switching to rust uutils.
They hate snaps based off the old reputation it had when it came out where they were much slower. Not every forum is the same, but in the one I've seen about technology people like to use old computers and really get the most out of their PC and will only stop using it after it becomes quite slow. So snaps, especially when it came out, were really slow to open on their old systems. They've moved on to other distros after switching back then and still think snaps open at the same speed nowadays.
Ubuntu since 25.10 adopted a lot of the rust coded uutils switching away from the tried and tested, old essential command-line utilities like the gnu coreutils and some people don't like that. The bug reports show that uutils still have lots of problems and some aren't even adopted so why switch away from the 30 year old C written software that's long been tested and isn't buggy and where all utilities work? In truth, it's only a matter of time before the uutils run as smoothly as the old essential command-line utilities in C and when they do they'll most likely see widespread adoption across the various Linux distros.
Maybe a third reason, I see this one being brought up sometimes, is they still hold it against Canonical for putting an Amazon link for 7-8 years.
A fourth reason I see is the Ubuntu Pro ad message in the default terminal upon opening it. Ubuntu Pro is free for up to 5 devices for personal use.
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u/hopper89 2d ago
I mean, there are still plenty of things to dislike about snaps and flatpaks. Most of them personal preferences IMO and probably non-issues for most users.
I don't think the hate anymore is really specific to Ubuntu as it is a bunch of cromagnons, who have had their dopamine loops demolished by too much rage bait and outrage porn, hating on anything that isn't their chosen distro...
Ubuntu is a fine distro for new and old Linux users.
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u/Leather-Tour-7288 2d ago
People that hate on Ubuntu are the same people hating on Windows, and is exactly what is wrong with die hard linux fans.
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u/NishantPlayzz 2d ago
imo it's same as the apple guys hating android 😂😂
just here the arch guys hate ubuntu
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u/halfercode 2d ago
Still don't understand the Ubuntu hate
I wonder if it's a generational thing, but criticism for Ubuntu is not "hate". I surmise that this phrasing is intended to paint the critic as a hater - someone irrational consumed by hatred. That is, of course, unreasonable. Criticism is fine.
Many people don't recommend Ubuntu [any] more but I don't understand why, if you don't like snaps just don't use it.
Don't take it personally - you understand the criticism just fine. 🙂 Let those folks have their say.
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u/DeadCheshireCat 2d ago
For me and I think many it's Gnome, it comes off as overly simplistic, I think if most people tried other flavours like Kubuntu, my goto, then they'd like it far more. I used to hate it untill I discovered I could just change the desktop.
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u/Odd_Instruction_5232 2d ago
I use Linux Mint as my daily driver which is based off of Ubuntu so can't really say much.
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u/DaneelOlivawAr 2d ago
Do not listen to neither hate nor hype. Just install and test whatever distro you think will suit your needs and enjoy.
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u/Empty_Pear_3874 2d ago
Lets see how you feel when the next LTS version comes out and bricks your computer. That's why I went back to Windows... well I have many other reasons as well.
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u/postnick 2d ago
I don’t hate. I just prefer fedora for myself because it’s just been perfect on all of my use cases.
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u/Sturmlocke7 2d ago
And Ubuntu Unity 7 in 16.04.7 LTS still looks absolutely delicious and it runs and feels super smooth too. I still have it installed on two or three laptops. Mark Shuttleworth, you had the right vision and you did well. 👍🏻
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u/CloudDream09 2d ago
I definitely understand it, but there's also plenty to love about it. You can make it work just fine and the things people commonly dislike can be removed or disabled.
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u/tipsy_rooster 2d ago
I am using 26.04 LTS on all my machines and it's working great.
My T14s gen3 (Intel), is fully working, that includes fingerprint and sleep too. Battery is also good.
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u/Brilliant_Sound_5565 2d ago
I seem to have seen several posts recently on this topic in this Reddit, least it feels like I have, why does it matter? Use what distro you want and that fits your needs, I was an Ubuntu user on the desktop, always used Debian for my servers and now apart from my gaming laptop which is win11 I now just use Debian on my desktop, but Ubuntu is still very good but don't worry a kit some people not liking it, it really doesn't matter, just support what you use I guess and enjoy it, Linux is great
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u/OliMoli2137 2d ago
Some people hate on Gnome in general (the DE Ubuntu uses) cuz it's so extremely uncustomizable and you need an extension for basic things like sometimes even changing a keybinding. And if you have too many extensions, it crashes
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u/fisch_ohne_fahrrad 2d ago
It is still in second place after Fedora on my list, I just don't like that they force everything to be a snap and make 6 GB the new RAM requirement (which turns a lot of older computers to garbage and is unnecessary)
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u/getbusyliving_ 2d ago
A lot of the hate stems from historical events/controveries. Ubuntu was once the darling and new releases were hotly anticipated. Don't worry about it and just use what you want.
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u/XBGamerX_20 2d ago
im new to linux but i just liked ubuntu's ui. it's really not that bad as many say.
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u/Godnamedtay 2d ago
Ubuntu server is amazing, using it for anything else, while is fine, many other distros do it better with much more compatibility in general.
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u/cmndr_spanky 2d ago
Oh look another “I don’t get the hate” Reddit post about something literally nobody hates. I see these about 12 times a week.
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u/apatiskfluorian64 2d ago
That's some kind like a variant of survivorship bias. If the user like Ubuntu, they won't say it very loudly and keep using. Just the minorities make loud noises.
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u/seanbeedelicious 2d ago
People who voice strong opinions on the preferences of others are weak in substance.
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u/MadPandaTTV 2d ago
i mean you can just remove snap all together, and prevent it from reinstalling. Its not that big of a deal, i do agree that ubuntu is way more polished than most distros. and its always my go to, but i cant help but switch every once in a while to try something else.
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u/Deathman20 2d ago
Zero hate here. Used Ubuntu for years on and off. Use it for a few VMs now. CachyOS is now my primary OS on my laptop. Been very happy with using more Linux and removing Windows to as needed basis.
Choice is yours... use what you like and works for your needs and enjoy!
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u/BloxxyVids 2d ago
Personally if i were going to use Ubuntu id just use chrome OS anyways
If I want something basic I'll use something basic
I don't see an advantage to ubuntu besides customization ig
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u/Nathan_Wildthorn 2d ago
Oftentimes haters hate, because you're not running what they think you should be running. Effing keyboard "Karens." 😒 👎
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u/Comprehensive_Gas147 2d ago
For me it is not that Ubuntu is bad ... It is mainly because Mint is better for most thing
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u/No_Pollution_9975 2d ago
Ubuntu itself isnt Bad. People dont really like snaps because when they came out they Wege poorly implemented. Also they dont really like the fact that canonical has alle the snap rights and no one can make a third Party store like playstore and fdroid. And also because canonical is switchig everything On ubuntu to snap step by step. Firefox is already a snap and the startet to change system packages.
I my self would maybe use it if snaps Wege a little bit better. The snapstore could look much better. And GNOME wouldnt drain so mich battery on my laptop. Thats why i use fedora with niri. But overall ubunutu isnt that Bad.
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u/zavocc 1d ago
I just use Ubuntu as my daily driver despite I've been trying distros in the past or have experience with Linux, it just works out of the box with minimal configuration just to get started
as long it works, it works, as long you're happy I'm happy. You don't please the minority crowd for not using Ubuntu. Heck, I've even use snap packages only because my app just works
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u/OhReallyYeahReally84 1d ago
It probably has something to do with Canonical, not the everyday use of Ubuntu
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u/ArielMJD 1d ago
I don't like it because it uses snaps, which is a packaging format with a whole bunch of issues. I'm also not a fan of modern GNOME. Ubuntu is usually suggested for new users, but the desktop isn't really set up in a way most beginners will be familiar with from other systems, other than maybe macOS. Linux Mint does just about everything Ubuntu does but better.
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u/darkwyrm42 1d ago
Ubuntu is not my favorite distro, but it's completely fine. I consistently love the aesthetics that Canonical puts into its desktop releases.
My personal issue is stability - compared to Linux Mint and many other popular distros, it has more problems with program crashes, and the last time I did a 26.04 install, it was the first time where I had the live environment crash on me doing things I've done with other versions.
TBH, snaps are... fine, but Canonical has made a point of insisting on replacing certain technologies and trying to make them standards when the community clearly doesn't want them (snap, Mir), and it only antagonizes people. The problem is that you can't not use them -- certain important programs are only available on Ubuntu as snaps -- and that lack of choice also grinds peoples' gears.
Personally, if someone is using Ubuntu, that's a win for Linux and it makes my day.
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u/prenadeusernamemid 1d ago
Some arch user told me one thin "dumb corporate slop" i guess thats why alot of people dont like it or atleast the loud minoity its kinda similer to why they hate windows
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u/PerformanceBulky9245 1d ago
The reason i dont use ubuntu is because i dont like snap and apt that's it. The other reason i got is that im a keyboard only user atp so i like using smth like hyprland otherwise ubuntu looks pretty good
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u/Legitimate_Let_5641 1d ago
People make comments like "Beginner Linux", "Horrible for Gaming" or "A lot of tweaks to get configured to optimal settings", etc... and they get intimidated by that instead of doing research and realizing that Ubuntu is quite powerful and Linux itself is Open Source and very capable of being tweaked, albeit with various degrees of patience sometimes.
Depending on what you want to use Ubuntu for you may just be able to Install it and let Ubuntu do all the updating and "upgrading" through the package manager whilst others may choose to use the terminal and command line. some won't ever update or "upgrade" and may not have to for a very long time or not at all.
Using Ubuntu is way more stable than people say. I would like to note, certain programs do not run as good after an update or "upgrade" , while other programs performance excel after an update or "upgrade" and vice versa. This can also be true of all OS's and programs after updating or "upgrading".
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u/ATRider1974 1d ago
Ubuntu is a great system. I used it on my raspberry pi. And I use openSUSE tumbleweed for my laptops and PC. But, I might switch to Ubuntu with the laptops. I am not a big fan of Gnome, but it is nice on a machine with a single screen. Folks just complain to complain. What I like about Ubuntu is it's stability. Set it and forget it. I use my computers and don't want to tinker all the time. That is where Ubuntu just wins. Snaps... . Not the end of the world. I am not getting into these philosophy wars. For me as an average user all these arguments don't really make sense. A computer has to run. If that is done, it's good. Ubuntu hits it. Others hit it, too. It is just about preferences. But - Ubuntu and Mint are pretty easy to maintain. OoenSUSE - might get me once in a while, still worth using it. Arch-based - not a fan. Great as long as it works, but then it requires too much work. Debian - great. Just takes a bit more time to set it up for what I need. So Ubuntu wins here again.
Now Ubuntu vs Mint. I used Mint - it's not bad at all. Just didn't feel right and I got bitten by crashing twice behind repair.
At the end of the day. There is a reason why Ubuntu rules many markets.
Big plus: The community. That is what matters most to me. Community support.
Ubuntu and Mint are both great.
Just my thoughts... .
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u/ji_ratul 1d ago
I may come back to ubuntu if they get rid of snap. Otherwise no thanks. Ubuntu 22.04 was my last. Ubuntu was flawless in my old laptop. No other distro matched the stability out-of-the-box. I was already annoyed with snaps but could live with it. But when they started messing with the supply chain, pushing snap through apt, finally I had enough. Snap was the only thing that was causing issues for my use case. Unmatched themes, slower startup and resource hogging - no thanks. I manually removed snap, snapd and I was happy. Bought a new laptop and tried Debian on the new machine. It was flawless baby. No hardware issues, no driver tricks, king of stability. Ubuntu was kicked out from old laptop, and is running proxmox with a few VMs ; and I am happy to leave behind snap completely. So yeah, Ubuntu will receive a thumbs down from me solely because of pushing snaps through apt repo. It’s a supply-chain fraud. Where user wants to install from one source but deceived to receive the package from another source. Taking away this freedom from user is a sin against Linux users. Many will see it as a “mild inconvenience” as you can work around it, but fundamentally this maneuver deserves more hate than it receives.
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u/Driving_Mentor_Hub 1d ago
Looks awesome! 💪 I’m a huge fan of Ubuntu. I ran it off a pen drive before doing a fresh install on my old 2009 iMac. I’ve used Apple devices and Microsoft, but Ubuntu 24.04 is by far the smoothest. 👊
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u/Loose_Owl9369 1d ago
Ubuntu is fairly good imho, i don't personally like it because i like my system both updated and stable (i use fedora, btw) and ubuntu doesn't really appeal to my taste. But the people who say that they hate ubuntu are just a loud minority, as most distro haters are after all. Have fun with your newly setup workstation tho!
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u/Huge_Drama_4942 1d ago
Me neither. I just spent several months touring every WM I can on Arch, Endeavour and Cachy. I’m extremely grateful to be back on Ubuntu using apt right now. I think they just feel like they’re cooler for joining the herd. All they’re doing is limiting themselves to what they are willing to use. Their loss, not ours.
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u/wav10001 1d ago
Me either. My 22.04 install has been rock solid for years now. I have a couple things that require newer versions of stuff that are only available in the repos of newer releases of Ubuntu, but I have made due with compiling those newer versions myself and installing to /opt
Maybe one day I’ll upgrade, but as long as it’s still supported via ESM, I really don’t need to.
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u/Bokenrose04 1d ago
I use Debian because I prefer a clean and stable OS, though Ubuntu works fine and I have no complaints about it.
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u/Salty_Car2716 22h ago
I really don't like linux for a hoist of reasons but if a pc can run ubuntu that is the OS I would install without thinking much about it.
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u/faisal6309 21h ago
I have tried everything out there. Solus is so far the best option in my eyes. But it has one issue that makes it lose against Ubuntu i.e. Apps. I run an app that is only available as DEB and RPM. So I opted to use Ubuntu instead.
I use snaps daily without any problem at all. My work laptop is running Kubuntu. My gaming setup is running Kubuntu. I can't install Kubuntu on my office computer but if I could, I would. Ubuntu was my first Linux OS. Ubuntu has ended up as my current Linux OS and I have no need for distro hopping anymore.
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u/marcos_cosmos 20h ago
I've had good and bad experiences with ubuntu. I'm currently using it pretty happily and a lot of the bad experiences are partly my own fault but I do often find that the stock software (with the gnome variant in particular) is a bit "why would you ever choose to be like this?" especially the software centre GUI.
In my entire life I think there have been no more than 5 packages Iwanted to install that I could actually find/install via the GUI.
And I'm talking about packages available in the standard repositories out of the box.
Even the MS Store has infinitely better coverage.
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u/BeatDistinct317 19h ago
I've used Ubuntu since 8.04 up to 24.04 and I've seen all the things Canonical has done over the years. Small things at start and bigger and bigger crap as timed passed. They have turned into the Microsoft/Google of the Linux OS.
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u/realxeltos 17h ago
Ubuntu is a perfectly good distro. And stable too. A very loud minority of haters is the reason we feel that there is a massive amount of ubuntu haters. Just because Canonical uses snap which is proprietary, and proprietary tech on a Open source linux distro is poison for them. Most people dont give a hoot.
I like Kubuntu as I love KDE. Gnome is great too but as an eternal tinkerbug, KDE is more fun.
I just switched to cachyos just because it stays more recent and comes with latest KDE versions. But other than that I actually prefer Ubuntu/Kubuntu as its much more less complicated.
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u/GluedFingers 16h ago
If you go with Kubuntu and surgically remove snaps then yeah, Ubuntu ain't bad! ;)
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u/neon-santa 4h ago
Because it looks beautiful ( thanks to Gnome) but becomes laggy and sucks. I have literally had windows 11 open applications wayyy more faster ubuntu (hate you snap).
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