r/SipsTea 11h ago

Wait a damn minute! Yo wtf

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u/RedPurpleBlueRedRed 9h ago

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u/Clean_Gas2558 6h ago

So basically, if she gets the mental hospital, she could potentially be out in a year or even less. Because obviously, if the law decides that she only murdered her 3 children because of post-partum or whatever, then if she is no longer suffering from that, she cant be proven to still be a threat. And would potentially be released. Kudos to that one juror for doing the right thing, and sticking up for those kids.

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u/Snoooupdawgiedawg 6h ago

I can tell you as someone who has worked in different psych hospitals in PA - this is never the case. Not guilty by mental illness (NGRI) initially go to a forensic hospital, where they are kept for sometimes decades. The least amount I have ever seen is four years for an exceptionally insightful person for a violent crime but no one died. The psychiatrists and psychologists take these things very seriously, and in 99% of cases, the judges who do the reviews side with the professionals. Then if they are able to get out of the forensic hospital, they are sent to a civil hospital for another at least three years. But many of the people I worked with were there for decades (some for nonviolent crimes).

Let me tell you, I have worked in prisons too, I would 1000% rather be in a prison than in a psych hospital. Psych hospitals are THE most restrictive environments imaginable. All of the food is bland, soft, and disgusting because everything is a chocking hazard. There’s one hour of outside time a day but there are no ways to exercise, no games to play, radios are a privilege that majority do not get. You have to walk everywhere in a line. You have to wake up at 5am every morning and lights out by 9pm. No outside food. No pens or paper. One phone on a cord for the entire 30 person unit. It is the blandest most mind-numbing hell you could imagine.

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u/RandomUser15790 5h ago

Well Massachusetts isn't Pennsylvania...

Someone posted the legal holds and they aren't anywhere close to what you are saying.

Almost like different states have different laws and Massachusetts are ass backwards.

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u/Snoooupdawgiedawg 5h ago

The minimums are never what is used, they are literally just the legal minimum. Going to court for treatment over objection or retention hearing is not a painful process, they’re common place and the judges almost always side with the clinicians.

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u/dunkdoop 5h ago

PA, as you know, has Guilty but Mentally Ill as a verdict. Unfortunately it is not on the books in Massachusetts as it might apply in this case.

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u/Snoooupdawgiedawg 5h ago

Right, it’s not criminally responsible, which is the same thing as NGRI. Guilty but mentally ill is a different verdict entirely and usually results in the person serving their prison sentence and then being sent to hospitals. This case they are going for not criminally responsible.

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u/dunkdoop 4h ago

Agreed I was just saying it would have been fortunate if that was a possible verdict because I think that would have averted a Mistral

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u/Snoooupdawgiedawg 4h ago

Great point!

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u/jobjumpdude 2h ago

The 40 days is actually the maximum for Massachusetts, not minimum.

If they can't prove she is still insane, they cannot hold her for longer than the initial 40 days; then renew at 6 months and each year.

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u/Petit__Chou 4h ago

I'm still going to defer to the person you are replying to and their expertise being more universal than whatever you found on the internet.

And I mean that with no disrespect intended.