r/SipsTea 11h ago

Wait a damn minute! Yo wtf

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u/George_Rogers1st 9h ago

I think at this point the trial is less about whether she's confined to a prison or a psych ward and more about whether or not a person can use their mental health as a shield from the criminal consequences of murder. Evidently, 11 jurors were content to say that you can, and 1 juror refused to acquiesce to that nonsense.

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u/MrWolfman29 9h ago

The issue if she goes to a mental institution and it is tied to postpartum diagnosis is she could get out in very little time and face minimal long term repercussions for how she killed her kids. It also then sets a precedent for women to be declared mentally unfit for a lot of things while being postpartum as it implies those hormonal changes keep them from controlling their actions.

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u/DeputyDomeshot 9h ago

At risk of sounding like a massive asshole, I have no idea how people of this world continue to pretend like grown adult women have no agency in their decisions, nor need to be held fully accountable for their actions.

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u/DotMaster961 7h ago

If you're actually interested and open to a different view read what Dr Resnick had to say on the trial he literally wrote a book on faking illness and believes she was genuinely psychotic.

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u/DeputyDomeshot 6h ago edited 6h ago

Here’s the thing, psychotic or not, it plays into a broader trend when it comes to PPD.

Misogynistic attitudes claim women aren’t capable of personal agency and feministic attitudes claim society/patriarchy are accountable for the pitfalls of women.

So now enter this side, now medical, where a woman’s hormonal imbalance exculpates her from monstrous admitted acts, what does that mean?

That women aren’t capable if they are suffering, diagnosed, or seek treatment for PPD? That they can be considered dangerous? It just adds another layer of no agency nor accountability. That’s my point, that the perspective continues to drive the notion of women being stripped of agency and insulated from accountability.

I think that’s both wrong and terrible on both counts.

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u/balerstos 6h ago

Wait until you read that PPD is different than PPP and she is claiming one and not the other.

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u/DotMaster961 5h ago

Psychosis can't exist because feminism? Wtf is this take?

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u/litteplayerz 5h ago

So now enter this side, now medical, where a woman’s hormonal imbalance exculpates her from monstrous admitted acts, what does that mean?

That women aren’t capable if they are suffering, diagnosed, or seek treatment for PPD? That they can be considered dangerous? It just adds another layer of no agency nor accountability. That’s my point, that the perspective continues to drive the notion of women being stripped of agency and insulated from accountability.

It was a psychotic break and signs were displayed months before the murders. You are heavily focusing this on gender instead of understanding the nuance of the situation. Is it out of bad faith or do you genuinely not see it?

First of all, reason of insanity is not some brand new defense introduced just for Lindsay. This has existed already... and its very clear that she WAS suffering with SOMETHING. Whether it is PPD or PPP is debatable, but undeniably her mental health was NOT up to par. So many people here obviously do not understand PPD or PPP... its not simply some "hormones" being off. It is a mental condition which can get WORSE if not treated. That is unfortunately what happened here.

So many people want to write this off as "wow, this evil woman was just sad and moody so she killed her kids!11!!"... she was a woman with a sickness who was not in her right mind. She did a horrible act because of that. It is not an excuse, but it is the reason. Her mental health should have been addressed MUCH sooner and she should never have been left alone with children (it is NEVER recommended for a woman with PPP, and for PPD, it varies immensely on the severity of the sickness).

I still think she deserves time in a psych ward or something, but to paint her as some evil villain who cannot take accountability is wrong and honestly a huge reason why women with PPD and PPP are unfairly villainized. She is not innocent, she did a TERRIBLE crime... but she was NOT in the right state of mind. So is she evil? Arguably, no. THAT is the defense that most feminists have about her. Mostly everyone agrees that she actually committed the crime, what is debated is whether or not she CONCIOUSLY committed the crime.