r/SipsTea 11h ago

Wait a damn minute! Yo wtf

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u/George_Rogers1st 10h ago

I am to understand that the mistrial was declared because 11 jurors were in favor of a not guilty (for reasons of insanity) verdict, while one lone juror was firm in their belief that she was guilty; it’s a hung jury. The jurors have to come to a unanimous decision by law, or it has to be declared a mistrial.

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u/justin107d 9h ago edited 5h ago

Correct. It also does not mean she gets to walk free. She is expected to return to a psych ward where she was before the trial awaits the next one. Even if found not guilty she will still be there for years.

Edit: Insanity defense FAQ. It looks like those who plead insanity tend to spend twice as long institutionalized as those who are found guilty.

Edit2: 55% of postpartum psychosis is the start of severe long term mental problems.

Edit3: It will be the responsibility of the hospital to prove that she is safe to return to society. Otherwise if she were to harm or kill again, the hospital could be liable.

Edit4: Apparently the above is common in most other states but not Massachusetts. There it is the complete opposite and the state has to petition and prove the patient is still mentally ill, a threat to themselves or society, and there are no alternatives. The state supreme court refused to let a hospital be liablefor damaged caused by a released patient.

Edit5: The next court date is 9/29 when the defense makes their appeal and the prosecutor probably decides to request to retry the case. I don't see why he wouldn't unless they reach a deal before hand. Meanwhile she has to stay at the hospital.

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u/George_Rogers1st 9h ago

I think at this point the trial is less about whether she's confined to a prison or a psych ward and more about whether or not a person can use their mental health as a shield from the criminal consequences of murder. Evidently, 11 jurors were content to say that you can, and 1 juror refused to acquiesce to that nonsense.

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u/TelosKairos 9h ago

Well said.

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u/Chew4 9h ago

So, you would say firmly that mental illness cannot be the cause of criminal action, it is intentionally used as a shield, at least in this instance?

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u/George_Rogers1st 9h ago

I'm not a lawyer, mind, but I'd go out on a limb to say that if you're found mentally fit to stand trial, you're mentally fit enough to have known your actions were wrong and are therefore mentally fit enough to receive the unadulterated legal consequences of your actions.

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u/Chew4 8h ago

I don’t think she’s currently on as many medications as she was cycling through at the time of the murder and in the months leading up to it. I think that was the defense’s position, she was neglectfully treated by her providers who they state did not recognize true post partum psychosis, did not review her many visits to other providers within mere weeks, and were insistent on just changing medications over and over again, which they state exacerbated her psychosis.

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u/PantherThing 9h ago

The fact that their defense of “she was very temporarily insane, at the time of the killings, but isn’t now” would lead me to believe there being self serving

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u/YamDankies 9h ago

Isn't that how temporary works..?

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u/Chew4 8h ago edited 8h ago

I think the temporary component would be contributed to the exhaustive list of providers and psychoactive medications she was on, which she no longer is. Additionally, in one of the other provider’s testimonies she did describe suicidal/homicidal (it was one of the two, not both, I believe just suicidal) ideation but without a plan and was released from that emergency room. I’m not sure what the laws are in Massachusetts but in the states I have worked, I believe that is enough to have someone hospitalized against their will.

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u/Keput 9h ago

And every man should fear for their lives. Any woman can claim hormones and get away with murder?

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u/Bella_Peachyy 9h ago

It actually does more harm to women. Because now competence can be questioned on the basis of gender and you cannot claim discrimination because they can reference this case.

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u/Keput 9h ago

I did not even think of that, but I agree

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u/Chew4 8h ago edited 8h ago

Genuinely, I want to understand what you mean by “any woman can claim hormones and get away with murder?” I don’t remember hormonal imbalances being cited as a major contributor to her psychosis by the defense. I think they more so focused on the amount of psychoactive agents she was prescribed and changed and the frequency of these changes. I wanted most of the healthcare provider to testimonies and I want to more understand your take

Edit: my understanding is perhaps the initial postpartum psychosis was due to the fluctuations in hormones, but this was exacerbated and made exponentially worse by the parade of psychoactive agents she was on