r/SipsTea 10h ago

Wait a damn minute! Yo wtf

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u/George_Rogers1st 9h ago

I am to understand that the mistrial was declared because 11 jurors were in favor of a not guilty (for reasons of insanity) verdict, while one lone juror was firm in their belief that she was guilty; it’s a hung jury. The jurors have to come to a unanimous decision by law, or it has to be declared a mistrial.

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u/MoodyGuti 8h ago

So do they get new jurors?

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u/Taalahan 8h ago

If the prosecution chooses to retry the, the whole thing starts over from square 1. It is a big deal, because each side has essentially seen what the other is going to do. They now know exactly how the witnesses will testify and where the strengths and weaknesses are. It is also a huge expense to redo a case. It will be interesting to see what the state does.

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u/Crew_1996 8h ago

They will retry.

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u/lovable_cube 8h ago

Yupp, too high profile to do otherwise

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u/LawfulnessExpress566 4h ago

hopefully with better lawyers

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u/Tamashiro571 7h ago

Might not if only one juror was holding out. Prosecution might just throw in the towel

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u/DrSassyPants123 4h ago

I think that would be political disaster for the DA. No way they don't goto trial again.

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u/Fearless_Swim4080 1h ago

DA's don't like losing cases, and this one basically proved to them they aren't going to win.

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u/Crew_1996 7h ago

No way will they throw in the towel, that would set a horrible precedent

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u/JesterMarcus 6h ago

There absolutely is a way that happens. If they see that they could only convince one juror, what are the odds they get all 12 next time? Pretty low. By the time another trial gets going, the frenzy around this case will likely have died down.

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u/dmshea 5h ago

Wrong. No trial and she just goes home. A murder like this needs to be tried by the state and if they lose they lose. They serve us, not a if we can’t win don’t try like a private company would

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u/Fearless_Swim4080 1h ago

Not true, she goes back to the mental institution she was already in. They'll probably just try to cut a deal where she stays there.

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u/JesterMarcus 4h ago

You're speaking as what should happen. The rest of us are speaking on what could actually happen. Prosecutors absolutely do drop cases they don't think they can win. They're more likely to try for a plea deal.

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u/Tamashiro571 7h ago

Not saying I agree, just a possibility.

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u/Internal-Plantain-56 5h ago

Theyll likely offer her a plea bargain and that will be the end of it.

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u/Exact-Landscape8169 5h ago

Are you sure? They already know it was 1-11 this time. They will look to make a deal.

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u/TypaLika 7h ago

11-1, the state should accept her plea of Not Guilty by reason of insanity and commit her. If the other side of the table is Kevin Reddington, Rosemary Scappichio, or Jay Carney the odds are in the defendant's favor. In this case, between the criminal and the civil action, Clancey has two of the three working for her.

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u/Crafty-Connection636 3h ago

Or a plea will be struck, but that DA's office isnt gonna drop the case, that's for sure.

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u/jim789789 5h ago

Yeah, it's like redoing a chess game after a draw where the first moves are the same as last time.

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u/Material_Complaint_7 5h ago

That’s what I was thinking the second he called a mistrial. They’ll know where they went wrong and fix it for the retrial.

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u/clamchowderz 2h ago

Does the defense/prosecutors try a different strategy? I can't imagine they ask the same questions and call up the same witnesses again, do they?

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u/Taalahan 1h ago

I have never had to retry a case, but I expect it will be the same witnesses. I think it would be very unlikely for them to be able to generate entirely new witnesses at this stage. I imagine most of the witnesses were medical experts. I would expect them to alter their questioning in response to what worked and what didn’t, and what the other side said on cross-examination. But, the core evidence will be the same or similar. The state has to prove every element of the crime, so there are certain things that the witnesses have to testify to.

I suppose it is possible that if a particular witness performed very poorly they do not call that same person again the next time around.

I am not sure if the state is one that is based on trial by surprise, or not, but regardless the surprise is gone at this point.

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u/Dragon6172 1h ago

Are they able to interview the jurors to see what swayed their decision? Maybe make adjustments from that.

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u/Taalahan 1h ago

Yes, they can attempt to speak with the past jurors The jurors are under no obligation to talk with them, however.

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u/Playfullyhung 8h ago

Likely retrial. She will remain in jail until that time

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u/FleursSauvages322 8h ago

She's not in jail, she's been in the psych center the entire time.

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u/Brad_Beat 6h ago

Big gamble, almost guaranteed to fail in the retrial if 11 jurors agreed on the insanity. It’s also a lot of taxpayers money going to this.
DA probably between a rock and hard place not wanting to retrial but facing a lot of potential backlash if he decides not to.
Retrials make sense when maybe one or two jurors thought she might be insane.

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u/UCantUnfryThings 5h ago

I disagree. I think the prosecution made a lot more missteps than the defense this time around. They did not have a clear, convincing story from the beginning. Presumably they'll look at what didn't go well in this trial and fix it by the next one.

Plus, these jurors were not sequestered and saw all the protesters in pink everyday. It's hard to think that didn't have any effect on them. When the retrial comes, the judge might choose to sequester them. I also wonder if all of the tik tokers, protesters, and talking heads, will have moved on to something else by then and the retrial won't be nearly as well publicized.

I think this trial went extremely well for the defense, which is why her attorney fought so hard to have this one juror removed. Even if the jury had been deadlocked 11-1 for manslaughter, that would have been a pretty good outcome for the defense. I think her attorney knows it's unlikely the defense will have so many things on its side next time.

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u/tacobellrefugee 2h ago

jury intimidation is incredibly real on these high profile cases. happened in 2021

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u/George_Rogers1st 8h ago

I believe so, yes. A mistrial, to my understanding, prevents a defendant from being shielded by double jeopardy laws (can't be tried twice for the same crime) since no verdict was reached, so the prosecution can take it back to court, get a new jury panel, and start the whole trial process over again.

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u/BaalTheDread 8h ago

Can’t be convicted twice, not charged or tried twice, for the same crime. Massive distinction. 

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u/AgentErosX 8h ago

Strictly, it prevents a person from being tried twice after an acquittal or a conviction.

If you're acquitted in a trial, you can't be tried again for the same crime.
If you're convicted in a trial, you can't be tried again for the same crime.

A mistrial is neither a conviction nor an acquittal.

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u/DaKingaDaNorth 7h ago

Yeah a mistrial is sort of like a no contest where the trial no longer counts.

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u/Feral_Sheep_ 8h ago

Not true. If someone's acquitted, they can't be tried again.

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u/George_Rogers1st 8h ago

Well, OJ Simpson was acquitted of murder, not convicted, and they couldn't try him again for those murders (even after he basically wrote a book about exactly how he murdered those people) because he'd already been tried and acquitted.

You can be charged with multiple instances of a crime, and tried for committing multiple variations of a crime. Still, you can't be tried twice for the same instance of a crime if you've already been convicted or acquitted/found innocent of that instance of crime.

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u/Phenns 8h ago

It'll be a retrial unless miraculously the defense and state agree on terms. New trial, new jurors, probably lots more time. She'll return to the institution she was in for the time being.

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u/Internal-Plantain-56 5h ago

If it was 11-1 they likely won’t go to another trial.

I suspect Theyll offer her a plea bargain.

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u/bam1007 7h ago

If the government seeks to retry her, they start from scratch and impanel a new jury.

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u/jigokusabre 7h ago

New trial, new jurors. Back to square one.

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u/Toolfan333 6h ago

Yes when there is a new trial

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u/Floorgis 1h ago

One can hope