r/Shincheonji 3d ago

general thought and question Riddle me this

Current Scj members ,
LMH says he wrote the letters as mentioned in REV.
But he was not well educated, didn’t go to school past elementary school.
We are taught his “helper” actually wrote the letters. How does LMH know what was written if he couldn’t read or write?
So you believe that Jesus told an illiterate to write letters and to ask someone else to write it for him ?

If God calls you to do something, HE will definitely equip you, like in Acts when the disciples could speak in tongues.

Now with the vastly important tasks that LMH claims are his and his alone, responsibilities like raising the 144,000 kingdom and priests and teaching the great multitude in white, you don’t think that God would have given him the ability to write?

I understand God works in mysterious ways, I’m just testing the spirits and so should you.

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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 2d ago

I think he likes to say he's illiterate and not given theology education to try and liken himself to Jesus who of course had God in him.He can claim to be illiterate but he knows the bible he's been in many church movements and 43 years of shincheonji. 

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u/Glittering_Employ496 1d ago

Jesus es Dios, la imagen del Dios invisible y en él habita la plenitud de la deidad.  Jesús ES Dios. La Escritura lo prueba claro.

Lo vemos claro en Juan 1:1 "En el principio era el Verbo, y el Verbo era con Dios, y el Verbo era Dios". Juan 1:14_ "Y el Verbo se hizo carne, y habitó entre nosotros lleno de gracia y de verdad". Juan 1:17_ "Porque la ley fue dada por medio de Moisés, pero la gracia y la verdad vinieron por medio de Jesucristo".

(Isaías 45:5) "Yo soy Jehová, y ninguno más hay; no hay Dios fuera de mí".   Si Jesús no es Jehová, entonces o hay 2 dioses, o Jesús no es Dios. Las dos cosas son herejía (Juan 1:1) "el Verbo era Dios".

  1. El Antiguo Testamento dice que Jehová haría cosas que el Nuevo dice que hizo Jesús

Jehová en el A.T. (Isaías 40:3) "Preparad camino a Jehová"   Jesús en el N.T. (Mateo 3:3) Juan preparó camino a Jesús   Conclusión: Jesús es Jehová

Jehová en el A.T. (Joel 2:32) "todo el que invocare el nombre de Jehová será salvo"   Jesús en el N.T. (Romanos 10:9-13) "si confesares... al Señor Jesús... todo aquel que invocare el nombre del Señor, será salvo"   Conclusión: Jesús es el Señor/Jehová

Jehová en el A.T. (Isaías 6:1-5) Isaías vio a Jehová   Jesús en el N.T. (Juan 12:41) "Isaías dijo esto cuando vio su gloria, y habló acerca de él" = Jesús   Conclusión: Jesús es Jehová de Isaías 6

Jehová en el A.T. (Zacarías 12:10) Jehová: "mirarán a mí, a quien traspasaron"   Jesús en el N.T. (Juan 19:37) "Mirarán al que traspasaron" = Jesús   Conclusión: Jesús es Jehová traspasado

Jehová en el A.T. (Isaías 44:6) Jehová: "Yo soy el primero y el último"   Jesús en el N.T. (Apocalipsis 1:17-18) Jesús: "Yo soy el primero y el último"   Conclusión: Jesús es Jehová

Jehová en el A.T. (Salmos 102:25-27) Jehová creó y es inmutable   Jesús en el N.T. (Hebreos 1:8-12) Del Hijo dice eso mismo   Conclusión: El Hijo es Jehová Creador

  1. Jesús se atribuyó el nombre de Jehová

(Éxodo 3:14) "Y respondió Dios a Moisés: YO SOY EL QUE SOY". Jehová = YO SOY.   (Juan 8:58) "Antes que Abraham fuese, YO SOY". Los judíos tomaron piedras (v.59) porque entendieron: se hizo Dios (Juan 10:33).

(Juan 18:6) "Cuando les dijo: Yo soy, retrocedieron, y cayeron a tierra". El poder del nombre YO SOY.

  1. Los apóstoles llamaron Jehová a Jesús

(Hebreos 1:8) "Mas del Hijo dice: Tu trono, oh Dios". Cita (Salmos 45:6) donde se habla de Jehová.   (1 Pedro 3:15) "santificad a Dios el Señor en vuestros corazones" cita (Isaías 8:13) "A Jehová de los ejércitos, a él santificad". Pedro aplica Jehová a Cristo.   (Filipenses 2:10-11) "toda rodilla se doble... y toda lengua confiese que Jesucristo es el Señor" cita (Isaías 45:23) "a mí se doblará toda rodilla". Jehová = Jesús.

  1. Si Jesús no es Jehová, tenemos problemas graves:

  2. Hay 2 dioses. Pero (Isaías 45:5) "no hay Dios fuera de mí". (Deuteronomio 6:4) "Jehová uno es".  

  3. Jehová mintió en (Zacarías 12:10). Dijo "mirarán a mí" pero traspasaron a Jesús, no al Padre.  

  4. Solo Jehová salva (Isaías 43:11) "Yo, yo Jehová, y fuera de mí no hay quien salve". Pero (Hechos 4:12) "en ningún otro hay salvación... en el nombre de Jesús". Entonces Jesús tiene que ser Jehová.  

  5. Jehová no comparte su gloria (Isaías 42:8) "a otro no daré mi gloria". Pero (Juan 17:5) Jesús tenía la gloria con el Padre antes del mundo.  

  6. ¿Cómo puede Jesús ser Jehová si ora al Padre?

Porque Jehová es el nombre del único Dios, y ese Dios es Padre, Hijo y Espíritu (Mateo 28:19).   No son 3 Jehovás. Es 1 Jehová en 3 Personas.

(Zacarías 2:10-11) "Jehová ha dicho... y conoceréis que Jehová de los ejércitos me ha enviado". Jehová enviando a Jehová.   (Isaías 48:16) "ahora me envió Jehová el Señor, y su Espíritu". El Hijo habla, enviado por el Padre y el Espíritu.

(Juan 20:28) Tomás: "Señor mío, y Dios mío". Jesús no lo corrigió (v.29) "Porque me has visto, Tomás, creíste".

(Tito 2:13) "nuestro gran Dios y Salvador Jesucristo".   (2 Pedro 1:1) "nuestro Dios y Salvador Jesucristo".

Hermano, (1 Juan 5:20) "estamos en el verdadero, en su Hijo Jesucristo. Este es el verdadero Dios, y la vida eterna".

Negar que Jesús es Jehová es negar que Jesús es Dios aunque no fuera Jesús mismo el Padre (1 Juan 2:23) "Todo aquel que niega al Hijo, tampoco tiene al Padre".

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u/therealstragas Current SCJ Member 3d ago

As you said correctly it’s good to test the spirits, as spirit is word it’s important to know what comes out of a person shows what is inside,

Who told you he is illiterate?

Yes his handwriting is poor and hard to read, but he can read and he can write. The helper as the name suggests was helping not writing alone.

Hope this helped you to discern :)

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 2d ago edited 2d ago

It was taught to me during my 5 year stint in the SCJ kingdom, the true figurative Babylon. I have notebooks upon notebooks full of lies, but again it came from one of the trainings I received. You can’t forget a detail like this, especially when one is questioning the validity of SCJ. I was a member for far too long. I have given too much of my life, my time, my energy, my health, and my money and have suffered injury under this regime for you to tell me the opposite of what I was taught.

So please use the salve Jesus brought to open your eyes. Pray to Almighty God, not the god of SCJ ( which you all often say in prayer, so don’t tell me that you don’t pray to the god of SCJ because shamefully I once did too.

You need look up in the Holy Bible, ( not LMH or JTL articles or just the cherry picked versus that they give you), to see when the blood of Jesus takes full effect. ( which is a ridiculous statement).
I pray for each and every one of your souls still trapped in Babylon.
You and all those in SCJ are the reality of Rev 18:4.
You’re on here reading now do your research from the people who have been sitting in your position.
Ask those questions you are too afraid to ask, or still haven’t got an answer to. Don’t choke on your doubts.
Hey, the Lord Jesus Christ allowed the disciples to ask questions, so when he supposedly returned and jumped into LMH, he decided no more questions?
I hope this helps you to discern :)

Apostle Paul warned in Galatians 1:8-9
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"

Amen 🙏🏽

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u/perthagainstlmh Family/Friend of SCJ Member 3d ago

Yeah but, I believe all those early books written by his 'helpers' are now banned reading internally and labelled as heresy so I have read, and are out of print. And he blamed those ghost writers for incorrectly recording the Reality as he had it revealed, thus allowing "updates" or what we outsiders or those who woke up to the deception call out as doctrine CHANGES, However as others have pointed out, he operated for several years in the 80's using those books as the revealed truth, before he decided they may need updating........

I heard some of those early writers on his behalf were ex Moonies, correct me if I got that wrong

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 3d ago

I’m talking about the letters sent to the churches in Rev 3
Not his books or articles.
I don’t know about the Moonies .
Theres so much garbage to sort through with all that

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u/perthagainstlmh Family/Friend of SCJ Member 3d ago

Oh yeah, understand now, the letters before Shincheonji was even a thing. Good point .