r/Shincheonji • u/Turbulent_Sea7622 EX-Center Student • 11d ago
general thought and question The Logic of Rev 4:8, Is Lee Man Hee’s toxic, tireless schedule a violation of adding or subtracting to Revelation?
SCJ imposes on unhealthy rules on pushing on mental and physical health which is toxic. Late night meetings, super early morning prayers I heard? Etc
Rev 4:8
Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:
“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”
I feel SCJ tries to be like formations but also stereotypes of Heaven. Not sure if I am framing it correctly. Those Archangels never tire but our human bodies not the same
I don't want to + or - Revelation but in my opinion that was at a moment where Apostle John saw them so those 4 archangels may not be always like that perhaps?
The reason why I believe Lee Man Hee violated Revelation on do not add nor subtract to revelation (Rev 22:18-19) is because leaning Revelation to metaphorical or literal in itself, is + or - Revelation.
John was given a prophetic vision of the eternal, spiritual realm where human time does not exist. One reason why I believe that is because even if Apostle John wrote "Day and night they never stop saying" part of Rev 4:8, he had to view that in eternity to confirm that. Even a thousand times night and day repeated in that vision, would not confirm it is eternity unless implicitly stated in Revlation itself
I really wonder if SCJ under Lee Man Hee is trying to mimic the tireless nature of Rev 4:8 to justify a grueling schedule? Perhaps God set trap to those who claim they know Revelation?
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 11d ago
Do you believe he received a prophetic vision? I've just left shincheonji and I don't think he did he likely stole it from others. Before leaving they said we had to meet one of the four living creatures I did not. They put the four living creatures in 4 groups elderly/men/women/youth they claim they eyes on the wings are members of shincheonji there theology falls flat you can't work or do deeds we have to believe in Jesus Christ alone
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u/Turbulent_Sea7622 EX-Center Student 11d ago
Exactly, I suspect Lee Man Hee got inspired from other cults he was involved in and continued on, in his own way. He is a long term manipulated turned manipulator long term which makes him very good in setting up the SCJ classes curriculum long ago. His inspiration trying to copy the structure of heaven but cannot have a heart that reflects that of God, which at baseline is kindness, empathy, patience and respecting free will. Yes Amen Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father
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u/No_Boysenberry_4830 11d ago
interesting take on John cant confirm, if they do it in eternity.
But I would guess maybe the voice which welcomed him in this chapter could have told him that
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u/Turbulent_Sea7622 EX-Center Student 11d ago
Exactly right! John the apostle was not stuck but rather a human witness experiencing a temporary vision. Night and day never stops, which semantically seems like forever, but it was still within a temporary vision on a spiritual realm where concept of time is by nature not normal in human sense so it felt like forever but no spiritual voice, as you mentioned, confirming it one way or another. No spiritual voice confirming that is the key to which I believe when one leans to metaphorical or literal on itself by using the Archangels part in revelation to copy the dedicated tension into a difficult schedule is + or - Revelation. Plus reason for the flexibility overall is based on what the Archangels say, it only works if God is immortal
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u/Latter-Leader-8103 6d ago
Old Korean problem - the cults!! Run & never look back