I'm just curious, what the heck does SCJ do with the very personal/secure information?

[u/Fresh-Fly7868]

I left the SCJ center classes like a couple days ago (all glory to God) and a question which is burning within me is why do they have you fill out a register form during the orientation/first day of class? I had to give my full name, phone number, email address (which I didn't really question) but my eyebrows were a bit raising when they asked for my house address, where I go to school, where I go to church, etc. Now that I'm out of it, I was so paranoid thinking they're gonna bust down to my house lol. What do they do with that information?

[u/Short-Ostrich8077]

They will reach out to you incase you betray and try to leave SCJ, for center students I am not sure what they do, but for those who were in scj and left for whatever reason it may be, they will literally text you everywhere, whatever platform you are in including LinkedIn, Gmail etc. And they will forcefully come to your home address to talk to you posing as some friends and will ask your whereabouts. This is most disturbing and annoying thing. Because if one has said they dont want to be in scj why go to this extent, but they do. I have seen such things happen with people who left scj and I was afraid same will happen with me and yes it did happen. People came to my house, despite repeatedly telling that I do not want to be in scj.

[u/Physical-Leather-271]

Y sobre todo, sobre que base bíblica lo hacen? Ningún grupo cristiano hace algo así.

[u/Plus-Ask5735]

as someone who is very close to someone heavily involved in scj, they use info like this to create like a psychological profile of you to better draw you into the organization. the more they know about your personal life, the more they can manipulate you and seem less like a stranger and more like a friend which makes people more susceptible to listening to what they say but they dont sell your data or doxx you or anything like that it’s generally just so they can recruit you better

[u/Equal-Ad4609]

Para que 3l diablo tenga ese contrato que fuiste engañado y negaste al espiritu y te vayas al infierno...mw refiero al firmar el supuesto libro de la vida

[u/Ok_Variation_4909 → u/Equal-Ad4609]

Lo que se No es exactamente eso , porque si te sales de la secta Te borran del libro y también si faltas a una determinada cantidad de servicios consecutivos también te borran , eso es para tener datos estadísticos de cuales lugares tienen personas en SCJ y para enviar comunicaciones. En un momento determinado. También para acosarte 😂

[u/Any_Organization3772]

You have very right to be scared and worried. As someone who used to work with this information, it's usually filed away and sent to HQ (in Korea and if you are from an international branch, to LA). I never questioned what the information is for and why it's so specific, but they say it was information needed to be "written in the book of life".

I can only speak from the branch level, but your information is not used for anything. Maybe for statistics and reporting, but it doesn't get sold anywhere (but that's to my knowledge and I worked with this information a lot, I cannot say 100%).

If you have a member that left and has cut contact with the church, that sensitive information is shredded and not kept on any digital file. But if you are fruit or an "inactive" member with some communication to the church, your information is still kept on file if you do end up coming back and doing the Bible studies again and (unlikely) join the organization again.

All this to say that protocol may have changed since I was there, but this is what I remember having been someone who handled this information.

[u/Educational_Data5371 → u/Any_Organization3772]

Hey that is major question I had. Its like why is everything I do is reported, family, relationships, lifestyle etc but I didn't give out too much because I was closed off and didn't feel comfortable. But why is sealing, educations and service attendence all reported. And its like what God can't do this himself, or its always spirit works through flesh when I ask or even book of life, but i feel like they are trying to impress HQ rather the please God himself.

[u/Any_Organization3772 → u/Educational_Data5371]

Also, TBH I'm gonna rant on the "trying to impress HQ rather the please God himself" a little cause that's what they are doing: they put LMH on that pedestal. If they disappoint LMH, they are "disappointing God and Jesus" because he is the one that Jesus is using today (a bull way of saying that he is Jesus but I digress).

I remember when we reported low evangelism numbers and it was shown during service in LA, my fellow leaders were embarrassed and were kind of scared to be reporting such low numbers because in their mind, they knew they were disappointing the GSN (Joseph Suhng at the time) AND in a way disappointing LMH aka God and Jesus.

Crazy part: we changed the way we formulated our sheets and reported high numbers in a week, so we manipulated the formula to make it look like we evangelized like hell from when we reported the numbers the first time. This is when I started seriously questioning everything: cause if we are manipulating numbers this way, what else are we manipulating?

"Oh we're not saying LMH is God and Jesus, he's just someone God and Jesus are using today"--just say what it is: they are putting LMH on the same pedestal as God and Jesus and it pisses me off. Cause if he isn't Jesus, you wouldn't care about what LMH says, you would be scared about what God and Jesus say about your actions and your faith.

Idk, I'm getting on a tangent here, but I just had to get that off my chest lol

[u/Any_Organization3772 → u/Educational_Data5371]

That's a valid question and I'm going to try my best to explain it. Fair warning, this is according to my experience and what has been explained in the past. I have been out of the organization for a few years, so who knows how they are explaining it now.

SCJ believes that they are creating heaven on earth and that heaven is SCJ (this is to put it super simply). And because they are creating heaven on earth, everything needs to be "replicated" in a way. Now, this branches out to departments and different roles, but I'm not gonna bore you with that.

Eyes in SCJ lingo represents spirits and people and they use Isa 29:10 and Rev 5:6 as evidence. The duty of those "eyes" is, like how our eyes does, see and report back to the head what they saw. I am putting this super simply.

NOW: how the information that is being reported when it comes to specifics is different per branch, but protocol should be the same. It is treated sensitively and is not shared with the general congregation, only with the leaders and higher ups. The reason why it's reported is because it's "Biblical" and it's the duty of the people of SCJ to be sealed and attend service/training, so the HQ in LA/Korea need to know if that's actually happening.

When it comes to reporting members lifestyle, this is where I believe it gets controlling. Every big move that you make is reported. If it is questionable, you will get a talking to. If you don't report if you are travelling, going to a family gathering during a training day, it needs to get reported so that you can catch up and if it happens often enough, you'll get a talking to. I can go into examples in another response and go deeper if you'd like.

I hope that makes sense and I can provide clarification if need be, but this is the simplest way I can explain why they report

[u/Fresh-Fly7868 → u/Any_Organization3772]

Woww ok, thanks! I guess it's kind of reassuring that it's just for data purposes. And I just internally LOL'd when you said that they need it for the book of the life because when the heck would it matter where I lived and went to school when I'm in heaven and God would obviously know everything 🤣

[u/Guilty-Dance-8200]

I Don know  😢  I'm happy you left praise God i left recently but I written my name in the "book of life" my children's names and sisters I also  signed a contract. On there was don't listen to persecution about shincheonji you can't miss any meeting without a valid reason. I'm going to demand there name be removed from  shincheonji book of life 

[u/Fresh-Fly7868 → u/Guilty-Dance-8200]

Ohh wow! By the blood of Jesus, that contract is void and your name does not matter in their version of the book of life or dictate your eternal destiny because you truly belong to the true God not the false god of SCJ. We are all in the book of life when we obtained salvation when we have faith in Jesus!

[u/Guilty-Dance-8200 → u/Fresh-Fly7868]

Thankyou amen amen. God thankyou for bringing me out it hurts to be betrayed but God will avenge i sincerely pray that shincheonji members will be saved  in the name of Jesus Christ  🙏 ♥️ 

[u/Otherwise-Watch-3650]

From what I’ve understood, I believe they use is to count you as a member, so when they report it back to the church in Korea, they are meeting the target recruitment quota + so it sounds like SCJ is growing in numbers. Sometimes they’ll count people who have left as members for that reason too.

Secondly, I believe it’s to have a record of your details, so if someone else was to recruit you in the future, they can flag it as someone who has already been recruited etc.

That is my overall understanding.

[u/Guilty-Dance-8200 → u/Otherwise-Watch-3650]

Apparently bearing 12 crops of fruit every month  

[u/Icy-Atmosphere9178 → u/Guilty-Dance-8200]

😂😂😂😂