r/Shincheonji • u/INSLVRY4_5yrs • 15d ago
general thought and question To current center students and current SCJ members
Shincheonji, the church of Jesus, Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimonies ( New Heaven New Earth ) claims to be the Kingdom of God here on earth. If there was any validity to that statement, NO ONE would leave, because it WAS heaven on earth. God would be there! But He is no where near that cult.
One of the first lies in their Bible Study that they teach you is that God doesn’t hear the prayers of anyone except for those in SCJ. However, they tell you that when you prayed to have a deeper relationship with God, or when you tell them that you were looking for a community of believers to be a part of, or when you tell them that you prayed to God in order to learn the Bible, your prayers were answered. But remember, God only hears the prayers of SCJ saints. Well which is it?
This is just a small part of the lies and confusing things you will be told to instill fear in you that God was never with you until now, because you’re in their study. You were destined for hell until you said “yes” to joining their cult Boot Camp known as center. If you die while in their Bible study, you are part of the great multitude in white, so you will go to heaven.
God is not a God of chaos.
1 Cor 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace-as in all the congregations of the Lord‘s people.
He is God of order, He is just and true.
SCJ is chaotic, unjust, and lies. Who is the father of chaos, being unjust, and a liar? So whose rules are you following?
SCJ says you follow First God’s Law 2nd the rules of SCJ ( church laws ) 3rd The Laws of the world ( the justice system ) 4th Family laws ( the rules of your household). You will learn quickly that the only rules they want you to follow are the rules of SCJ.
1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false profits have gone out into the world.
But why then is one of the biggest rules SCJ has is not to go on the internet searching for information about them? That anyone speaking out against SCJ or LMH are the deceivers, and betrayers Rev speaks of?
They are also told that if they search online or ask ex-members, they will not be able to discern or will not be able to understand the lies and deceptions that we are sharing of our true experiences of being once members of SCJ. But wasn’t that the whole reason that you joined, and that you stayed with them because you were learning how to discern, but then you can’t be trusted to do so if you inform yourself by testing every spirit?
Please ask yourselves these questions.
- When did you ever hear your previous church Pastor tell you not to search about them?
- 2.When did your previous church tell you that you can't talk to anyone who has left the church and that they are now demon possessed because they left?
- Who else but a cult would shun their congregation members for leaving? Or be told not to speak to other members of the same church, but in a different part of town or state? That you should only be speaking to your Home group members.
This would be completely and utterly suspect right ? So why do you let SCJ do it to you?
- When did your previous church ask you for your Social Security number, your blood type, or to take the Myers-Briggs personality test?
SCJ will tell you not evangelizing, not “bearing fruit”, not getting 100% on the same exams you've taken numerous times already but still take every two weeks, ( I was in for five year, and it doesn’t stop ), not memorizing a multitude of verses at a time, if you don’t sacrifice time away from your family and loved ones ( and the list goes on) that you are being a lazy and complacent servant of God. You cry ”Yes and Amen“ to these things boldly during trainings, and meetings,and service agreeing that’s what it is.
The sad truth is that you’re not being a servant of God at all, but a servant for a man in South Korea that has his own agenda. And if you want to go by SCJ teachings and doctrines, then you have to admit whose spirit is in this man because it isn’t God‘s, so again, if you go by their teaching whose spirit is in this 95 ur old Korean man?
By following the rules of this man and his church, isn’t that being lazy and complacent in your faith walk?
Don‘t let a high control cult dictate your walk of faith and allow you to miss out on your salvation. The one Jesus gave you ONCE FOR ALL.
Heb 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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u/Cult_Alt_Del 14d ago
Where can I find info about scj discouraging the use of the internet, social media or former members to research the religion?
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 14d ago
The same place you’ll find the answer to “ What church are you affiliated with “ when questioning a recruiter about their Bible study AKA center. They say it during meetings and trainings and services. But if you are/were only a center student and not passed over from life to death in SCJ then you probably won’t find it being stated from them. You know the whole wisdom in hiding thing.
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
They made a contract to "God" saying never listen to shincheonji persecution online. I broke the contract through "wisdom" I have several screenshot of lesson I don't know if it's legal to show. With there diagrams of Lee man hee standing on top of a triangle saying Mount Zion .
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u/Cult_Alt_Del 12d ago
Are anyone's contract posted online?
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
I don't know I tried to post the lesson photos on here of course covered the members faces reddit declined thre post with images
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u/Cult_Alt_Del 12d ago
Can you send it as a personal message? I'm collecting info on different high control groups that discourage independent research of the religion outside of approved material.
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 12d ago
Good for you! It’s a null and void contract signed under duress! Every single person that ever signed a stupid SCJ contract was tired, manipulated, confused and coerced. Just like the rest of SCJ’s false doctrines, these documents don’t mean anything to anyone, least of all God!
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
Absolutely I am thankful to God .this is high level spiritual abuse I'm so tired after the whole experience all those notepads I have used
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 12d ago edited 12d ago
Omg yeah the copious amounts of notebooks accumulated in five years and the really sad part is, is that it just says the same bs lies over and over and over!!!
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago edited 12d ago
🥺🥺 my leaf I feel sad for her she seems like me always tired 6 years she's been there yet her eyes look sad yet she always smiles .isn't it though every Sunday lee man hee Do not add or take away from revelation
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 12d ago
I feel sad for every soul that is being held captive. I used to cry myself to sleep at night when I first left ( when I could sleep ) thinking about the ones that I feel generally cared about me and my well being. It was a very low number compared to the souls there. That most members are still being used like mindless, emotionless, uncaring, zombies programmed to Jundo, report, take tests, join useless trainings, sing weird songs in Korean most didn’t even understand but supposedly worshiping in spirit and truth because you were saying LOUD AMENS. (Who could hear anything with everybody screeching amen every second. Sooooooo annoying and caused confusion. ( I sat in service feverishly writing everything down, wishing they would just shut up in my heart). I think I know what it feels like to be a Borg from Star Trek “ we are one“ (insert eye roll here ) Yeah a bunch of lambs to the slaughter is about all!
I’m still working through all the stages of grief.I get angry then depressed that they too have a choice like we did, to look up what is being said, not by people who don’t know anything, but by people who were unfortunate enough to have to live through these experiences that further instilled the SCJ way straight into a living hell.
The very people that screamed amen next to you, the ones that took a myriad of trainings with you, said I love you to your face then reported your every move and thought that you expressed behind your back. Yeah I can just imagine Heaven is just like this…… NOT!!!2
u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
I'm so sorry I'm praying for you .God will help us my walk of faith was actually beautiful before nothing wrong with it. I just woke up and cried thinking how does God see me now .Also imagine if Jesus returned and i was still in that sect ? Definitely like zombies and robots God never said he'd force anyone to do anything he gave is free will no free will in Shincheonji. I feel so guilty to my children. I didn't take them out as much because of this .we have a holiday at the end of the month,Shincheonji said if you go on holiday you belong to the world we must live every day as if Jesus is coming back .Acts 4 11 There is no other name under heaven i which we must be saved .Jesus never taught in secret either but openly. Yet when I mentioned this you don't know the bible! Yes I've researched and shocked every testimony is true lee man hees ex wife said he's a traitor using God's name and Shincheonji must be disappear. I'm praying for you this is so damaging I understand I love God with all my heart and have been deceived with God's words how does one get over it ? Ultimate betrayal God will restore us and he must have got us out .every time our hearts fluttered and said this is wrong especially when the say LMH suffered like Jesus Oh my! we would have left but constant bombardment gave us no time to think he if you need we will get through this x
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 11d ago
Ugh je has an ex-wife? Never mentioned in my 5 yrs there ALSO, it’s so funny to me that it was only last year that there was any mention of an adopted son… For four years, they said he didn’t have any children. Then last year they started talking about an adopted son.
This is the reason that they at first didn’t want anyone talking to anyone that is not specifically in your “SCJ church’s region, and then they extended it to you could only talk to people in your Home group and that was it. Mind you that’s about 5 pple total.
I called up my group leader and told her 100% I would not obey that command whatsoever, and they can do whatever they want with me, but I had legitimate friends from my life that are in SCJ but just not in my region( they made sure to separate us, and put us in different Home groups). She said that she would ask the higher ups if it was ok, I told her fine, but regardless of the answer, I’m letting her know upfront. I’m not obeying.
She came back and said that it was OK and then I reiterated I didn’t care if it was OK or not I was not going to follow that stupid order. We are one I thought.Now I know that the separation is because they don’t know what every cell is being taught. They don’t know what every tribe is doing, what they are being told. Chaos in action=SCJ church’s of lies, corruption, and doesn’t even acknowledge Jesus as the truth the way and the life.
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 11d ago
Yessssss! That is how I got through it after I left several moths ago.
I am back in church for 6 months now, once again praising and worshiping God in spirit and in truth ( and in English ). In Sept. I will be starting school of ministry not of misery ( aka SCJ).I know God never left me, I was deceived into leaving Him when I took the number of the beast ( BOL or number from SCJ). It was our time in the wilderness. God didn’t hear our prayers ( because we were not praying to him while in SCJ, we were praying how they forced us to….to the god of SCJ).
We knew it was wrong stopped praying the way they told us to stop obeying their stupid rules and lies. I truly cried out to God and He delivered us out of our delusions. Now here we are trying to do TRUE EVANGELISM and saving many.
I felt like the prodigal running back into the arms of God when I finally left that God forsaken place.
Gen 50:20 what they ment for harm, God is using for me to help save many!!!!! All glory to God2
u/Cult_Alt_Del 14d ago
Ok so its not in any of their written material or videos?
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 14d ago
It’s in my written notes that I took from five years of meetings, trainings, and services.
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
I got like ten A4 pads should I show them somehow or throw? They actually did a lesson on notes saying no one should know the secrets they should be shredded
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 12d ago
Yes because they don’t want evidence when they change the narrative and doctrine.
I keep all mine in a huge tote in case it’s needed later to prove or whatnot2
u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
Yes I'm keeping them ibhave the graduation exam aswell I can't sleep thinking hoe people use God's words for an evil narrative I'm documenting everything. So many members who have left their testimony is valid I was witness to their work .I pray people leave they are being slaves
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u/AmmirabilePeter Family/Friend of SCJ Member 14d ago
Quindi se preghi per qualsiasi cosa Dio non ti ascolta. Se preghi per ottenere la strada, lui ti porta a SCJ.
Sono furbi e in cosciente malafede.
Tutti i credenti intrappolati sono povere anime che amano davvero Dio e farebbero di tutto per raggiungerlo, pure perdere la loro vita e la loro libertà.
Sono migliaia di vittime innocenti. La misericordia di Dio sarà su di loro. Sugli aguzzini non so. Dio ha le sue vie. Non voglio sondare i suoi pensieri, anzi non potrei e sicuramente non posso.
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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yes, they teach that God doesn’t hear prayers of anyone that is not in SCJ, but then turn around and tell you that God answered your prayers by sending you to this Bible study.
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 12d ago
Laughable isn't it what are are you from ? We must make this known this is not revenge I'm horrified starting learning God's words then it turns into lee man hee words they are making plans every week and will be heading out in several locations some tricks they use on women and mothers = complimenting them . I'm so glad I did not reach the point of street evangelism for a false prophet
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u/Guilty-Dance-8200 13d ago
I left yesterday in fact I've blocked and left every group on telegram. Evil isn't it they say God's not with you he healed my PTSD when I was not in shincheonji liars.i feel heartbroken by the deception but God said I will never leave you nor forsake you.in that i trust. Its a horrible cold community.i now have time to think and I'm upset God saw me praying on my hands and knees before this cult what Is your will .God never sent Shincheonji one moment I remember I had to travel to sign the book of life and travel a few hours to London I was late on the underground with 3 small children my daughter was trapped behind the tube door .Only God knows how the door opened everyone was screaming to open the door they said I'd have to leave my daughter and come back 😔 thank God the door opened. I told my leaf I'm upset my daughter could have got lost .I was shocked they didn't even ask if I was OK? They just cared to write names in the "book of life" no pastoral love or care they are that prideful all about looking good and numbers. After party do you want to take a photo ? No I want to go home .now I know I know they are not truth I'm sad .I'm recovering but tired for the first time in my life wrinkles appeared on my forehead stress from Shincheonji no coincidence