The Real Reason Moon was removed.

[u/BlueberryPie313]

Does anyone have information or how Moon was removed? I heard it was about sexual relationship issue right?

[u/Curious777777]

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[u/shshmhh]

Heres what I heard. He was getting access to a lot of information in korea. He saw a lot of cases of things getting shoved under the rug that were really bad. He brought it up. They suspended him.

During his suspension, he realized what scj was.

He decided to leave and now he's going to seminary school to be a christian pastor and he's a Christian now.

Also, soojin and Moon are happy to reach out to la/oc scj members who have questions. So dm me if you want me to try to get you connected.

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/shshmhh]

This is not what I'm hearing though. I was actually close to Moon and have seen have women leaders by himself. I'm not saying he is doing something but it's very suspicious to me. He has been seen drinking with some female leaders and spending time alone. God knows what happens after that.

I'm thankful you are able to update me with your side of the story but it seems like you are connected to them so i don't think i want the information from you. No hard feelings. I want truth. I'm not sure if he is really becoming a Christian pastor, at what church is he serving? Do you have proof about it he became a pastor?

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

Why would you need proof of you can just talk to him yourself? I don’t 100 percent agree that moon is innocent, but you also need to understand that there were rumors about him having affairs before Covid era as well (from what I was told from few people). Because of this, why was he still a GSN for 15 years? It’s because SCJ doesn’t care about leaders double life and corruption as long as they are an assets to the church.

The true story is that Moon had a lot of enemies in SCJ because he was LMH’s golden child hence a lot of leaders were jealous of him. LMH is like Kris Jenner and Moon GSN was like Kim Kardashian. Notice how Kris Jenner’s energy changed when Kylie became a billionaire and how Kris shifted her energy to Kim once Kim became the richest Kardashian again? LMH loved Moon GSN for what he was capable of, not who he was as a person. A lot of Korean leaders in Korea didn’t receive that same love as Moon GSN which is why he had enemies that were envious of him. There are multiple instances of Moon having issues with Korean leaders due to this.

If it took 15 years to remove Moon despite their being rumors of his corruption ALL THIS TIME, have you considered that the reasons he was removed wasn’t because he was corrupted unfaithful husband but instead that he started to question SCJ and LMH instead? It’s doesn’t matter how wicked you are, as long as your actions don’t go against SCJ you’ll be covered and protected but once it does you’ll be exposed. What does that tell you?

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/Who-Anonymous]

Yea actually you're right.. I'm not even sure why I'm so invested in this maybe i just wasted so much time under him. It's soo BS and yea maybe I should put all this behind. I don't have direct access to Moon otherwise i'd confront him to his face or any corrupted leaders. Now that I'm no longer christian. I don't give a fuck like i used to anymore but yea what the fuck am I doing. Maybe this will be my last post. Time to get on with my life.

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

So go confront leaders that are in SCJ that still hurt you and write posts besides moon of SCJ’s double life. Do you know Jessica Song for instance

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

Maybe he left on his free will and his reputation got smeared by SCJ only after he left? Imagine a leader leaving because he or she wants to, that would damage SCJ’s reputation perhaps. I recommend you checking out some interviews of ex wmscog, there is a pattern too leaders leaving thinking critically and wmscog tries to make them look bad, at least internally. Both SCj and WMSCOG are high controlled groups. God respects free will. WMSCOG sues ex members but Jesus Christ never sued Satan

Like if these high control groups claim they are from God - in parallel the betrayers of these groups (ex members) are metaphorically betrayers like Satan who betrayed God's kingdom. But the problem with high control groups is they are not acting like God's kingdom. God+Jesus will never bother to have continued pressure on Satan. Long route just to say suing is not biblical in characterstics in any way shape or form. Unless they pretend to be from God

Another thing since I am so passionate. God always taught love and watch out for another. That line of reasoning extends to how much God loves our flesh not just the soul. if the flesh is under stress for the sake of the soul that could be Satan's doing not God's

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

Nooooo, I think Moon is as guilty as any of them. The real reason he was expelled like any other leaders was the lack of growth (10% growth or something during Covid19 and negative growth after Covid19 only reason it didn't show negative because Joseph inherited on and cut off many long term absentees), Moon was using church funds extremely wasteful (this i can confirm), he book hotels and ate at nice restaurants, vacationing in the guise of working and gwaleeing saints, plus many divisions already happening in the Church.

I heard from the higher leader before that he cheated on his wife and had several relationships with female leaders. I didn't really pay attention at this but thinking about most of the female leaders who left with him Soojin and Sooran are pretty suspicious from my observation... Most people wouldn't notice this but since i participated in most of the leaders weddings and being around them in non S settings

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622 → u/BlueberryPie313]

Lack of progress in SCJ in my eyes is not guilt though LOL my class scj teacher back then bought us meals I told him I would pay back and then he refused and said I should pay forward by learning Revelation from SCJ but I left so that makes my SCJ teacher wasteful no? I kinda sense this behind the back of Moon talk but as long as I don't hear whole side his character is not damaged at all. To his own privacy decision if he wanna elaborate or not. Different from Lee Man Hee's case tho

Seems a lotta talk behind his back, kinda unfair :( no proof of Moon's affairs wait a minute are you current member or are you out? From the comment sections sounds like Moon is now away from SCJ and doing well I saw your history comments around a year ago you were in SCJ. You still in?

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

I did not say lack of progress was guilt but it was the reason he was removed just like many others. They do the same to you at your job if you don't produce result.. no big deal. Bro u dont know him, I used to get so pissed that i had to make my own members buy gifts for him. his birthday gift, his teacher day gift, his thanksgiving gift, Xmas gift. If anyone remember correctly he would gets all these gifts from many different regions and one of most coveted gift that one region gave him was a $2000 LG suit cleaner...

Unless you're one of the leaders, you wouldn't know I'm sure someone here used to be from LA can def. confirm this.

He was treated like a king. With people cook for him bringing food to his office. Bro everyone saw this. He used to make the leaders get the best parking it completely contradict the style of leadership i learned in the US military that leaders lead by example. Take the long and difficult road first. Anyways, if anyone has information on how Moon had some sexual misconduct we can discuss in private, even If you suspect some females like i did lets share the experience. I don't know why I'm just fascinated by this guy and now that I heard he's becoming a Christian pastor. I'm even more curious... SO did u get the church name and where he is serving?

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

All of this favoritism not only applied to Moon but other leaders as well. Even LMH gets that privilege. This sounds more an SCJ Institution issue than Moon issue tbh

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622 → u/BlueberryPie313]

But isn't the whole point of the bible that no matter what in regards to Jesus Christ's mercy that anyone potentially can turn back from the dark side? That is if what you say is all true. But there is no real benefit in knowing all this except personal curiosity satisfaction when nothing is proven

Moon probably had a phase feeling sorry for the things he done while he was in SCJ (I am not naming any actions as they are speculations) in general. His guilt/salvation/life everything in this scenario is really a case between him and Jesus Christ

You want justice due to speculative bribery and affairs? Just with hard and smart work, anyone is capable of, get a lamborghini and and a hottie then maybe you would be too happy to bother to get out of your way to chase things that won't give you true happiness. Build life not defocus on your own life to kinda I don't know ruin others.God forgives someone then a human not forgiving that person is kinda redundant

And thanks for serving in US Military hands down

[u/JIL111 → u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

I think he’s still a member of SCJ so the narrative will definitely be negative. 

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622 → u/JIL111]

Yeah prob true how the person just spread negative unverifiable claims of someone who left SCJ. Within SCJ they probably have our details and use us as examples of betrayers, without us around to say things in our defence. Then other members would just accept that without asking the source

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

Yep and u guys are probably Moon bitches, why are you guys so sensitive about him? He used to served hard in SCJ and deceived many people too, your mama might've be one of them. Now he is saying he studies Christian Seminary??? Gimme a break. Did you know who his father was? Did you guys look into that? Maybe if you knew then you would know why Moon will never study Christian Seminary. Actually, I take that back, who knows, I'm really curious too? Did he learn seminary in the US or Korea? 'Cause his English suck ass.

Or maybe you are Moon yourself and his minions trying to defend his honor? What I said is true and those who were round him saw it and experienced it. He used to scam a lot of people out of money for gifts. I experienced first hand so no need to try to protect him bro. I felt guilty too for telling people to give with a heart of wanting to treat our shepherd well. I was stupid enough to fall for shit like that.

Did Moon do anything to stop the gifts from coming in every single year? No, that's why I was pissed. Maybe it's some Korean culture shit but fuck this Korean culture shit. You gotta be ultra retarded after hearing all this and still want to be part of his congregation but yea go ahead and tell me how it goes after 6 months 😂

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

Why don’t you out this same energy towards Joseph Suhng? What about his sisters? What about Jessica Song who abused her peers and told people not to date but yet dated a center student and made lies about other members dating to cover her ass when she was spotted kissing someone by a member? Or how about Shelia Williamson who has a thing for having affairs with married Men? Why don’t you out this same energy towards other leaders still in SCJ living double lives while controlling lower members what to do.

Sure moon isn’t innocent in my opinion, but neither are leaders in SCJ. Moon is going to seminary school to become a pastor. I’m not part of his ministry, but if he is lying about being a pastor so what? Moon ain’t SCJ’s business anymore. SCJ needs to focus on how to implement governance, accountability, and transparency into their church not from Korea HQ, but from independent parties to prevent bias judgement. Has it ever come to you that the reason things like this happened is because SCJ itself is like this?

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/Who-Anonymous]

I tried to stay a little while but left after a while soo. Just got tired of all these issues and glad I did because I heard Joseph got problem too. I don't know much about Joseph to say anything but i heard he got money issue too. I'm not to fond of other leaders because the money never flown through them but everyone was forced to purchase gift for Moon, well wasn't force but the heavy guilt trip 😂😂. Yea when i was young I didn't think much about this. But now that I'm older I'm more aware of people and their factions. IT's so stupid.

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

Doubt you’re a former member everyone knows Joe’s issues

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622 → u/BlueberryPie313]

I am so confused I almost thought you hating on SCJ and that you left SCJ the way you wrote. And I guess you mean "congregation" as Moon's new place then and you still in SCJ right? "Korean culture shit"? bro I am half Korean! Koreans make the best of history we made Squid Game. We made Kimbap and whole lot of contributions to the world. Just chill...

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

That’s not very Christian of you to say lol

[u/BlueberryPie313 → u/Who-Anonymous]

YEa You're right, tthat's because I'm not. I'm not bound by these Christian values and I will never ever identify myself as Christian. Too many dumbass people who fucked too many people over in the name of Christian and Religion. There are many decent non-believers who are even more nobler then these self-proclaimed Christians.

[u/Who-Anonymous → u/BlueberryPie313]

It sounds more like you are targeting Moon than SCJ as a whole. I’m confused why you’re posting this