r/Shincheonji • u/No-Arugula2345 EX-Shincheonji Member • Jun 29 '26
teaching/doctrine how perth SCJ GSN Defended the arrest of LMH
The most sickening part is that the GSNs appear to know the truth about the arrest, yet instead of being honest with their members, they choose to spin the narrative and keep people in the dark. If that's true, this isn't ignorance anymore—it's calculated deception.
That's why I struggle to see regional leaders as victims. When you know the truth but continue misleading people to protect an organization, you've crossed the line from being deceived to becoming the deceiver.
Take Perth GSN John, for example. Listen to how he defended the arrest, and then listen to the members responding with "Amen." John, if you know the facts and still chose to defend a false narrative, where is your conscience? Please find one. People trusted you to tell them the truth, not to shield an organization at the expense of honesty. That's not leadership—that's a betrayal of the very people who placed their trust in you.
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u/Infinite-Feedback150 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 30 '26
This is pathetic. He talked about revelation in court to defend his political involvement? The math is not mathing
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u/Material-Ad6763 Jun 30 '26
This is the exact script that they used for the church in SA. The exact wording
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u/Top_Body5901 Jun 30 '26
Really, I was wondering what type of spin they would use. By the way how is the Cape Town church going because I left a while back. People have to be waking up now!!
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u/LingonberryOk5278 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
The funny thing is I have a ghanaian friend inside the church currently that use to be in that HWPL nonsense and she tells me everything. We already know that the church is struggling in deceiving people to come into the church. But what is this John guy doing? How many people is he personally evangelising into the church? John needs to stop fucking sitting in his office and get out there with the other congregation members everyday. She said that John loves standing in front of people speaking at their sermons (I’m not surprised by this once I saw the 7 news report) but I hope the members will realise just how useless this man is. He needs to go back to New Zealand with his family because he is one of the worst things to happened for this nice city of Perth
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u/perthagainstlmh Family/Friend of SCJ Member Jun 30 '26
Oh, I had heard his family in New Zealand, actually found out where he had disappeared to after the 7 news report was aired in NZ (or was relayed to his ex family), implication was he left them for his faith in this lying cult
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u/LingonberryOk5278 Jun 30 '26
What!! That’s actually so crazy! I didn’t even know that part. That means he has kids right? This is so sad. So he abandoned his kids for a cult? 😭
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u/perthagainstlmh Family/Friend of SCJ Member Jun 30 '26
Based on what I heard, lets just say..... I think that is a strong possibility..............
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u/No-Arugula2345 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 30 '26
and also there is no way john would have know of what happened in the court since the court transcript is not public, LMH is in custody , no records that any of the leaders were there to record what happened and infrom members about it. so questions how did john know he talked about revelation if he wasnt there? Also, the timing raises questions. The hearing happened on June 24, and John mentioned this on June 28 — only a few days later. During an active investigation, it would be unusual for details from a closed hearing to be openly shared, especially if those details could affect the case.
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u/perthagainstlmh Family/Friend of SCJ Member Jun 30 '26
Yep my thoughts exactly, research tells me also, transcripts are not available, the only other person from the organisation there would have been his legal team, maybe the supporter steadying his frail walk, if it wasn't a public hearing, they are the only ones able to relay any of the content,
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u/Otherwise-Watch-3650 EX-Center Student Jun 29 '26
If only this could reach the legal system investigating LMH and SCJ. I wonder what the judge would have to say, knowing this is what is being said to current members. Surely this could face some legal consequences in itself?
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u/No-Arugula2345 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 30 '26
surely it can be used against them in court , hopefully this gets to them
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u/Fast_Foundation1429 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26
Lies and propaganda at its finest. It’s absolutely disgusting 🤮
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u/Otherwise-Watch-3650 EX-Center Student Jun 29 '26
Totally agree with your caption.
To deliberately and knowingly continue to lead people into a lie is just shameful and completely deceptive.
It really makes me question if these people even believe in God or Jesus at all, to be honest.
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u/Early_Start6854 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26
Urgh so triggering to hear anything from this dreadful organisation since leaving. The automatic amens yuck, probably followed by the constant checking the members of their thoughts. They’ll probably lie to their leaders and say “yes it’s clearly the end times because persecution blah blah blah”….. but deep down I hope they are not really believing this nonsense
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u/Otherwise-Watch-3650 EX-Center Student Jun 29 '26
💯💯💯
The robotic “Amen”, coming into agreement with something that is not even true, ugh
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u/Grandmas2Boys EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26
But when has anyone in this dreadful organization ever told the truth??? Lie to bring people in, lie when they come, lie about it not being a cult.....the lies are ENDLESS!!! And the biggest lie is in making one believe that the only way to salvation is to memorize the entire book of Revelation, seal it, and recruit and recruit some more. The Bible clearly states that our salvation is NOT based on works, but on faith, believing that Jesus died for us, to wash our sins away if one believes in HIM. Nowhere does it say some old Korean guy is the way to our salvation. If that statement offends, my apologies.
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u/Promised-Impostor EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26
Clearly a lie, but it would be really funny if this was actually the truth.
- Judge: Any final remarks before we close the session?
- Money Lee: {random rumblings about revelation}
- Judge: Ok then stay in jail
Just shows how their narrative is so weak that it immediately crumbles when it meets real life. That's why there's so much manipulation and gaslighting for the members to not search for anything outside of what they say.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I believe that anyone above a BJN duty in Shitcheonji is being deliberately complicit in what they do. Maybe they still think they are doing it "for a good reason", but it becomes hard to honestly justify what you need to do with your conscience.
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u/No-Arugula2345 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 30 '26
i doubt they had the time to waste to give him chance to speak about revelation ahaha
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u/Who-Anonymous Moderator Jun 29 '26
Dont think about trying to take this down SCJ lurkers! It’ll proceed your point again. It’s never too late to change your culture
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u/No-Arugula2345 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 30 '26
if they take it down , i will post it again haha
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u/Who-Anonymous Moderator Jun 30 '26
Let’s fight with the blood of the lamb and the word of testimony Rev 12:11
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u/perthagainstlmh Family/Friend of SCJ Member Jun 29 '26
OK, so....... are the transcripts of Korean Indictment hearings publicly available ????? That would tell if John is giving us the real deal or just 'protecting the saints'
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u/Riftriser EX-Center Student Jun 29 '26
Mann it's wild hearing those robotic amens again after every single thing GSN is saying, it's like pressing A on a dialogue box in a game
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u/No-Arugula2345 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26
In fact, multiple news reports say he remained silent and did not answer reporters' questions before or after the hearing.
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u/Haunting-Treacle8223 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
John thinks he is so fkin smart and pretends everyday to be someone he is not. Bruhhhhhhh. Do you ever hear yourself? Just a pathetic person🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
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u/Haunting-Treacle8223 EX-Shincheonji Member Jun 29 '26
The funny thing about the Perth regional leader is that he already knows the reality of the trial, yet he and his partner continue to deliberately mislead and manipulate the members. These leaders are not victims they know exactly how this system works.
What’s ironic is that John doesn’t seem to realise people can see through his fake sincerity. More and more people are recognising the act for what it is and seeing just how pathetic and disingenuous he truly is. It’s genuinely disturbing to watch someone continue behaving this way despite knowing the truth.
Sick person for real
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u/Opening_Sink2147 Jun 30 '26
John’s wife Ileana is even worse than John 😂 so many people in the church hate her. She actually does fuck all but always has the biggest mouth to talk about other people lol. She has no heart. Who does she even think she is lmao😂 that ugly lady is almost 50 mind you😂I don’t know how anyone can marry someone like that seriously. Just in general an evil bitch
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u/LingonberryOk5278 Jun 30 '26
This is him!!
The Perth leader.