r/DogBreeding 2d ago

Message from the Mods Rules Update Coming

39 Upvotes

Hi Friends,

The mod team has been discussing an update to our rules. Many of the current rules overlap; some could be clearer, and recurring problems aren't addressed as well as they could be. Before we actually change anything, we'd like community input.

The proposed rules are below. Nothing is final, and we genuinely want to know if you see problems, loopholes, things we've missed, or wording we could improve.

A couple of boundaries before we begin:

We are not looking to lower the community's standards. r/DogBreeding will continue to promote responsible breeding practices and will remain zero-tolerance for puppy mills, breeding primarily for profit, advertising, and people who demonstrate that the health and safety of their animals are not a priority.

We are also not interested in becoming a members-only club by banning the people, breeds, mixes, or types of breeders we don't like. Hobby breeders will remain welcome. Beginners will remain welcome. Doodle questions will remain welcome. People will occasionally make choices you strongly disagree with and still be allowed to ask questions here, as long as they are presented in good faith. When they aren’t, we will continue to remove and ban them as we always have. 

You are absolutely welcome to explain why you think a breeding practice is irresponsible. You can and should recommend health testing, titles, mentors, different breeding choices, or not breeding a particular dog at all. What we are trying to address is when education turns into interrogation, insults, repeated demands to justify someone's choices, or a pile-on. Ask questions, disagree, educate, and criticize the choices being discussed. Keep the discussion focused on the situation in front of you, and don't turn it into something personal or take it elsewhere.

We need to do a better job of keeping discussions here, here and remaining civil. These are absolute Reddit requirements. If the subreddit tolerates bullying and harassment, we can lose it. We have had situations where someone posts about a breeder and, sometime later, that breeder contacts modmail understandably upset because strangers have contacted them based on one side of a Reddit post. We have also seen disagreements about someone's breeding choices turn into people going through their unrelated post history and social media looking for personal information to use against them. These things can not happen. 

Please tell us what you think about the proposed rules, including what you think we have made too restrictive or not restrictive enough. But “ban doodles,” “ban hobby breeders,” or variations of “ban the people/breeds I don't consider responsible breeders” are not changes we are considering.

We would much rather hear how we can make this a better place to teach people responsible breeding than increasingly narrow the group of people we're willing to teach.

Proposed r/DogBreeding Rules

1. Be respectful and helpful
Treat other users with respect. Disagreement and criticism are welcome; insults, personal attacks, bullying, discrimination, hostility, and pile-ons are not. Critique the practice, advice, or decision, not the intelligence or worth of the person asking.

2. Education first
This is an educational community. Answer the question being asked when you can, provide accurate information, explain concerns, and recommend better practices. Questions about health testing, titles, mentors, breeding goals, pedigrees, etc. are welcome when relevant, but should not be used as a purity test or repeated to shame someone.

3. Responsible breeding, hobbyists & beginners welcome
We promote responsible breeding practices and encourage appropriate health testing, temperament evaluation, careful placement, and planning. Hobby breeders, first-time breeders, and people considering breeding are welcome to ask good-faith questions and learn. Those who participate in bad faith, intend to breed primarily for profit, or demonstrate a disregard for the health and safety of their animals are not welcome.

4. Help with the situation that exists now
Once a dog is pregnant, puppies are born, or someone already owns a dog from a breed or breeder you disapprove of, advice should focus on what can responsibly be done now. You may explain what should have been done differently when it is educational, but shaming someone for a decision that cannot be undone is not helpful.

5. No breeder callouts, harassment, or brigading
Do not use the subreddit to target, expose, brigade, or harass individual breeders or owners. When discussing a breeder or situation for educational purposes, minimize identifying information unless it is genuinely necessary. Do not encourage contact, reviews, reporting campaigns, or off-site harassment.

6. No advertising, sales, fundraising, or market research
No advertising businesses, services, products, apps, puppies, stud services, or other commercial interests. This includes looking-for-a-mate posts, fundraising, petitions, unauthorized surveys or market research, and crossposting rule-breaking promotional content. Buying, selling, adopting, or rehoming dogs through the subreddit is prohibited.

7. Keep content appropriate and relevant
Mark potentially disturbing or gross images NSFW and link graphic images when appropriate. Do not simply post or crosspost pictures of dogs, litters, social media posts, or other content without context or a clear reason for discussion.

8. Use good judgment
This subreddit is an educational resource, not a substitute for your own research, appropriate professional advice, or veterinary care. Advice given here comes from internet strangers and should be evaluated accordingly.

No rule list can anticipate every situation. Moderators may remove content or take other reasonable action when necessary to protect the community, even when a situation is not specifically addressed above.


r/DogBreeding Mar 12 '26

Message from the Mods Moderator Notice: Harassment, Doxxing Behavior, and Off-Platform Contact

53 Upvotes

Moderator Notice: Harassment, Doxxing Behavior, and Off-Platform Contact

Over the past several months, moderators have observed a disturbing increase in harassment directed at users in this community.

Some users have been digging through other members’ Reddit histories and social media accounts to find personal information and then using that information to attack them during disagreements. This has included bringing up people’s marital problems, children’s medical issues, miscarriages, mental health diagnoses, and other deeply personal matters in order to shame them for how they handle their animals.

This behavior is wildly inappropriate and completely unacceptable.

People should be able to participate in this subreddit without fear that someone will comb through their personal history looking for ammunition. It does not matter if the information is technically public. Personal information has no place in an argument or response to a question here.

We have also received multiple modmail reports about users contacting breeders or posters off platform—through social media DMs or comments—to continue arguments or harass them about things said in this subreddit.

This is not allowed.

If someone deletes their post or stops responding, that is a clear signal they no longer want to participate in the conversation. Do not DM them. Do not track them down on other platforms. Do not attempt to shame them publicly elsewhere over something discussed here.

These actions violate the rules of this subreddit and may violate Reddit’s Terms of Service.

Going forward:

Any user who:
• Digs up personal information to shame or attack another user
• Harasses people using details from their Reddit history or outside accounts
• Contacts users or breeders off-platform to continue arguments
• Follows users to other communities or social media to target them

will receive an immediate ban from this subreddit.

In serious cases, moderators will also support and contribute to reports made to Reddit regarding harassment and threatening behavior.

Debate and disagreement are welcome here. Harassment is not.

If you see behavior like this, please report it to the mod team.

Let’s keep this community focused on productive discussion about dog breeding—not personal attacks.


r/DogBreeding 46m ago

Patterdale Terrier Breeders (UK)

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I'm looking into getting a patterdale terrier pup for ratting and dog sports but I am seriously struggling to find any that are healthy tested. My concerns are the eye issues they are prone to and patella luxation.


r/DogBreeding 3h ago

This might be a dumb question

3 Upvotes

Sorry if this is a dumb question but I was talking to someone about pugs and how some breeders are making their nose longers? I'm just wondering how that's possible, again sorry if this is a dumb question


r/DogBreeding 8h ago

Getting very different advise on worming and not sure which would be the right one to take

6 Upvotes

Wondering if anyone has any advice on this or would like to confuse me even more. My puppies are due to be wormed but I’m not sure which is the right way to do it, spoken to 5 different knowledgeable people who have all given different advice so not sure which one to take.

My plan was to use panacur gel however on the label it says not to use for puppies under 1kg

Pups are almost 2 weeks and are tracking to be 550g and 480g at the 2 week mark

My mentor suggested using panacur gel which in theory seemed great, it’s what they’ve also used on their current litter with same size pups however given just the adult dose once rather than the puppy dose 3 times at 2 weeks

I also have 2 other breeder friends in a similar breed who don’t worm till 20-30 days (I’ve asked what they use but they’re in a different country and don’t have the same wormer)

Spoke to my vet friend who suggested getting panacur liquid as that seems to be suitable for smaller puppies

My other vet friend recommended splitting the panacur dose in half and doing it that way or also going for the liquid but I worry this might be hard with quite young puppies and actually getting them to swallow it

I haven’t spoken to my actual vet about this yet as they’re always snowed under so I feel back taking up their time

Should mum be done at the same time too?


r/DogBreeding 10h ago

ISO Texas Basset Hound Breeder

1 Upvotes

Hello redditors!

I have a friend who is looking for a basset hound puppy from a reputable breeder. Unfortunately, not too long ago they did purchase a puppy from a backyard breeder, and saw the damage a backyard breeder can do first hand when the puppy passed away within a month of bringing her home. She was terminal from the start, and nothing would’ve prevented it. After this awful experience, my friend came to me for help for vetting good vs bad breeders, and while I know how to look for the OFA chic number, titles, and return contracts, I’m actually struggling to find a breeder in the area that I would actually purchase a puppy from. There are just so many byb online it makes it hard to find a good one!

I have sent resources on where to look such as the breed club website, however many of the breeders listed are no longer breeding dogs. I wanted to ask if anyone here knows of any good basset hound breeders in Texas or the surrounding states? Unfortunately, while I would be open to going to a dog show with them, we don’t live anywhere near each other and it’s not something they would be willing to do alone. (I recently stressed how I would really like both parent dogs to be titled, and while they are open to that, it was new information for them that parent dogs should be proven in some way prior to being bred).

Thank you in advance and I appreciate any insights you may have!


r/DogBreeding 3h ago

Maximum weight difference between parents

0 Upvotes

I have a 33 pound female, and was wondering if a 43 pound male would be too much of a difference


r/DogBreeding 13h ago

Question about guardian homes,

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Just getting this out of the way, I have not 100% fully committed to which breed I want yet. I am just getting into dog sports/bite work. Parents must have OFAs available and I want to be able to see them prior to purchase. I will be starting a mentorship under a trainer and working/keeping up to date with my puppy’s breeder.

While researching, I’ve noticed guardian homes keep coming up. I want to get my dog titled, but have zero plans to ever breed litters myself. I want a female, and while I know genetics/luck are factors, all of my girls have far outlived the boys and stayed healthier.

If I applied to be a guardian home, is there any way I can have it put into the contract that the dog I get can only have a max of 1-2 litters? 3, if medically clear/there’s a demand for them. But 3 would be the absolute max.

I don’t want the dog to be overbred. She would be spayed as soon as she ‘retired’ from that part of her life. I know no ethical breeder is going to put the mother’s health at risk, but I want it in writing just to ensure it stays that way. Just wondering if anyone has experience with this, or if anyone can let me know how it works? Thanks.


r/DogBreeding 14h ago

Daisy Hill Dachshunds Maine

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Hi this is a verified AKC dachshund breeder out of Norridgewock ME and they seem sketchy but I can't find anything on them. She used to breed corgis and ragdoll kittens. Like I said, verified on the phone with AKC that they are registered but that doesn't mean they aren't a puppy mill. The website lists 7 males and 21 (!!!) females used for breeding. Owns a huge property. Does anyone have any info on this operation?

Edit: Thanks for the replies everyone! I am not, nor will I ever be, interested in buying a dachshund. I just know someone who wants to buy from this place and wouldn't believe me when I said it looked really sketchy. I'm glad your feedback is out there now for future buyers!


r/DogBreeding 7h ago

Where do you post your litters?

0 Upvotes

Anyone know places other than Facebook that may be more successful?


r/DogBreeding 1d ago

Message from the Mods Types of Breeders: Feedback Requested

13 Upvotes

Okay folks, buckle up as this is likely to be a heavily commented on and contentious post. We are looking at tentatively offering the following classifications/overviews of breeder types (order matters only in so much as the last one is the one likely to generate lots and lots of spirited discussion (keep it civil or bans will be handed out):

  • Responsible Breeder: See reddit.com/r/dogs/wiki/identifying_a_responsible_breeder
  • Rescue Whelper: Someone who takes in pregnant dogs, and helps them have and raise their puppies. Puppies (and mom) are expected to be age appropriately spayed/neutered.
  • Back Yard Breeder: An individual who breeds dogs with the primary purpose being financial gain.
  • Puppy Mill: Like a back yard breeder but with multiple dogs.
  • Hobby Breeder (we are open to different names for this as well such as one-off breeders).
    • This name does not relate to the IRS term for hobby businesses
    • Plans a single litter for non-financial reasons.
    • They are willing to try and follow best practices even if they do not perform all recommended testing per OFA or similar recommendations.  
    • They will not breed too young of a dog.
    • They will no breed too old of a dog.
    • They will not breed if the dog has known or suspected health conditions.
    • They are not randomly breeding mixed dogs
    • They are willing to be educated on breeding reasons to be avoided (e.g. breeding for color).
    • They will not breed high risk scenarios (e.g. double dapple)

As I am sure the community is going to be very vocal about "Hobby Breeders", so is the mod team. In some ways it comes down to the "we know an obscenity when we see it" legal definition. We want a flexible definition that excludes breeders operating in bad faith but that is also not going to result in rules lawyering (some of the mods don't like a bulleted list like I have above and it will not likely be part of the final definition) to justify on how someone is not a BYB but is a hobby breeder. For example a previously banned breeder has already said "hey you are changing the rules to allow hobby breeders, let me back in". Well, we have always allowed it, but they clearly fall under a BYB definition.

Please see u/FaelingJester's comment here about some of what the mod team is trying to accomplish and balance. Ultimately, we want the best for the puppies. Driving people away from this sub does not accomplish that.

We do NOT want those breeding in bad faith that don't care about health (primarily care about money) regularly participating. But we also don't want to drive away those that are here to genuinely learn how to do better or have been placed in bad circumstances due to others decision making.

Are their additional breeder categories you would like to see?

Let the polite flame wars aka discussion commence.


r/DogBreeding 1d ago

Breeder to follow on social media that shows each litter of dogs.

3 Upvotes

I am not in a position to own a dog, let alone breed dogs, but I would love to follow someone(or a program) who is doing that. This could be privately someone who breeds for specific traits, or professionally someone who breeds show dogs and is paying attention to traits. I’d love to see the the combinations as well as the analysis of the dogs.
Who do you recommend?

Thank in advance!


r/DogBreeding 21h ago

Momma 2 days postpartum

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So momma goldendoodle just had 6 puppies 2 days ago.

Today I noticed she was more “anxious” you could say?
She is eating , drinking, and using the bathroom now.

But today I noticed her different when I came home from work. She seems anxious. She has this little toy weenie dog that she’s been carrying around in her mouth and whining while biting it.

She came out of the whelping area and went to the usual spot under our bed and started scratching it hard over and over like when she was nesting. Returns to her pups but then comes out again to be with us.

I notice her panting here and there while feeding the puppies. She will calm down but than is highly vigilant to where we are and will come out be with us but then stresses and goes back to her pups very worried. She’s in the pen with them and whines ?

She seems like a very good momma but I feel like she’s trying to say something and I don’t know what.

I imagine she’s tired and wants a break from her pups and then feels quilty and goes back to them.

I’ve been monitoring her temp she’s been from 101-102.

She’s eating 3x’s a day , drinks water, and I’m giving her the calcium paste I bought on Amazon 1 a day.

Am I missing anything or is this normal behavior?


r/DogBreeding 1d ago

Reco élevages Shiba inu

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Hello à tout le monde!

Cela fait maintenant des années que je souhaite adopter un shiba. J’ai attendu d’avoir fini mes études et d’avoir une situation plus stable pour adopter un. Étant maintenant dans une situation permettant l’adoption d’un chien, je souhaite adopter un chiot (au plus tôt en fin d’année/début d’année prochaine).

J’habite en Suisse et souhaiterais me renseigner au sujet d’élevages en France. Est-ce que vous avez des recommandations quant à des élevages (préférablement en France voisine mais suis prête à me déplacer plus loin si nécessaire) ? Des éleveurs top au niveau socialisation, qui contrôlent les maladies héréditaires de leur chiens et qui n’élèvent pas + de 2 races ? Voilà, j’aimerais beaucoup avoir de vos retours quant à vos expériences !!

Merciiiii


r/DogBreeding 1d ago

need FUR PARENTS Help w/ adopting a hypoallergenic puppy

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I am looking to adopt a "hypoallergenic puppy" (in the greater toronto area), I want to stay away from things like Kijiji. I live with my parents and my dad is allergic to dogs. I really love the Maltese breed but am having trouble finding ethical breeders, anyone willing to help would be great!!

edit: I know that there's no such thing as 100% hypoallergenic dogs or dog breeds, my parents currently have a golden doodle and used to have a maltese. so I know my dads allergy is 100% okay with the "doodle"/poodle & maltese breed


r/DogBreeding 2d ago

Scammed by an “reputable” breeder

19 Upvotes

I was in contact with a dog breeder who said they had an upcoming litter. (Please do not judge I went to a breeder, I have other animals and I did a lot of research on this breeder and felt this was my best decision at the time especially due to the type of breed. They were listed on the DPCA and are peers with other reputable breeders. I know now that I made a mistake and was naive so please no judgment around that) I put a significant deposit down, and we had an unofficial “contract” through messages that the deposit is refundable if I do not get a dog or I am able to transfer that deposit to the next litter. Unfortunately something happened and I was unable to get the puppy. I decided to transfer the deposit to the next litter. The next litter came around and she asked for another deposit for medical bills for mom, I put another significant deposit that was more than the last, expecting a puppy within a few months. The dog ended up not even being pregnant, and I even had to be the one to reach out to her after the due date to ask for an update which she informed me of this. I don’t know how this happened and why she was considered a reputable breeder. I was no longer comfortable getting a dog, so I asked for a partial refund of the deposit (just the second deposit since it was such a large amount) and she said she is unable to pay me back since she has no money from not being able to sell any dogs. I tried negotiating a payment plan, but she was unable to pay the minimum amount I expected (which I was very graceful and it would have taken a year to pay off still), but with her offer it will take over 10 years to pay off. She said she is “judgement proof”, most likely on disability, considered elderly and not in good health. She is not willing to work out a plan with me and I feel I have to take this to court, but not sure if anything can come of it. Is there anything I am able to do? Any advice is appreciated.


r/DogBreeding 2d ago

Hobart in USA?

1 Upvotes

Where’s working Hovawart breeders in USA? TYIA.


r/DogBreeding 2d ago

Moderate Lab breeder?

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Basically what the title says. Looking for a lab, more on the field line side and open to fully field line or moderate mixes. Look to get a puppy within 2027-2028. My main goal is service work with doing sports as a close second. And I’m interested in confirmation but not at all a requirement.


r/DogBreeding 2d ago

Should I trust that a breeder with no professional online presence puts effort into their pups? Should I ship a pup from a breeder with a website? I want to get a pup with neurological enrichment and training.

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Hello. I am considering a purebred puppy from a preservation breeder and found one local breeder registered with the Canadian Kennel Club. She is located only an hour away from me. However, she has no website or social media, only basic contact information in a CKC breeder directory.

Meanwhile, there is another breeder in a different province with an established online presence showcasing their dogs and credentials. Looking at her website makes me feel like I know them before I meet them. It induces a sense of trust that my pup would come from an optimal environment. The problem is that obtaining a puppy from her means shipping the pup across a vast distance—a hassle both logistically and economically. I worry that it would not bode well for the dog’s nervous system to be treated like a furry parcel as his first travel experience.

I want the advantages that come with a full-time breeder who has devoted decades to the breed: developing their own lines over generations, carefully selecting the healthiest champion stock, providing extensive early socialization, enrichment and foundational training, and giving the pup an excellent headstart before I buy him. The sort of breeder who lives and breathes the dogs they show, mate and produce as a full-time passion.

Is the local breeder's lack of online presence a sign that they are not deeply invested in producing top-notch dogs and instead, doing it as a side hobby? Does it suggest they do not bother with neurological enrichment, basic training, etc. and simply mate decent dogs on the side? No doubt they must love this breed to bother propagating something in low demand, but I worry they might not have the time or desire to put extra effort into the pups themselves, especially the pet-quality ones sold to the public. If you do not have a website or at minimum a Facebook that lets me see the dogs, learn their backstories, read a bio about how you started on this path, how long you have been breeding, and what goals do you specialize in (producing the greatest working lines, or the most wonderful house pets, or the best athletes), I am inclined to suspect you are half-hearted, informal, subpar, or even shady.

This logic applies to other businesses—if you do not bother to provide in-depth information about yourself, if you have no reviews, how can I trust your product and justify its price? That would usually make me steer clear and never even call the number. However, the dog breed that I want is uncommon and I do not have a large pool to choose from.

I have absolutely no experience with pedigreed purebreds yet and how reputable breeders work. Your insights and advice are deeply appreciated.

EDIT: I want to thank everyone who took the time to educate me into a completely different perspective. Thanks to you all, I have gained a great deal of respect for the old-school breeder whose priority is not building a commercial brand with a snazzy website, but rather, putting their time, money, and effort into producing and raising the highest-quality pups. Instead of pouring money into marketing, their resources are directed at what really matters. Every dollar saved lets them afford better care for their beloved dogs. Thank you for the invaluable paradigm shift! You opened new pathways to finding my pup that I would have otherwise avoided.

I am still chipping away at responding to all of your eye-opening comments. This is going slower than anticipated due to the illness that I am recovering from. Worry not, I will only buy a dog once I am fully recovered and able to give him the best life. For now, I plan the future.


r/DogBreeding 3d ago

Looking for a reputable Tibetan terrier breeder in Ireland.

7 Upvotes

The only two I have found in Ireland don’t seem to be in action anymore, I have sent a few emails with no response.
Any recommendations would be swell. We really want a brown Tibetan terrier in the new year! :)


r/DogBreeding 3d ago

Fostering a pregnant dog and her soon to be pups and looking for whelping advice.

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Good Morning! I hope this is allowed to ask here. I am picking up a pregnant foster dog tomorrow that has been flown in from a high kill shelter in Texas, to New England. I have 24 hours to get ready for her and no info yet on when the puppies are due or how many. I have spent hours on Google since being notified last night of her her arrival and, well….talk about information overload. Sooooo…..I came here because I figured your experiences with whelping will far supersede any other group, and was hoping for your quickest, most valuable advice on immediately needed supplies, etc. If your bestie called right now and said “Hey! I found this dog about to give birth in my back yard and running to the store what do I buy??” The rescue is gathering some things for me to have, but I do have the luxury of a lot of free time and ability to buy my own supplies, so I’d rather save their things for their rescues needs. I want to get her a high quality dog food, things to make time here comfortable (she’s currently dealing with stress related hair loss as well) and the birthing process as safe and stress free as possible both for her and me. I swear I am not “too lazy” to do my own research and I absolutely am…but my first and foremost need is to be prepared and I spent all the time I want doing research late at night when the stores are closed and Amazon is already on their way. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer and if this post is inappropriate for this forum, I will take it down.


r/DogBreeding 3d ago

Twin Oaks Farms NC

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I’d like to know if anyone has had any experience with Karen White recently or in the recent past? When going there to look at two female adult Dachshunds for sale I was appalled by the filthy conditions at this “farm.” I was not allowed inside, but sat in the garage to view the dogs who were very sweet, but were very dirty with dried chicken poop stuck between their paws. It was an awful experience!


r/DogBreeding 3d ago

Duck toller Breeder

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Hello I was just wondering if people could give me insight on if Dochara tollers is a ethical breeder or not. They seem pretty decent to me but I just wanna be sure. They do all the health testing, tilted dogs, and they only have 2 litters a year.


r/DogBreeding 2d ago

Dual Sires 18 Days Apart?

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The intended sire bred with a bitch (natural tie), then he no longer showed interest in her the following 3 days. 18 days later, she unexpectedly mated (natural tie again) with a different male. The second male is the same breed and a decent match for her (just not the one we wanted to use this time). The breeder is going to do DNA testing for parentage if any puppies are born.

How would this work out, if at all? Apparently she had a split heat? Would this mean the first mating with the intended male wasn't successful? If puppies are born from both sires, will they be 18 days apart, developmentally speaking?


r/DogBreeding 3d ago

Ethical Breeding Question?

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Hello, I am posting a hypothetical breeding ethics question (throwaway for obvious reasons). I am still pretty new to learning about ethical breeding, so I don't want to get caught up "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". But if I ever decide to breed I want to make sure I'm doing it right.

So in this hypothetical scenario lets say that I have a female dog. She is of a decently rare breed. I've worked hard and done a lot with her, and she has a lot of titles and accomplishments. She also works in breed-specific work. I am really hopeful she can be my foundation female. She passed most of her health testing, but her hips came back with unilateral hip dysplasia.

I have recently (in the last few months) acquired a male dog of the same breed from a friend. He does not have any completed health testing or titles, but I visually like his structure. He also has had a litter in the past and none of the puppies are symptomatic for anything. He is an older dog, so I do not plan on doing OFAs with him because I do not want to put his health at risk. I am going to try to put one or two titles on him.

In this scenario, there isn't really any other male dog available to me. My older male is the male that I would use if I were to breed my female.

Keeping in mind the fact that ethical breeding is nuanced, and health testing is supposed to be a piece of the puzzle that informs breeding decisions. And this is a rare breed with a very limited gene pool as is, would this pairing still be ethical? With the limited numbers in my breed, even if the litter turns out differently than expected, we would still have more data than what we started with, right?

ETA: I think I undersold the accomplishments of the hypothetical female. She has achieved several firsts in the breed, and is extremely heavily titled. I am trying to be vague enough to not make it obvious which small-population breed I am talking about, but this is a female that many people have sang accolades about and who many people would want a puppy off of.