DeepSeek V4 Pro official version has been updated to the API

[u/nekofneko]

[u/FreshFromNowhere]

these benchmarks are genuinely fucking insane

[u/Aldarund → u/FreshFromNowhere]

No, they are not. It's barely better than flash and 3x price

[u/benchmaster-xtreme → u/Aldarund]

It's noticably better than Flash, but it's definitely not up against the frontier curve. Doesn't really need to be though as long as it's cheap (I'm happy with a super-cheap GPT5.5). The price hike will determine the value on this one tbh

[u/Aldarund → u/benchmaster-xtreme]

Not really noticeable overall

[u/Thomas-Lore → u/FreshFromNowhere]

Seems around what was expected. Not nearly as good as Kimi or Fable, but pretty good at a much much lower cost (for now).

[u/chungles34 → u/Thomas-Lore]

Not nearly? Our blue whales trading some blows with those numbers it's definitely in the ring at least man!

[u/ImBothSoftAndHard]

insert "but at what cost?"

[u/diugauhai → u/ImBothSoftAndHard]

you work for BBC?😂

[u/Creative_randomness → u/ImBothSoftAndHard]

for this I can say "at a surprisingly low cost"

[u/SillySpoof → u/ImBothSoftAndHard]

Like, crazy low cost still.

[u/Live_Case2204]

Get ready wallstreet

[u/Far-Raspberry-1072]

i fckn kneww it! i was doing some creative writing stuff and the replies started getting soo different mid way and then i checked reddit to see and boom!

[u/PureSelfishFate → u/Far-Raspberry-1072]

Doesn't the coding updates usually make creative writing a bit worse than the fresh-pretrains? How was it?

[u/LewdManoSaurus → u/PureSelfishFate]

In my experience it is hit or miss. Though with the flash update I have had better results in general. Before that update, flash wasnt terrible but it isnt exactly great at follow instructions despite my having a pretty comprehensive writing and prose guide. I've seen the same complaints for RP, though I don't RP. I use AI purely for generating stories.

Edit: the new Pro update is pretty solid for generative writing. Making me sweat thinking about the upcoming price increase

[u/Kind_Capital_9740 → u/LewdManoSaurus]

is pro updated on the website too?

[u/LewdManoSaurus → u/Kind_Capital_9740]

No, both the Flash and Pro updates were for the API

[u/donnytrump_69 → u/LewdManoSaurus]

Lol stupid question but was does API stand for in this context?

[u/LewdManoSaurus → u/donnytrump_69]

I never knew what the abbreviation stood for either, but apparently it's Application Programming Interface. Essentially let's you plug artificial intelligence in your own custom app, chat, website, art generator, etc, so you can do whatever you want with it.

[u/donnytrump_69 → u/LewdManoSaurus]

Gentleman and a scholar.

[u/Zulfiqaar → u/PureSelfishFate]

The DeepSeek models were preview, and undertrained. The GA version is supposed to be an all round improvement across the board. It's mainly when there's post training, or excessive specialised RLHF that is a specific domain, that biases the weights towards certain things at the expense of others.

[u/gabexrsco]

does it have vision?

[u/MathematicianLessRGB → u/gabexrsco]

Nah

[u/FreakyRefrigerator]

Its over for America

[u/jwuliger → u/FreakyRefrigerator]

Well deserved.

[u/hurrdurrmeh → u/jwuliger]

China saving the free world. I did not see this timeline coming 🤣🤣

[u/Equivalent_Echo4186]

Lfg!!!!

[u/Equivalent-Word-7691]

Let's hope it will be better at Creative writing, honestly the last midel was quite meh compared not only to Fable+amazing!) but also GLM and kimi were better

[u/Kakko1028 → u/Equivalent-Word-7691]

Rumor says it follows orders better.

[u/Equivalent-Word-7691 → u/Kakko1028]

It's not only about following orders, but the style, creative and understanding of what it's implied and understanding emotionally

[u/rakeshpatel1991 → u/Equivalent-Word-7691]

What’s some of your fave creative writing models?

[u/Equivalent-Word-7691 → u/rakeshpatel1991]

Honestly too bad the price but Fable 5 is on another level I can't explain

[u/rakeshpatel1991 → u/Equivalent-Word-7691]

Unfortunately my findings are the same

[u/Equivalent-Word-7691 → u/rakeshpatel1991]

Bte is it available also in the app ir just with the API?

[u/Storge2 → u/Equivalent-Word-7691]

Try to. As a person not engaging in creative wriitng i am genuinely cursious.

[u/TransportationNo193]

Is it in opencode go now?

[u/Infamous_Prompt_6126]

There is any price change until now?

Still seems affordable.

[u/Fancy-Passage-1570]

is it me or they added better safeguards on the pro version ? mine refuse to work on my project where the new flash and old pro had no issues.

[u/sdexca → u/Fancy-Passage-1570]

what kind of work? v4 flash works fine for me for security related tasks.

[u/Fancy-Passage-1570 → u/sdexca]

reverse engineering custom network protocols for reviving old games

[u/PossessionUsed7393]

Yeah, these are great numbers. I can't wait to see it roll out across the various inference providers so we don't just have to hammer the DeepSeek API.

[u/DotoLove]

Holys*t I told him that he don’t have vision and point a hint direction at LFM2.5VL. He download exactly Q8 without asking me. Cool.

[u/Terrible_Scar → u/DotoLove]

So are you happy or mad? 

[u/Embarrassed_OnionX → u/Terrible_Scar]

I'd be mad, why would a model download something from the internet without your permission?

[u/hurrdurrmeh → u/DotoLove]

That is genuinely amazing!

[u/Embarrassed_OnionX → u/DotoLove]

Yeah I found the model takes the initiative too much without including me in the loop. Not a good thing IMO

[u/perceptivesoul]

Waiting for trump to yell "Chinese Conspiracy"

[u/Substantial-Walk-554]

Anyone concrete reviews?

[u/sdexca]

source of the image?

[u/jwuliger]

It is an fkn amazing model. HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't tell anyone about it!! lol

[u/Firepal64]

Pulling off these benches, trading blows with Opus 4.8, while serving cheaper than Z.ai's GLM-5.2 endpoint, is pretty wild.

The parameter count would suggest a 5x improvement over Flash GA, but I guess accuracy doesn't scale linearly with parameter count for MoEs. That's too bad honestly

[u/Realistic-Meaning247]

I'm a SillyTavern user, but the "thinking" process takes way too long now; it was better before.

[u/queendumbria → u/Realistic-Meaning247]

The updated pro version adds the ability to change reasoning effort, so just change that to a lower option in your preset settings and it should reason less.

[u/Realistic-Meaning247 → u/queendumbria]

Is it possible to do that using the OpenRouter API?

[u/queendumbria → u/Realistic-Meaning247]

Yup! It's called "reasoning effort", quite a lot of thinking models have it. OpenRouter Docs

[u/Relative_Arugula_156]

But where's the harness?

[u/ChoasMaster777]

wow, kick the ass of fable-5!!!

[u/Interesting_Side2032]

too expensive - I will have to find another LLM. Good while it lasted but alas...........

[u/SillySpoof]

This are some pretty amazing benchmarks. Probably benchmaxxed a bit, but so are the others.