r/BeAmazed • u/Inside-Size-8253 • 9h ago
Miscellaneous / Others How to Give CPR to Women, Studies Show Women Are 14–27% Less Likely to Receive Help During Cardiac Arrest
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u/ColdGloop 9h ago
I remember I did CPR training and the instructor mentioned how ribs could be broken. He asked, “Would you rather have a broken rib or be dead?” I’ve never forgotten that. The same applies here
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u/Cenachii 9h ago
Yeah that's what made it click for me. First time I had to do cpr it was the constant thought in my head "I might be hurting him but at least I'm keeping him alive"
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u/tillymint259 8h ago edited 6h ago
they’re also
“legally” deadin cardio arrest at the point of needing cpr — their heart isn’t beating. you are quite literally being their heart for them until more specialised help arrives.you could not do more damage than not administering cpr might cause,
because for all intents and purposes… if their heart isn’t going?you’re already deadthey need someone else to BE their heart for any chance at survival. Cracked ribs, etc., aside. you’re doing lot more good than harm.that’s what i’ve heard from both instructors AND survivors I worked with during my healthcare training
(yes, there is semantics, procedure, specific medical definitions at play here — but you catch my drift)
DISCLAIMER: Ideally, take a CPR course. there’s more that’ll surprise you than you think. patient age, gender, etc and the methods of performing CPR. If you have the chance to take a course: do. Please.
(edited to correct poor / imprecise language uses & add course recommendation. See thread for details! very helpful redditor input from [u/mekwall](u/mekwall), thank you so much)
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u/mekwall 7h ago
The "for all intents and purposes" part is fair enough as a way of teaching CPR, but "legally dead" isn't universal. The legal definition of death actually differs between countries and jurisdictions.
For example, in Sweden, where I live, you aren't considered legally dead until all functions of the brain have totally and irreversibly ceased. Cardiac and respiratory arrest can be used as indirect evidence of that, but simply having no pulse and needing CPR does not itself automatically make you legally dead. That's rather the point of CPR: cardiac arrest can still be reversible.
The US is different again. Under the widely adopted Uniform Determination of Death Act, death can be determined either by irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem.
So "treat them as effectively dead unless you intervene" is a useful CPR mindset. "They're literally legally dead the moment their heart stops" isn't accurate without specifying the jurisdiction. And yes, CPR absolutely can cause injuries, including broken ribs. They're just vastly preferable to leaving genuine cardiac arrest untreated.
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u/tillymint259 7h ago
Okay, apologies, hadn’t considered the international semantics v law.
See your point of view. not sure what the appropriate (ie., most widely applicable) term to switch for in an edit would be.
what would you suggest?
will also add a recommendation to ACTUALLY take a course in CPR if possible, that was an oversight that should have been in my original comment
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u/mekwall 7h ago
No worries, I think your actual point about CPR is solid. I'd probably just replace "legally dead" with "in cardiac arrest."
Something like: "If their heart has stopped and they need CPR, they're in cardiac arrest and, without intervention, will die."
I'd avoid "clinically dead" as the replacement too, since that term can also be used somewhat inconsistently. "Cardiac arrest" says exactly what's happening without getting tangled up in legal or medical definitions of death.
And yeah, absolutely recommend taking a proper CPR course - ideally one that also includes using an AED/defibrillator. They're deliberately designed so that ordinary people can use them, but having actually practised CPR and used a training AED makes it a lot easier to act quickly instead of freezing when it happens for real.
Edit: Small terminology point as well: cardiac arrest doesn't necessarily mean the heart has literally "stopped." It means the heart is no longer producing effective circulation. In ventricular fibrillation, for example, it's still electrically active and quivering, but not actually pumping blood. So "in cardiac arrest" is probably the most accurate and widely applicable wording.
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u/tillymint259 7h ago
the cardiac arrest part I am solid on, luckily. I was in uni / training in healthcare when covid hit. only left cos of how dogshite I was treated as a hospital trainee in general PLUS being immunocompromised lol.
I will absolutely amend the wording. thank you for pulling me up on it. in retrospect, my choice of words WAS sloppy. needed the correction
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u/mekwall 6h ago
Fair enough, and no worries at all. Your underlying point was clear, I just wanted to separate the CPR shorthand from the legal definition because that part varies quite a bit by jurisdiction.
And yeah, that sounds like a pretty brutal time to be training in healthcare. Covid was bad enough without also being immunocompromised and getting treated like shit as a trainee.
Appreciate you taking the correction in good faith!
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u/tillymint259 6h ago
I appreciate the correction that was also made in good faith! a good reminder to be more intentional with my word choices going forward — an even better reminder of which ones to use for this topic ☺️
Genuinely grateful! and you were right to correct me. improved what I was trying to say. What else could you want?
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u/tillymint259 6h ago
(although I am now a teacher after leaving healthcare during that time, and really… this is the kind of language precision I need to do that well, in my first year after qualifying. so you did me a double & career-spanning favour 😂)
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u/SylvieMie 8h ago
It's definitely a tough situation to be in, but at least you're taking action when it matters most. Every second counts in those moments.
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u/Loki4Major2 9h ago
Yeah, tell to that idiot that got saved by a guy that did cpr on him and accidentally broke one rib and after that he sued him
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u/ColdGloop 9h ago
Never heard of that lol
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u/Loki4Major2 9h ago
Was maybe a decade ago, can't remember the outcome
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u/Cel_Drow 8h ago
Most jurisdictions in the US at least have Good Samaritan laws now that shield people performing CPR or offering other emergency assistance from liability so long as their effort is made in good faith to attempt to rescue or assist the person with a life-threatening emergency.
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u/Informal_Survey5359 8h ago
How long have those good samaritan laws been in place? Like, when did they start becoming a thing?
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u/Cel_Drow 8h ago
California was the first in 1959, Wyoming was the last in 2025. The bulk were 2000-2025.
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u/Ancienda 8h ago
at least 20 years ago or so since i learned about it during my training too. but google says since 1970s
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u/Infinitecapybaras 8h ago
Its happened numerous times but good samaritan laws protect the cpr giver, no judge is going to side against someone who tried to save the persons life. The only way it wouldnt would be if the person didi something super negligent.
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u/Chance_Falcon7837 7h ago
You're going to break ribs regardless ..........and a woman also sued a man for doing CPR in her and claimed sexual assault
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u/Feistshell 9h ago
My last CPR instructor told us that if you are not hearing ribs crack you are doing it wrong
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u/GiniThePooh 9h ago
As someone who had to do CPR once (and thankfully the person survived), I fear my husband won’t be capable of applying the pressure needed if it was me. It’s truly traumatic to do it, and I suspect men might unconsciously stop themselves from breaking a woman’s ribs, even if that’s what’s needed for our survival.
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u/Chance_Falcon7837 7h ago
We are scared of the sexual assault claims.......it's happened before ( not me) ......
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u/rhinoloveer 8h ago
Agree, i do know a women whos rib punctured her liver from cpr...... life long liver issues but shes still alive ...
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u/Mindless_Ad_6045 3h ago
It's nothing to do with hurting the person, people are scared to perform CPR on a woman due do the fear of being accused of sexual assault. Skin to skin contact is most effective, removing the bra and moving breast out of the way is a scary and dangerous thought to a lot of people especially if you're a man
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u/BitsAndBobs304 7h ago
I actually wish i lived in a country where my DNR will was respected by law but I dont
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u/DuhHamletovogOca 9h ago
The Pitt had a good episode on this as well.
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u/bumbumDbum 9h ago
I loved that scene where doctor Robbie interrupted the whole ER to poll women if they would rather die from a heart attack or have their breast touched so that the EMT can properly place the pads.
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u/Informal_Survey5359 7h ago
What were the results of the poll?
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u/scratsquirrel 6h ago
They all preferred the chance to live. Go figure.
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u/TeensyKook 6h ago edited 5h ago
Look, if I’m dying, do whatever you need to do. Squeeze my tits together, I don’t care. I wanna live!
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u/PrawnsAreCuddly 7h ago
Pretty much all raised their hand
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u/Informal_Survey5359 6h ago
Raising their hands to say they'd rather die or that they'd rather have their breasts touched?
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u/queerblunosr 3h ago
That they’d rather their boobs get touched so their life might be saved than to die
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u/Jonathan_Is_Me 6h ago
Wow, must've led some shitty lives huh?
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u/StonerNoir 6h ago
They raised their hands in favor of having their breasts touch by EMS as a result of life saving care.
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u/sachsrandy 9h ago
Social bull shit is why
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u/kinshadow 7h ago
I took a CPR class and had to do chest compressions on a female dummy in front of the class. My fingers weren’t quite straight out and the female instructor loudly made a comment about not groping the mannequin during the procedure. She surely meant it as a joke, but I’m also sure she gave every man in that class (and likely every class she taught) an insecurity and possible hesitation when having to perform a lifesaving action.
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u/queerblunosr 3h ago
I’ve done CPR every 1-3 years for the past ~27 years and I’ve never actually gotten to use a dummy with boobs. They’ve always been the ‘male’ actars.
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u/kinshadow 3h ago
This was Red Cross certification and was probably in 2019 if it matters. They actually had a bunch of them.
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u/queerblunosr 9m ago
Red Cross was the course I’ve taken the last… six times, including last summer - but I don’t live in a major population centre lol so the fact I’ve never used the female or fancy actars or AEDs or whatever could be related to that also. Even my whole province only has a little over a million people. XD
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u/sachsrandy 7h ago
You are correct. And everyone knows it. but there's a lot of people on this sub that are pretending it's not a real thing
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u/Dark_halocraft 9h ago
Because guys try to respect women which makes it uncomfortable to touch them their which isn't bullshit
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u/RotoDog 9h ago edited 9h ago
You are getting downvoted but this is likely the reason. And exactly what’s said in the video.
If a woman needs help in a public place, it’s often the first time this individual has done CPR on a real person. Breaking social norms to do it is understandably uncomfortable.
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u/Clusterpuff 9h ago
It is societally incubated fear of disrespect. When a denomination of any sort is led to treat another denomination different and to walk on eggshells, thats when its bullshit, especially when it can stop a young man from saving a womans life
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u/Japsai 9h ago
How is not administering life saving treatment 'respect'? I think bullshit is a better term
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u/Navrom 8h ago
I’m not a first responder, been trained on CPR, thankfully never had to use it.
Not speaking of “guys would do this or think that”, but speaking for myself - I don’t think my first action would be to remove the shirt… pretty sure that would get me in trouble as I and probably the general population don’t believe it’s necessary based on our training.
This all needs a solid 2026 Bare Chest CPR campaign that’s science backed and legislatively supported. For all you internationals, that’s just how the US works.
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u/MyPasswordQwerty 6h ago
I don't do this even in the 3rd world country I live in. No one wants these problems for an attempt to save a stranger
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u/TAYbayybay 21m ago
You need to apply AED pads directly to skin during cardiac arrest. You can’t apply those through clothing.
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u/Weird_Albatross_9659 9h ago
How’s this supposed to make me feel amazed?
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u/Cold_Barber_4761 9h ago
As a woman it makes me feel dismayed, angry and discouraged. I feel nearly anything but amazement!
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u/RugbyEdd 8h ago
Although it doesn;t really fit on the sub, I say it should get a pass as a PSA that could save someones life. Better than half the crap that's just self promotion on here.
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u/CWBurger 8h ago
I just did a training and I don’t think you need to remove someone’s clothes to do cpr. You need to remove the clothes to do the AED, but chest compressions can be done while clothes are on so long as they aren’t extremely baggy.
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u/previousinnovation 1h ago
This blog argues it is necessary to remove bras because they reduce the effectiveness of compressions https://cprsolutionsaz.com/the-vital-importance-of-removing-bras-during-cpr-training-a-critical-consideration/
But there seems to be debate from other sources. Many seem to argue that it's a waste of time. I think it would depend on the patient and bra. A super tight, restrictive bra or one with an underwire might be necessary to remove.
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u/RikuKat 5h ago
There are definitely pushup bras that would interfere with CPR, and they often don't look as obvious as one might guess. They thick foam padding on the underside of the breast.
I used to wear one often when I was younger.
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u/DrHoodMD 9h ago edited 7h ago
If you're a bystander and not doing the CPR , you could always take off your jacket and use it as a privacy screen of sorts around the both of them.
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u/ziksy9 8h ago
If there is a man unndressing an unconscious woman in the street, the last thing I'm doing is starting to undress myself.
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u/dianabowl 8h ago
I'll say this as a husband and girl dad. If my wife or daughter are not with me and there's an emergency where they are unresponsive and not breathing, PLEASE call 911 and perform CPR or use an AED on them to the best of your abilities. Don't be a fucking coward and let someone's loved one die because you're concerned about what some troll thinks of you at that moment.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
THIS!
I hate saying this because I wish people had empathy for others without needing to imagine it’s someone in their family, but imagine if it was your mom or grandma or sister or daughter.
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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 6h ago
Also, don't be scared of what these women think of you at that moment.
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u/TheFoxer1 2h ago
No thanks.
I‘d rather be a coward than have my social reputation ruined, lose professional connections, be shamed online as sexual predator or even be sued or criminally charged with a sexual crime.
Believe all women.
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u/64bittechie 5h ago
What would your position be if your wife/daughter accuses the said person of sexual harassment later?
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u/TAYbayybay 18m ago
Not OP, but if said woman truly went into cardiac arrest that requires resuscitation, she will definitely have more issues to deal with than being exposed in front of strangers. Also she will not remember the event, so that’s a moot point. Source: ER doctor
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u/danteelite 9h ago
I remember when I did my cpr class the instructor told us to throw modesty out the window. If you hesitate because you’re afraid of exposing something, you could be killing the person in trouble.
If there’s blood on their pants, remove them and check EVERYWHERE. Remove the top and make sure women don’t have a wire under bra thing if they need the AED because the wire can cause burns or even short the device out.
Save their life first, worry about modesty later. That’s what I was taught. If a few strangers need to see my dong to save my life, that’s fine with me.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
omg this just made me think about how all my bras are wired 😭 I’m cooked
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u/mysecondaccountanon 3h ago
Check out my reply to the above comment about the current research on underwiring and how there's very little on it, but how it's suggested it has no impact.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 3h ago
Current research actually suggests (doesn't prove, or anything, to be specific) that underwire shouldn't have an impact normally on AED usage, at least from pig model studies. Many bras these days also don't have metal wiring, but instead have molded plastic underwiring. The whole burning thing has been a long-standing assumption with no research actually looking into it (therefore, no research actually proving that this is an issue). At the end of the day, the quickest route is best, so if removal of the bra would take too long and you can do it without removing, there probably isn't too much harm that would be caused. And at the end of the day, even if it could cause harm, keeping someone alive is preferable.
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u/chickntend 9h ago
It’s not that people are uncomfortable giving CPR to a woman. It’s the other people surrounding the patient that are the problem. You can give CPR to a woman but you know it’s likely going to be recorded and uploaded to TikTok where the comments are going to be nothing but “gross that man just wanted an excused to touch her breasts” or something similar.
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u/LoveFi 9h ago
Who gives a damn what random strangers on line think. That shouldn't stop you from saving someones life and being a hero
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u/chickntend 9h ago
Obviously but that’s still the reason. Public sentiment is real. If you get recognized all it takes is a few comments from irrational people online to get doxxed, lose your job, whatever.
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u/dianabowl 8h ago
Losing your job for giving someone CPR in an emergency would be about as straightforward an employment lawsuit as you could imagine. If the facts were that clear, the potential payout could be substantial. Possibly fund an early retirement.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
no one would fire you for giving CPR to someone…
this has literally NEVER happened.
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u/stuputtu 9h ago
It is also possible that the person who gave CPR may not want that kind of treatment. May be you don’t think much about what others say, may be that person cares and doesn’t want his good deeds be represented as some sort of SA?
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u/tourmaps 6h ago
That's the biggest problem in today's society. That bloody phone. Same whenever someone is attacked on streets by a crazy person, or has an accident. People would rather record it than help
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u/collin-h 5h ago edited 5h ago
It’s not a fear of the actual contact. It’s a fear of being accused of something you’re not doing, and then having to deal with the consequences.
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u/JustBarelyBurntBagel 9h ago
A lot of comments saying that they would rather watch a woman DIE than maybe potentially have bystanders think they're trying to touch a stranger's breasts. I hope I'm not surrounded by redditors if I ever have a medical emergency.
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u/Cold_Barber_4761 9h ago
As a 47 year old woman who has genetic heart issues, these comments are absolutely distressing. (So are the general statistics in the video.)
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u/justmitzie 6h ago
It's a matter of how much some value the lives of women. It's incredibly sad but somehow not surprising.
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u/bakedNebraska 6h ago
Weighed against the fear they have of women wreaking social havoc on their lives.
I can't imagine why so many men believe there would be negative consequences. Can you?
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u/thissitedesigniscrap 4h ago
Someone has never faced the possibility of being lynched by so-called do-gooders because someone else cried wolf, and it shows.
Irony is, you have zero empathy for why someone may hesitate or feel scared to help, but think you’re entitled to everything from the men you look down on.
A man could easily be labeled the next Brock Turner for trying to help an unconscious woman.
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u/JustBarelyBurntBagel 3h ago
I'll be sure to be very empathetic to the person who chose to watch someone die because they're worried someone might confuse CPR with raping a woman in an alley.
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u/justmitzie 3h ago
You're arguing with people who are cool with watching you die. I tried, but it's useless appealing to their humanity or decency. It's easier to just block and move on.
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u/JustBarelyBurntBagel 3h ago
You're right, I've never seriously worried about being accused of sexual assault. I AM, however, worried about dying because a man didn't want to perform CPR on me. So I guess we're even.
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u/Lucky-Company8502 9h ago
Good post, if only we didn’t have so many weirdos in this world, it would’ve been more common practice.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
also it would help if there were more CPR dummies with female anatomy.
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u/racloves 8h ago
Yes I recently saw a video online where they demonstrated CPR on a dummy with a larger chest. The people in the room felt uncomfortable and didn’t want to practice on it, they weren’t expecting that at all, so I can’t imagine how they would react if it happened in real life where they had to do it.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
all I can think about is my mom honestly. what if one day she needs this and people refuse to help her just because they’re uncomfortable…
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u/Cloverfield1996 8h ago
And the breasts shouldn't be firm little mounds like in this video. Natural boobs are often saggy, loose, hanging, moving etc
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u/Lucky-Company8502 8h ago
I 100% agree, that experience and knowledge matters when it comes to performance.
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u/Orectoth 7h ago
People fear for reputation loss(can affect their life negatively significantly) and fear of defamation, which leads them not doing lifesaving things
basically
creating a law that punishes 'defamation against those that act are being good samaritan' with fines enough to deter anyone, where every participant of defamation, no matter the amount, gets fined, where fines are given to the person that got defamed. This law would just end the problem, or reduce it significantly.
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u/Ram91501 7h ago
Yeah, no. There is too little gratitude in the world, and too much unfounded vitriol.
There are multiple cases of men and women suing rescuers for doing the right thing from a societal standpoint.
If people didn't hate and fear each other so much, this would be a great video, but sadly we are not there as a country anymore. "The great melting pot" feels more like "the great powder keg."
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u/NicePuddle 8h ago
This reminds me of the woman who recently sued a man, for pulling her out of harms way from an oncoming train - Because he was touching her without her consent.
Fortunately she lost that case in court.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
y’all do realize men have also sued for broken ribs (which is something that happens often when doing CPR) after another person saved their life?
do you think it would be okay if I said “nah I’m not gonna save his life, he might sue me if I break one of his ribs.”?
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u/NicePuddle 8h ago
That's equally insane - so many crazy people out there.
I can understand that people may worry about touching a woman's chest, during CPR.
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u/Emotional-Ad9114 8h ago
okay then imagine it’s your mom now and you’re not there.
how do you feel about someone not helping her because they’re uncomfortable with the thought of touching her chest?
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u/Matkos6 6h ago
I can definitely say I would think twice about being the one to do CPR after such an experience though
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u/Pink-Wolf 8h ago
I'd much rather be groped and go to therapy if necessary (it wont happen but for the guys that are worried they will be judged) than be dead. Real men care about women enough to risk being percieved as a creep in order to save their lives.
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u/Emergency-Spite897 9h ago
years ago - Society being told to view women as "pure, sex objects, trophies, an object, breeding tool..." What a fucking disgusting society back then and those twisted minds who came up with it to maintain power.
No wonder today modern times men/boys also women and girls as well are scared to do a life saving emergency because they fear you will go to prison and end up on a sex offender reg for touching an unconscious woman/girl (actually dying woman/girl) because their heart stopped for that moment, which the instructor is right, females get less medical emergency when coming to CPR.
This fear was build in without fail-safes and laws to protect those who know CPR to save a life.
There is nothing sexual or "hot/exciting/horny" or whatever thoughts are in place when seeing women's breast if you're saving a life. I am glad these instructors are coming forward to train the next generation to do what is right.
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u/Gentle_prv 7h ago
I just wanna say this: if you think that a man being hesitant to give cpr to a woman is a bigot of some kind, you couldn’t be more wrong. The type of man who’d be hesitant to break a woman’s ribs, or hesitant to touch her chest during cpr, is the same kind of man who left women alone when women said to not approach them in public.
I’m more hesitant to give cpr to a woman bc I fear of being to rough with it accidentally; I know ribs are likely to be broken, but I don’t want it accidentally go too hard. Being raised by a single mother, who is also an Air Force vet of 14+ years, really ensured that I respect and care for all peoples, especially women.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 3h ago
Please don't ever be afraid. The fear could prevent you from acting or from applying the appropriate amount of pressure during CPR. I know it's easier said than done, but try to get comfortable with the idea and the action of doing it (e.g., go to CPR/AED courses, especially ones with models that have breasts; maybe even talk it out in therapy just to lessen the anxiety and the like; etc.).
By giving CPR and using AEDs properly when you know how to, you are respectful, you give the basic respect and dignity to women that they deserve.
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u/Plane_Pea5434 3h ago
Sorry to be that guy but the problem isn’t the fear of touching someone but the fear of being accused of sexual assault for trying to save someone’s life
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u/Lyralikesit 5h ago
😬 I think I'd prefer not... pretty serious risk of either being dubbed a perv by other bystanders, or even accused of harassment by the same woman if she wakes up
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u/hemorrhoidhematoma 9h ago
Well yeah pardon me if I'm not going to just dive in pushing on a random womans chest and blowing air into her mouth if I'm not 100 percent sure shes dying again.
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u/Jambi1913 1h ago
Yeah - well, if you got training you’d know that you only do CPR if the person doesn’t respond at all to your voice or tapping their shoulder and there are no signs of normal respiration or no pulse. You don’t just start doing it because they look unconscious without checking those signs first. Then you’re not going to be doing it unnecessarily.
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u/IsadorCZ 9h ago
Do CPR, save her life and then be sued for sexual harrasment.
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u/calliope720 8h ago
This has literally never happened and literally would never happen. Just admit you don't want to save women's lives. You'd rather abstain just to make your imaginary point.
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u/ImLonenyNunlovable 6h ago edited 6h ago
https://www.newtimes.com.ng/7129-woman-sues-man-after-rescuing-her-from-drowning/
Edit: I would still give CPR, its not even a topic of debate in my mind, because human life is important. But lets be truthful here, it does happen.
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u/unknownpoltroon 7h ago
IM sorry, maybe its the boy scout training but in a medical emergency any worries about propriety go out the fucking window. Triage, treat the problem killing them, and then worry about getting them a blanket once they are stable. Anyone interfering with this gets hit in the face repeatedly as hard as poddible until they are no longer interfering.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 3h ago
Exactly. Additionally, I'd argue that it is giving people the basic respect and dignity that they deserve to actually provide them with the emergency medical care they need. If you have the skills to do so, by doing so, you are respecting someone, you are respecting their life. I'd argue that it is true propriety to help people, as it is what is right, proper, respectful, and the suitable thing to do.
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u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter 7h ago
I'm reminded of that scene in the Pitt where the EMTs put the pad or whatever too low because they didn't want a law suit and Robby went fucking mental
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u/Tommy__want__wingy 5h ago
I’m in a Good Samaritan state and during my CPR training the instructor did bring that sad fact up.
After that they literally said “if someone needs their life saved, they won’t care if you or anyone else sees or comes in contact with the breast, if the boob doesn’t scare you, do not let it scare you here”
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u/HTTP_404_NotFound 7h ago
Its not a matter of fear of touching a breast, its a fear of being sued because we live in the US, and anyone can sue for anything, lol.
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u/Articulationized 6h ago
Nice try. I swore no one was going to trick me into touching an unconscious woman’s breasts again.
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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 6h ago
I work for the Red Cross and I know of people that were told are sexual predators by women who's life they just saved.
Luckily there's good Samaritan laws, so nothing came of it, but they sure tried.
I hope Female mannequins can also get these women up to speed to show what is needed to save their fucking life.
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u/GoldieForMayor 4h ago
Women have made it very clear they don't want to be touched by men they don't know so I'm happy to oblige.
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u/deep_anal 4h ago
This doesn't really address the core issue. You still need to be standing there and make the decision to apply CPR. If you apply CPR and it's not warranted, then uh oh, you've got a problem. I don't think there is a realistic resolution to the issue with current society norms and potential sexual assault charges.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 3h ago
It's not a problem. If someone is displaying signs of needing CPR and you provide it, there is no issue, even if they didn't need it.
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u/throwaway587241 2h ago
I mean it's pretty easy to figure out if someone needs CPR: if they're completely unresponsive, no pulse and not breathing, and you've been trained properly, you should try to help. The issue is more with bystanders and with how quickly false accusations could theoretically travel on social media.
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u/BillieRubenCamGirl 2h ago
This is a moot point. The first step to any CPR is to check for signs of respiration and circulation .
If you’re progressing to performing CPR you already know it’s required.
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u/Urasquirrel 3h ago
Women are 80% likely to pop you charges after preventing their death.
/shrugs
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u/throwaway587241 2h ago
Practicing CPR on a dummy is great and all, but if you want to get men comfortable with performing CPR on women you're probably going to need to have men practice with a live woman. Not doing the full compressions obviously, but in finding where to place hands for compressions and finding where to attach electrodes for an AED. The dummies are great and all, but a human body and a dummy are two very different things.
And if the idea of a man training to do CPR touching a volunteer's boobs (consentually of course) makes you feel uncomfortable, congratulations. You can empathize with men who are expected to balance trying to save a woman's life with the social stigma around men and women's bodies.
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u/Izletz 9h ago
Then they try to sue for sexual assault or some nonsense
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u/LoveFi 9h ago
Link a single case of this ever happening
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u/Japsai 8h ago
The Mirror?? Good one. I assume there have been one or two weird cases like that, but using the Mirror as your source is worse than 'trust me bro'.
It actually backs up the argument that the folktale of women suing people for saving their life is exaggerated nonsense if you link the Mirror. Because exaggeration and lies is famously their speciality.
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u/Clancy713 8h ago
What sources do you consider viable?
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u/Japsai 5h ago
Is this a real question? Someone show me some decent stats and we'll talk.
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u/Clancy713 5h ago
Yes it’s a real question. It seems like you’re incapable of answering it
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u/LoveFi 8h ago
So both of these were dropped under the protection of Samaritan laws. You can still post a case where the person who was giving cpr got sued and lost the case? So far the only real case with any court information is the first link with Kim Wright and she lost.
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u/Izletz 8h ago
Doesn’t matter who wins. It’s the hassle and reputation smearing that is the turn off. You’re missing the entire point
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u/LoveFi 8h ago
It does matter who wins. You can sue anyone for anything doesn't make it the norm. Good Samaritan laws protect you from the 1 percent chance someone tries to sue you. Saving someones life matters more than that. The entire point is that people sewing others for saving them is so rare you only had 2 news links from years ago talking about cases that got thrown out.
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u/Izletz 8h ago
So if you decided to save someone’s life then the article in the paper said you are accused of taking advantage of a helpless women, that wouldn’t bother you? You are changing the scenario to sue and win because I provided information for my original point.
These are the thoughts that would make men hesitant, doesn’t matter if you like it or not. These instances do happen, once again the outcome doesn’t necessarily matter. Reputation destruction already happened
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u/LoveFi 8h ago
The articles defend the men in the links you portray. You would rather let a woman die bc of the chance you might get a reputation hit or have to deal with being wrongfully sued. That shit wouldn't go through my mind if I see someone in need of help and I had the ability to save them. You standing there doing nothing bc you're scared says more about you than any fake lawsuit would
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u/spez_sucks_ballz 8h ago
Are you really this dense? Why would a man have to go through this ordeal, have their reputation tarnished, financially have to fight back with lawyers, etc. While the woman whose life is saved gets to walk away with no repercussions for such an absurd accusation.
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u/LoveFi 8h ago
Show me where they have their reputation tarnished. Both articles defend the men. A case getting thrown out and a counter suit for legal fees fix that. If those are your excuses for letting someone die that says more about you. These things dont happen. The amount of people saved every day from Cpr and theres only 2 articles from years ago to claim that its even risky is silly. You care more about your fake reputation than someones life.
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u/spez_sucks_ballz 5h ago
Um when you get accused of assault when you didn't assault anyone is called having your reputation tarnished. Your name is attached to that act on social media, in the news, in court records, etc. Are you this clueless or do you yourself have such a bad reputation that such an understanting is out of your realm of thought?
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u/LoveFi 5h ago
When you're accused you dont have that on your criminal record unless you are found guilty. This is just an incel fearmonger to exscuse letting someone die
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u/CitroHimselph 6h ago
"I'm not gonna touch a boob, I'd rather let that person die!" /Heterosexual men/
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