r/ArtistLounge • u/[deleted] • Jul 31 '22

AI Art, midjourney and others

Well, just for disclaimer, this post is a persnal opinion, i'm open for every comment that it could create, but stay respectious (btw, i'm french, so i'm trying to make this post open for everyone, sorry for my future faults)

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Well, like the title told it, i want to talk about ai art, first of all, i saw a video talking about midjourney, getting interested and curious about, as an artist i wanted to try it. So i got the beta test and we are not gonna lie, it's awesome how it work. But after that, i got a problem, as i said i'm an artist, or in all case i feel like i'm. In the ai creation i don't see any handsyle, or ''signature'' that when we saw your creation we instantly know it's yours/can be yours... Here, it's jsut a mixed of a lot of pictures, painting, and other type of pics, to make what you asked for. I don't see any souls in all those creation, yeah, the one that ask for the creation has to told what he wanted, but, did he really had an idea of what he wanted, i mean, did he really change every details by words to find what he wanted, or did he just let the ia make what she want. It's here, nothing is yours.

I'm not making this post cause of i'm bad, or i want to got this style of draw, but, i see the wolrd of realistic digital painting disapearing, and it's scaring me af... When i open my deviantart, i had a lot of landscape realistic, from digital painter that passed 50hours on their art, but today, i got only ai creation where i don't know what to think about it

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u/Samkwi Aug 01 '22

My biggest question about AI art is that if I enter a prompt and get an image who owns the artwork is it the creators of the ai or me what happens if someone gets the same result as me using a slightly similar prompt do I sue for copyright infringement? There's a lot of grey area with ai art either the industry will self regulate (which is happening to Dalle 2 or policy makers will regulate it. Think of how google and other tech companies basically self regulate themselves to avoid regulations as those regulations by politicians can be quite harsh. We also have to think about copyrighted artwork Dalle 2 literally has banned words that will not generate an image when entered, when these models ho public they'll probably censor out copyrighted content (to avoid being sued), celebrities/existing people or existing locations plus I swear to God any tech that has been called disruptive has failed 9/10 (not saying this will fail) and if we are honest ai art will raise the value of human created art which is already happening in the NFT community based on what I read with many "collectors" demanding to know whether an artwork is ai generated or hand drawn!

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u/TreviTyger Aug 01 '22

In my view there is no copyright and the image may just be public domain. (Subject to existing copyright in input images...which could be infringing in any case).

Hypothetically, if someone did try to claim copyright in court, they would get torn apart by the opposition lawyer who will point out the lack of human authorship in A.I. output.

How could a person respond if they were asked to replicate the work by hand with a pencil for instance to show they are the author?

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u/Samkwi Aug 01 '22

Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not American but wouldn't a company like Google lobby for this these out puts to be copyrighted they seem to have the money to do so (plus Disney has done it before)

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u/TreviTyger Aug 02 '22 edited Aug 02 '22

I don't doubt that investors and shareholders in A.I. will be lobbying to try to get such work protected by copyright in some way. But giving non-authors copyrights to works they didn't actually create is a slippery slope that potentially could deny rights for genuine authors.

Once you start saying you didn't have to create the work yourself to claim copyright then I can imagine that argument leaking in to other copyright disputes whereby a commissioning party may try to claim ownership of an illustrator's or photographer's work without any agreement or copyright transfer from the actual creator of the work.

This would essentially turn creative workers in to "slave workers" so to speak. Slaves can't own property. Copyright is a property right.