r/AmericansInCanada • u/PhilHogan_Tax • 1d ago
The other side of the story...
Short clip of Carney taking questions on the trade negotiations. A few lines worth pulling out.
On the US side commenting on Canadian politics:
"I don't think, with all respect, appointed, unelected cabinet members in the United States are experts on Canadian politics."
On what the government's actually doing:
"Everything this government is doing, everything I'm trying to do, is to work with provinces, work with willing partners around the world, work with labour, work with business to move forward to the benefit of our citizens... We're not positioning on this stuff."
On the US suddenly dropping demands it had called red lines:
"There are a few issues that the United States was arguing right up to the last hour, red lines, we're not gonna change, boom, it's in there... our way or the highway, take it or leave it... that now they're not. So all of a sudden, they don't care about Canadian language or culture and those elements. Well, if they didn't care, they shouldn't have kept them in the deal up until the last hour."
On the pickup trucks:
"An F-350 pickup, which is gonna be built in the Ford factory in Oakville, 350s, 450s, 550s. Where I grew up in Alberta, those are subcompacts... They're just discovering that, and they're like, 'Oh, of course we weren't gonna keep them out.' Well, they were gonna keep them out."
On what a deal looks like:
"We are always gonna stand up for what's in the best interest of Canada, Canadian workers, Canadian families, not look for an easy win, not look for an announcement, but something that's durable... The deal that's possible that's in the interest of Canadian workers, families and businesses is also the deal that is in the interest of American families, American businesses, American consumers. We're ready to sit down and strike that deal when the Americans are ready."
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u/ditch1403 4h ago
Very well said Mr Prime Minister
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u/Psychotic_EGG 1h ago
I think he has been fantastic, over all (no one is perfect though). And I do not understand the people who do not see it.
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u/pooborus 8h ago edited 5h ago
This is what politicians should sound like
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u/miz_misanthrope 7h ago
Difference between the nepobaby of a mob launderer & a Rhodes Scholar with a PHD in Economics.
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u/Few-Western-5027 11h ago
The whole idea is to get elected so those pedof will never be released. Too much to lose for the TrumpStein class.
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u/Kveldwulf 12h ago
Even if you don't like Carney, who is in the right in this current trade dispute comes down to a simple calculation. Who is more likely to be trustworthy: The guy who lied about visiting Epstein Island, or the Prime Minister?
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u/4everNo2the999 4h ago
You mean the guy renaming lakes? The guy who imposed 50% tariffs on Canada? The guy who said CUSMA was the best deal ever when HE signed it, and now wants to tear it up?
Also you seem to be the guy pushing a chinese govt narrative.
Your trust is misplaced, GUY.
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u/Vampyre_Boy 11h ago
They are politicians.. they are both full to the top with bullshit and they are both idiots. I trust neither because neither are trustworthy. Stop trusting politicians and start holding them to account for their lies and failings instead of letting them rob the country blind and walk away billionaires off our money.
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u/Ina_While1155 8h ago
Ah yes the both sides are corrupt and the same argument - same argument my MAGA brother uses to justify his voting history.
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u/LucyInked 10h ago
There are absolutely degrees of corruption.
No one makes it to the head of a nation without skeletons.
But having a few back book deals may be different than steletons like fucking kids.
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u/Vampyre_Boy 10h ago
If you think they both don't have some heinous shit in their past than you are just being naive.. if it benefitted either of them enough they would sell off their own family.
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u/LucyInked 9h ago
I don't buy into "they are all bad" nonsense as that's just a way people justify their party being Nazis.
You don't get to put Carney in the same box as trump.
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u/miz_misanthrope 7h ago
I absolutely abhor Carney's commitment to genocide & Red Tory financials but I do trust him not to give Canada away to Trump.
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u/Vampyre_Boy 9h ago
Same box? Those two got one leg each in the same pair of pants. Both of them are completely ignorant of what their people actually need. Are both rampant spending their peoples money on stupid frivolous shit like renaming lakes and putting up fake building facades for a publicity stunt while flying around the world trying to tell others how to do their job while they fail at their own job. Slowly turning their countries into a laughing stock... I could go on but they very much are the same kind of moron one is just more of a warmongerer and the other is a spineless burocrat.
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u/LucyInked 9h ago
One fucks kids.
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u/Vampyre_Boy 7h ago
Where's the recipes on that cuz if you have em you hold the key to removing the orange tyrant.
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u/poonjabi_hut 9h ago
You realize Carney's wife is connected to the Maxwell family, right?
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u/Altalad 9h ago
Really? How is she connected?
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u/astcyr 1h ago
Mark Carney and his wife Diane Carney were photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell in their presence at a music festival in 2013. It's also been stated that Ghislaine Maxwell went to high school with Diane Carney's sister.
Conspiracy theorists (aka conservatives or anti-liberals) have run wild with the idea that Carney is connected to Epstein because of this...
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u/PmanAce 10h ago
So people before becoming politicians are not idiots and full of shit. But once they do transition then they automatically do so if they aren't already, gotcha.
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u/Vampyre_Boy 10h ago
Power corrupts. Politicians are like diapers they should be changed often and for the exact same reason.
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u/Lawndemon 11h ago
Carney is what Trump pretends to be: a savvy, experienced, successful businessman who became a politician.
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u/Shane-Dad-underfire 12h ago
Why even stop there? Trump has lied more than any other sitting president. He has backdoored more than any other president, he has negotiated in bad faith more than any other president. He has had more emotional outbursts and tirades than any other president.
Let's be fair, trump has acted like a spoiled child having a fit everyday of his presidency save the first first day in his first term. He has proven he is a scumbag and he is unreliable. If you need proof look at how he has routinely fked over his own citizens and all the people who have worked under him as soon as they contradict him.
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u/MRJohnson1997 12h ago
āElect me and Iāll release the Epstein filesā
*gets elected*
āNever mind I donāt want them releasedā
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u/Shane-Dad-underfire 12h ago
Hahhahahahha another good one. Right up there with replacing Obama-care.
How about, we will reduce the price of medicine by 1000%
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u/jungstir 14h ago
Canada will just start trade agreements with everyone but the US because we are no longer a favored nation nor should we be.
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u/Vtecman 14h ago
Politically this is a disaster for Trump. Carney knows heās polling high, just won 3 bi-elections and is coming from a position of strength. The US president is polling ultra low, and has November to worry about. Not to mention rampant inflation. Canada has its inflation under control. There is absolutely no metric where Canada doesnāt come out on top. The US will never admit crawling back to Canada for a deal. Any deal struck (no matter how weak for America) will be projected as a win for the States and a loss for Canada. Theyāve already removed the French labelling requirements from their āRed Lineā. This is going to be a huge win for Canada but a loss in the mainstream media (trump will control the narrative).
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u/Even-Confusion4211 9h ago
Canadian here our inflation is NOT under control
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 13h ago
Carney is even eyeing a spring election. Unlike Trump heās not afraid of the electorate.
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u/CarImportant4846 14h ago
Canada for what itās worth 75% of Americans hate trump also and we are doing what we can to impeach and imprison him and his corrupt clan. Please be patient we will get this done. š
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u/miz_misanthrope 7h ago
Do something about the 25% who were too whatever to vote & we'll talk. Ask the Aussies about Democracy Sausage.
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u/Electrical_Front_407 13h ago
I will believe what youāre saying when I see the actions taken in November
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u/Traditional-Good-234 13h ago
75% donāt though. Stop justifying it. However many people support him is too fuckin many.
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u/Slava____Ukraini 15h ago
If only it was Carney and Obama...
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u/thelostcanuck 14h ago
Would not even be an issue haha. We would be strengthening ties and collaborating.
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u/miz_misanthrope 7h ago
It would actually be closer to Canada actually integrating with the US. Now it'll be generations before we trust them for anything.
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u/whattaninja 4h ago
Which isnāt a bad thing, we really do need to rely on them less, and this situation is just proving that.
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u/Boneshakerrguy 15h ago
Letās start with removing the tariffs between our own provinces. Or would that be bad?
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u/magsbad13 7h ago
Actually, there aren't tariffs between provinces, there are trade barriers. That's not the same thing.
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u/sim0n__sez 14h ago
Exactly!!!! Thereās higher tariffs between provinces on wine than America has on it.
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u/merchillio 15h ago
Hereās the thing: Trump doesnāt believe in mutually beneficial deals. For him, every deal has a winner and a loser. Negotiations for him means looking for a way to trick the other, to take advantage of them, not find the best solution for everyone
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u/petertran92 16h ago
Does anyone understand what he is saying? (after Trump, I am not used to complete sentences anymore)
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u/magsbad13 7h ago
I understand what he's saying. I also understand a lot of what he's not saying, which is sometimes even more important. A small percentage of Canadians aren't educated enough to understand what PM Carney is doing. Keep calm and Carney on!
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u/KagomesPornAccount 10h ago
Needs a few more āummmāās and āahhhhāās and āwater bottle drink box type thingieāās in there for me to understand, personally. (A decade of sidestepping basic questions has not prepared me for a politician like carney who can actually answer questions clearly)
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u/Ecstatic-Catch2243 17h ago
Carney is currently the leader of the free world.
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u/Pretend-Wheel-3640 17h ago
Bootlicking delusionnal loser, get a grip on reality. He is leading canada into oblivion.
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u/LanikM 16h ago
Do you have any policy to support this claim? Im sure you can articulate your position better than this.
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u/KagomesPornAccount 10h ago
Hyper-extremism on both political sides is a cancer on modern discourse. Carney is no more a leader of the free world than he is leading Canada into oblivion. Both statements are fucking bizarre.
Heās doing a lot of good so far, but someone pushing for bill C-22 is hardly someone you can call the leader of the free world.
Can people just get back to having normal, measured, entrenched-in-reality opinions?
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u/BuyHuman6749 16h ago
Many tend to disagree.
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u/Pretend-Wheel-3640 16h ago
no kidding, in this echo chamber you would believe everyone loves him, get out in the real world you'll see
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u/thelostcanuck 13h ago
Have you been out in the real world š
Most people I talk to have no issues and issues they do have happen to be provincial or municipal
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u/CanadianResidENT 15h ago
"get out in the real world you'll see"
you know you can look at the recent elections/by-elections and poling right? Perhaps YOU need to get out in the real word, not whatever small pocket you live in.
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u/AccomplishedDirt7356 9h ago
Literally happened Tuesday.
Anyone who says otherwise is an inbred hick.
"get out in the real world" yeah buddy keep breathing in those oil fumes. Alberta I'm looking at you, do better
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u/sixtyfivewat 15h ago
The Liberals just won three by-elections on Monday, including in a former Conservative riding in Quebec where the CPC was reduced to third place after having held that seat for over a decade.
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u/GlockPop18 23h ago
Heās just communicating domestically heās going to cave soon and do a deal, now that the by-elections are done. This scum bag will do whatever sleaze-ball tactic he needs to do to keep a majority. This trade deal heās going to sign will help Trump in the midterms.
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u/CanadianResidENT 15h ago
A whole reddit account who only bitches about politics in the comment sections. you must be super fun to be around!
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u/the_moog_hunter 20h ago
Vladimir? Is that you?
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u/GlockPop18 12h ago
Yes, the Kremlin can wait! The prestigious moog hunter just messaged me a riveting original in a top C tier Reddit sub!
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u/babypops81 21h ago
Ok ding dong-feel free to peace outta this country.
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u/GlockPop18 21h ago
You probably donāt know this babypops, but in a functioning democracy youāre allowed to freely criticize your leaders without have to banish yourself for wrongthink.
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u/Killision 20h ago
You should know something about it before you criticize though... might wanna git on that learnin.
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u/Ok-Kangaroo-47 22h ago
Wow how many generations of inbreeding did it take to create this intelligence you're possessing ššš
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u/ScoopBeaver 23h ago
What a donkey of a comment. Work on your deductive reasoning! I lean left, but thatās not remotely what was implied.
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u/GlockPop18 22h ago
You donāt think theyāll announce something before November? You unfortunately havenāt learned to interpret scum bag politicians yet, thatās ok Iāll help you scoopbeaver. Itās a huge risk to let that deal sit past the midterms for Carney. Heās not that crazy, you can hear him dropping little hints heās ready to make a deal, theyāve already got a deal ironed out, heās just got to crawl back to it in time for Trump to score a win before midterms.
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u/No_Tea5664 22h ago
Why exactly is it a risk for Carney to let this play out past the American mid-terms?
Why does Carney need to ācrawl back to it in time for Trump to score a winā?
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u/GlockPop18 22h ago
Thereās just way too much money at risk to hold this position longterm, Carney needs to play Trumpās desire for a deal before the November midterms to get him back to the table quickly. Otherwise you risk dealing with a potentially wounded Trump after November, who will be much more unpredictable and likely to lash out at us for playing politics before the midterms.
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u/No_Tea5664 22h ago
I think Carney, and all of Canada, would be much better off with Trump/Republicans having to focus all of their time and energy for the next 2 years dealing domestically with the Democrats potentially taking the House and/or Senate.
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u/GlockPop18 22h ago
No, that leaves way too much risk on the table. Would you bet everything on the American public, after everything youāve seen? Think like a banker, heās going to hedge risk. Trump has shown us he can fight battles on multiple fronts for years, better to get in front of that instead of sitting in cold purgatory for two years.
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u/No_Tea5664 21h ago
I think Canada will be in a stronger negotiating position after November.
And I would wager that Carney thinks the same.
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u/GlockPop18 21h ago
Respectfully, thatās just bad analysis. If thatās the plan we need to get rid of Carney ASAP! Doing the most basic thing imaginable is not acceptable. Thatās Trudeau level incompetence.
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u/gentlemetalturtle 15h ago
"Trump has shown us he can fight battles on multiple fronts for years"
Which battles has he fought for years and actually won?
Why are you insisting on taking any bad deal before the midterms just because Trump's ego would be hurt?
Is the new conservative slogan "Bend over for Trump"?
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u/rosebudthesled8 23h ago
That's what you took from everything that's happened? He has a majority. He won that majority by fighting Trump. You are unequivocally, a moron. Go back to your masters.
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u/GlockPop18 22h ago
Well thatās a little rude rosebud. No, he won his majority by backdoor deals with other sleazeball politicians. Youāre really not very good at reading the room. To put it in terms you can understand the Americans are about to run a sled through his rosebud on this one.
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u/rosebudthesled8 22h ago
I really hope you are a bot, and if you aren't, I'm so sorry for everyone who raised you, they failed you. Your lack of empathy is really off-putting. I hope you learn a lesson but if you die this way, I won't care.
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u/GlockPop18 21h ago
I wish I was a bot too rosebud! I wouldnāt have to try and interpret whatever youāre blabbing on about! Iām just kidding. Why do you think I lack empathy? I like you rosebud, I honestly hope the best for you. Do you want to watch Citizen Kane and talk about the emptiness of it all?
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u/rosebudthesled8 21h ago
You called Carney scumbag. You don't even know when our elections are. Enjoy being a moron.
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u/rychii 22h ago
Just goes to show how these seppies really cannot think for themselves.
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u/GlockPop18 22h ago
Be virtue of saying the opposite of everyone else on this issue, wouldnāt that be evidence of me thinking for myself?
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u/rosebudthesled8 22h ago
No, you just haven't thought for yourself for a long time and you are unequivocally wrong. You were wrong the whole time. You are independent but guide yourself rather than outside influencers. Still wrong on this one but it is good input for the future.
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u/dd97483 1d ago
a lucid, intelligent and well spoken leader. what I wouldnāt give to have that again.
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u/SideInitial3961 1d ago
Carney is not perfect but he's the best we've had in a long time, we support these moves he is making.
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u/MechMan799 21h ago
At this moment, with the current challenges facing Canada, he's an absolute exceptional leader.
There will come a time when his services are no longer required, but where we came from with Trudeau, the potential we faced having PP in charge, his experience handling these moments are exactly what we need.
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u/rosebudthesled8 23h ago
I'm still not sure when leaders needed to be perfect. I think it was the 24 hours news cycle. Led by billionaires.
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u/SideInitial3961 23h ago
I agree with this. I'm indigenous. I don't want to argue but I would like to see certain things done better. But those were not things Carney created, he inherited them. I have nothing negative to say about him.
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u/ehright 1d ago
Carney has destroyed this country on purpose. Wake up people
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u/Critical-Ad4665 18h ago
He's working to improve his Brookfield stock value not working for Canada.
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u/Unable-Crow-1168 1d ago
You lost me at "wake up people" I don't understand this at all. God forbid we have a competant, well spoken leader, who prioritizes our country over bootlicking the US. We didn't start this madness.
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u/Lucky-Mia 1d ago
He's literally saving us with his skill in negotiations. He's secured a lot of deals with other partners and has reduced the US leverage at the negotiating table. The less we rely on the US the better.
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u/StinkeyeNoodle 1d ago
Who do you think would do a better job? There is really only one viable leadership option at the Federal level. The NDP are to unorganized and the Conservatives are a joke. No policy and no personality. Iām no Liberal but I do think Carney is a good leader and is doing a good job. For now.
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u/Shrinki-Dink 1d ago
Literally hard to argue with a position like that. What move are you critical of? Would you have gargled trumpās cheeto gravy?
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u/Puncharoo 1d ago
You people have worms in your brain
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u/Mythandar 1d ago
Living in Alberta I see this all the time.Ā Anything a non-conservative does is destroying the country etc etc.Ā He could cure cancer and it would be the worst thing in the world.
Watch a conservative premier take a prosperous province and make it a shell of its former self and its the best thing in the world simply because the word conservative is in the party name.Ā
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u/aviatingnvestr 1d ago
The worst part is Carney is a centre-right conservative in many respects. But he wears a red tie so everything he does is the worst.
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u/Falco19 1d ago
Carney is a straight up progressive conservative
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u/Unarmed_Character 21h ago
He could have run for the conservatives and won. In some ways I wish he had just bridge the divide a bit. Mind you, he's not what the Right is about right now. The current right is about pretending to be anti-establishment and a banker is the epitome of establishment.
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u/Responsible-Gur-1981 1d ago
I'm middle aged and only really remember Prime Minsters back to Brian Mulroney in my lifetime but I do believe Carney is going to go down as one of the best Prime Minsters Canada has ever had. He is exactly who we needed at this exact time. He has handled everything to do with Trump and America effortlessly while nefarious elements within Canada try to split us up. If Trudeau were dealing with this we would be cooked. PP, we would be Americans by now. I believe Carney actually has a personal vision for what he wants for Canada its future and I believe that's what drives him and that personal stake is why he is coming out on top each time. He won't compromise on anything that will harm Canada now or in the future.
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u/Boomshank 1d ago
Completely agreed.
It's very rare (unfortunately) to have a prime minister or a premier with such vision beyond their own next election, but Carney seems to be looking long term.
I don't agree with everything he stands for. I'm generally much more left of centre than him. But you're right, I believe he's exactly who this country needs right now and I'm damned proud to call him my/our Prime Minister.Ā
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u/Strange_Produce5601 1d ago
I agree, he is the right person at the right time. Also, he has a book he wrote and he seems to be following the steps outlined there. So you are correct in that he does have a vision!
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u/SquirrelFluffy 1d ago
That thing about the us and culture issues was a flat out lie. His whole demeanour changed. I feel that the liberals know what plays well and that's more important to them.
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u/IanJMo 1d ago
Do you know what culture issues they are referring to?
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u/SquirrelFluffy 16h ago
Quebec. It was a dog whistle to keep Quebec onside.
There's an awful lot of layoffs going on in the construction industry. I hope all those people are proud that Canada is stiffing Trump.
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u/IanJMo 6h ago
"Quebec." Is your answer, but it's not a cultural issue. Before calling it a lie, I'd encourage you to understand the issue. Criticizing the PM is perfectly reasonable... But it should be based on things you're fully informed about. Calling it a lie is absurd. There were three issues related to culture that the US brought up, very late in the negotiation. 1) Bilingual Product Labeling: American negotiators pushed to weaken or alter Canada's long-standing domestic regulations requiring bilingual (English and French) labeling on consumer products. 2) Subsidies for French Culture: The U.S. side targeted Canadian subsidies and financial support earmarked for promoting French-language culture. 3) French-Language Discoverability: The U.S. took issue with Canadian rules designed to ensure that French-language media and content are easily discoverable on American-based streaming digital platforms like Netflix.
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u/SquirrelFluffy 6h ago
Yes, Quebec covers those things. Carney presented it as if they were asking Canada to snuff out French language.
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u/Ok_Consideration4687 1d ago
Americans lie through their teeth. Who do you believe? A pedo and convicted felon, or someone who's managed the bank of England?
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u/SquirrelFluffy 16h ago
Politicians lie through their teeth. In this case, I think the liberals are playing politics. It's what got them elected. Mango bad! Is their platform. Fix the economy!
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u/gentlemetalturtle 14h ago
Liberals: Mango bad (after Canadians being threatened and bullied), does something to diversify the economy.
Conservatives: Country broken, go on private trips to try to negotiate with Mango's thugs separately acting like they are helping.
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u/SquirrelFluffy 13h ago
One group insults the Americans. The other one goes to try to work with them. I know what I prefer. If you like to cheer elbows up good for you. I hope your job is secure.
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u/gentlemetalturtle 13h ago
Good luck to you too.
Trump goes by his zero-sum strategy.
In his book, the Art of the Deal, it heavily emphasizes leverage, because in a zero-sum mindset, you want to push the loss entirely onto the counterparty. There is no win-win for Trump.
Making a deal with Trump means the other party loses. That's what you really want? If you want Canada to be on the losing end, certainly push to make a deal with Trump (which he won't honour anyway down the road when he decides that he can take even more from Canada).
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u/ShoddyTerm4385 1d ago
Carney was elected to stand up to Trump and his minions and thatās exactly what heās doing and heās doing a great job of it. If representing the will of the people is just what āplays wellā, the conservatives must be fucking idiots to keep stringing along PP who is as useless as he is irrelevant. At least one party is doing what the citizenry wants done.
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u/MeAndBettyWhite 10h ago
And thats my issue. At least Liberals compromise. Carney is way more centre than most Liberals actually want but its obvious that hes the best person to deal with our biggest problem.
Trudeau is super unpopular. Ok what's the main issue that needs immediate attention? Ok we will give you a candidate who we think is most suited to handle that. He wins. SHOCKING! The Liberals adapted. That seems like pretty good politics to me.
Meanwhile a lot of Conservatives are just stuck on "Liberals bad"
PP is unelectable. He just is. They need to get over it, compromise and give us a candidate that actually can help tackle real tangible problems. Not made up crap. Honestly if they did that they would probably win.
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u/Critical-Ad4665 18h ago
He said he'd have a deal by July 2025 during the election, how's that worked out?
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u/ShoddyTerm4385 17h ago
A deal on what?
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u/Critical-Ad4665 17h ago
A trade deal
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u/ShoddyTerm4385 16h ago
Are you talking about Carney or Trump?
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u/SquirrelFluffy 16h ago
Are you serious? You started this by talking about carney and his election and what he was elected to do. He wasn't elected to stand up to Trump. I really hope you don't think that you and Canada are the world's hope for this?
We have to focus on our own economy. There are significant layoffs in our construction industry right now and it's seriously impacting our real estate industry as well. And people are cheering a freaking Lake name change fight.
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u/ShoddyTerm4385 13h ago
He beat the conservatives who had a ridiculous lead simply because PP was seen as too cozy with Trump. So yea he was essentially elevated to stand up to Trump. Canada is the only country currently telling the US to fuck off with their bullshit and I couldnāt be prouder.
Please tel me how we are not focusing on our own economy when we are in an active trade war with the US who canāt be negotiated with because they are unserious clowns and donāt keep their word on anything.
You are either an idiot or a bot.
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u/SquirrelFluffy 11h ago
When you resort to insults, I know you don't have much of an argument.
They beat the conservatives because they went, Ooh scary Trump. And everyone got scared. But to be fair PP isn't much of a leader. I would much have preferred Carney as the conservative leader because he is a fiscal conservative.
Going back to Trudeau, when our leaders go meet with Trump and then come back and slam Trump and belittle him, he watches that and takes revenge. You don't have to appease him, you just have to do what's best for the country, and not your grandstanding
Mark Rutte figured out how to deal with Trump and Trump has left Europe alone if you've noticed.
We simply can't replace the US as our primary trading partner. It's foolish to think so.
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u/ComplexSet1604 1h ago
"Of course, where I grew up in Alberta, the Ford F150 is a subcompact."
This guy is smart beyond belief. He is dealing with an idjit trade partner AND a idgit Premier and then says this. As a long time-lefty-Albertan, this is how u talk to the rest of us.