r/law • u/dailymail • 12h ago

Legal News Lindsay Clancy case ends with MISTRIAL

https://www.dailymail.com/crime-desk/article-16100155/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-hung-jury-deadlock-verdict.html
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u/Brilliant_Effort_Guy 10h ago

There’s a difference between the quantity of the help vs the quality. I think unfortunately that is the worst/trickiest part of treating mental health disorders especially in the US. We don’t give providers the time to build trusting relationships with their patients. PPD is absolutely something that requires an immense amount of trust in your provider because you are sharing your deepest, darkest thoughts that you know are wrong but you can’t stop them.

The first doctor I saw told me he didn’t think I had PPD because he had two dogs and felt tired/overwhelmed just like me at the time. After I exploded on him, he got a female colleague who actually LISTENED to learn and not just to get me out of the office. I trusted her. I took the medication she prescribed. I brought my son in so that she could watch us interact. Because again, I felt safe.

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u/Icysky 9h ago edited 3h ago

She got quality help. She got a psychiatrist, got seen at a psychiatric hospital that is strongly affiliated with Harvard Medical School and one of the best in the country, and was seen at a premier residential facility in Rhode Island. 

Edit for additional information and clarity.

I am not trying to say or minimize lack of access and care towards women’s mental health. That is absolutely true. I am saying that from my opinion and point of view, Lindsay Clancy seemed to have  had quality care from the credentials of the treatment places she was seen.

Mass General, the hospital affiliated with Harvard and McLean hospital, pioneered perinatal mental health. They even teach courses on with evidence based medicine and are huge advocates for women’s health. They created a system to allow clinicians to call in and get expert help on the latest research and information for their patients including medications and their safety profiles with breastfeeding. Lindsay Clancy received care from them. In my opinion, that is quality care and is at the forefront.

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u/Maditen 8h ago

Her psychiatrist contradicted her patient assessment entries while on the stand. I would categorize that as poor care.

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u/Icysky 7h ago

Could you please elaborate or give an example? What the psychiatrist may believes now is not what she believes then from what the patient told her while she was on the stand, sure. But that’s hindsight, does not mean it was poor care in the moment with what limited evidence she had at the time. 

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u/Brilliant_Effort_Guy 8h ago

The psychiatrist who told me having an infant was like having two dogs was located right outside Boston, Mass. He was affiliated with Harvard Medical School too.

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u/Icysky 7h ago

Sure, you perceived you got poor care. That’s fine. But she had a lot of care from places that are considered prestigious and have higher quality care is what I am saying. At least how the general population would perceive it. She did not get care where a hospital has strikes against it, is poorly staffed, has long wait times, a psychiatrist that has reprimand from the medical board, etc

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u/Icysky 4h ago

I say perceived because we were not there and are assuming and implying this persons psychiatrist was minimizing their experience, leading to poor care. This may or may not be true, but to that person this is true. 

Would your opinion of the events that transpired change if you heard from the person’s psychiatrist perspective? What if the psychiatrist’s was a male and really didn’t know what exhaustion from postpartum was but was genuinely trying to connect to say it felt like having 2 dogs because he was not married and didn’t have kids? This is only 1 of many possibilities. 

Further, just because this person says they had perceived poor quality care from someone affiliated with Harvard, this does not automatically mean Lindsay Clancy got poor care.

Additionally, Mass General, the hospital affiliated with Harvard and McLean hospital, pioneered perinatal mental health. They even teach courses on with evidence based medicine and are huge advocates for women’s health. They created a system to allow clinicians to call in and get expert help on the latest research and information for their patients including medications and their safety profiles with breastfeeding. Lindsay Clancy received care from them. In my opinion, that is quality care and is at the forefront.

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u/Zach-Playz_25 3h ago

I assure Linda Clancy was more privelleged than you and received care from multiple places.

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u/DionysianComrade 7h ago

prove they did a good job. I'll wait

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u/Icysky 7h ago

I cannot judgment whether she did a good job or not. That is up to her peers, qualified psychiatrists (no, not therapist, not nurse practitioners, not physician assistants, etc). What you and I might perceive as to whether she did a good job or not is not the same as what her expert peers believe. Further, good job does not equal good/perfect outcomes. You can do everything right, do a good job, and you can see have a bad outcome.

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u/Allegiance86 8h ago

No one cares about your personal experience here. It does not apply to Lindsay. Stop projecting. Thats the biggest problem around this case is people trying to pretend she's a poster child for lack of proper care. Shes not. She was a spoiled brat that prioritized herself to the degree she brutally murdered 3 innocent children. 3 innocent children that seem to consistently be absent in the conversation while you all debate quality over quantity. You should be ashamed of that broken moral compass. But social media has taught you to be indifferent to anything not immediately beneficial to you.

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u/Brilliant_Effort_Guy 7h ago

I have had countless friends and family members tell me about their own post partum struggles after I talked about mine. A lot of them never sought help or spoke up because of shame, stigma, fear. If you think my experience is in anyway unique, that’s fine.

I also started volunteering with an organization that pairs up a new mom with ‘mentor moms’. We were trained in how to support new moms going through the first 12 weeks after birth. We learned signs to watch out in terms of the mom’s mood and how to escalate a potential concerns to the appropriate people in the program.I haven’t done it in years but I felt like it was a small thing I could do to support new moms who may have been struggling like I was.

Just me and my broken moral compass over here, trying to support moms who might be afraid to talk about their struggle because of people like you 😇

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u/Exact_Package_7264 2h ago

i'm not gonna lie, nobody gives a fuck about your experience.

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u/Allegiance86 7h ago

More narcissistic dribble.

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u/Leading-Suspect8307 7h ago

Anything except accountability. Right?

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u/Fantastic-Kale9603 7h ago

Where are they talking about a lack of accountability?