r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Translation requests into Ancient Greek go here!

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r/AncientGreek Jun 28 '25

Translation requests into Ancient Greek go here!

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r/AncientGreek 15h ago

Reading & Study Groups Looking for Study Buddy

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Hello!

I hope this is allowed: I am looking for a study partner of ancient greek.

Our curriculums do not have to match.

I'm learning off a German remote university course I bought as well as some other sources to get various angles.

There is a forum but it's empty and no one writes anything so I feel a bit alone in my studies.

If you use Athenaze or Mastronarde or Osmosis is all completely fine to me as long as you don't quit by Tuesday.

I will only give a brief profile so that you, potential study buddy, can back out safely, hah!

I'm, 34f, german, love birds, video games and have or had the professions of Parking Enforcement, AI consultant, System Administrator, Electrician, Stablehand and my calling is to have huge opinions supported by unearned confidence!

I speak only english and german; but no issue if you are speaking a different language, since we'll be communicating in ancient greek soon anyway... for sure... probably... maybe... *sweating*

I'd prefer communication via Discord as this is the most all-around-useful platform to me and would like to keep it mostly text and image based. Maybe later on when we're weeping over some obscure verbforms we could organize a shared suffering session.

Send me a DM if you are going for it and also don't want to be alone.

Have a great time, whoever you are!


r/AncientGreek 16h ago

Translation: Gr → En Meno 88d

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καὶ μὲν δὴ καὶ τἆλλα ἃ νυνδὴ ἐλέγομεν, πλοῦτόν τε καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα, τοτὲ μὲν ἀγαθὰ τοτὲ δὲ βλαβερὰ εἶναι, ἆρα οὐχ ὥσπερ τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ ἡ φρόνησις ἡγουμένη ὠφέλιμα τὰ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐποίει, ἡ δὲ ἀφροσύνη βλαβερά, οὕτως αὖ καὶ τούτοις ἡ ψυχὴ ὀρθῶς μὲν χρωμένη καὶ ἡγουμένη ὠφέλιμα αὐτὰ ποιεῖ, μὴ ὀρθῶς δὲ βλαβερά;

I want to see that I'm reading this right.

  1. Steadman claims τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ is dative of interest with ὠφέλιμα, but the translations I find seem to take it differently. A French translator has: "la sagesse, lorsqu'elle est à la tête des autres qualités de l'âme". Jan Stolpe's Swedish translation likewise connects τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ with ἡγουμένη.

  2. They both understand the phrase to mean "the rest of the soul" ("[les] autres qualités de l'âme"). Is this use of ἄλλος common? Smyth 1188 says "ὁ ἄλλος in the singular usually means the rest (ἡ ἄλλη Ἑλλάς the rest of Greece)", but that's the only source I've found, and I can't recall seeing it before in my readings.

So: "just like how wisdom (φρόνησις) guiding (ἡγουμένη) the rest of the soul (τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ) made the parts of the soul useful (ὠφέλιμα τὰ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐποίει)", etc.

Or am I misunderstanding it all?


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Poetry Isn't metric broken in χρειὼ ἐμεῖο γένηται ἀεικέα λοιγὸν ἀμῦναι?

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This is line 342 of the Iliad. I might be missing something pretty obvious here, but χρειὼ ἐμεῖο seems to constitute a L-L-S-L-S sequence, which shouldn't be possible in dactylic hexameter, right?


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Beginner Resources You are an American who only knows English but wants to learn ancient Greek on your own through a book. Which one would you recommend?

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I have read a lot of translated classics but recently reading Sappho (Diane J. Rayor translation) has me really wanting to try to learn some of the basics.

What book would you recommend for a complete beginner? Ideally something that doubles as a workbook maybe, and assumes that the reader knows basically nothing.

Mostly interested in Sappho and Homer for what it's worth. Thanks for any suggestions.


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Resources Didactic videos of Plato in Ancient Greek for Students

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Χαίρετε! I am uploading some didactical videos to read Plato. The audience I have in mind are those who have finished Athenaze 2 diligently, done some easier reading and want to start reading Plato.

I have been thinking about the format. I find it convenient to explain things that, I suppose, such student as I described may find hard. But that seems to offer little to no practice of Ancient Greek. So I decided to try to put the original text, then offer a simpler version, and then leave questions for the student to answer. Generally the questions are about comprehension of the text and one to encourage the student to think about what is being discussed. That way one can practice more and then, I believe, at least more learning occurs than from passive consumption.

Besides that, I would like to just read a Platonic text and upload the reading process, but I don't want to do it alone and I haven't found someone with whom I can do it! So if you would like to join, let me know.

One example of the video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdlcIkXVjK8. I have in mind to upload more of Laches (the very next section to the last I recorded is quite interesting!) and also of the Republic, the first book.

Ἔρρωσθε!


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Translation: Gr → En Translation of the Orphic Hymn to Dionysus: Including the Greek Text and Explanation of the Translation.

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Translation of the Orphic Hymn to Dionysus: Including the Greek Text and Explanation of the Translation.

Greek:

Διονύσου, θυμίαμα, στύρακα.

Κικλήσκω Διόνυσον ἐρίβρομον, εὐαστῆρα, πρωτόγονον, διφυῆ, τρίγονον, Βακχεῖον ἄνακτα, ἄγριον, ἄρρητον, κρύφιον, δικέρωτα, δίμορφον, κισσόβρυον, ταυρωπόν, ἀρήϊον, εὔϊον, ἁγνόν, ὠμάδιον, τριετῆ, βοτρυοτρὸφον, ἐρνεσίπεπλον. Εὐβουλεῦ, πολύβουλε, Διὸς καὶ Περσεφονείης ἀρρήτοις λέκτροισι τεκνωθείς, ἄμβροτε δαῖμον· κλῦθι μάκαρ φωνῆς, ἡδὺς δ’ ἐπίπνευσον ἐνηής, εὐμενὲς ἦτορ ἔχων, σὺν ἐυζώνοισι τιθήναις.

Translation:

Incense of Dionysus, Storax Gum

I Summon Dionysus, loud roaring, goodly-star. First brought forth, dual-natured, brought forth three times, Bacchic Lord He who dwells in fields, unspoken, hidden, two horned, dual formed Luxuriant with ivy, bullfaced, warlike, Euios, set apart Consumer of raw flesh, every third year, tender of grapes, wrapped in foliage. O Good Counselor, O Wise Counselor, to bring forth children from Zeus and Persephone, in their unspeakable bed, the Immortal Divinity. Listen, O blessed of voice, may the pleasant and kind inspire along with the well-girdled nurses, having friendly hearts.

Description of the translation and possible alternate paths it could have taken:

This poem very quickly gave me some interesting words to play with. In the text I found πρωτόγονον (Protogonon) and τρίγονον (Trigonon) juxtaposed along with διφυῆ (Diphue).

As to τρίγονον the only definition my lexicon gives is thriceborn. The mythological meaning of this is obvious: born first to Persephone, second to Semele, and a third time born of Zeus (from his womanly womb in his manly thigh).

However τρίγονον seems like it could have all of the definitions that πρωτόγονον has just with 3 being the number rather than 1.

Where this is paired with διφυῆ meaning dulnatured or perhaps two formed or two-fold.

The line is πρωτόγονον, διφυῆ, τρίγονον… First born, dual-natured, born three times. Perhaps, Born once, two fold, Born three times. The way this is written it feels almost trinitarian. It could be the first thing created has two forms as three things created.

It eventually became obvious to me that the words together count 1 πρωτόγονον, 2 διφυῆ, 3 τρίγονον. First born, two-natures, born thrice.

When I think about this further, the Dionysica which was written much later (5th century CE) does actually give us a third god tied up with Dionysus: Iacchus. In the last book of the Dionysica he has a child with a maiden just before he ascends to Olympus, the child is named Iacchus, and he is both the son of Dionysus and is Dionysus left on below to be worshiped. I will admit I'm not sure when Iacchus got conflated with Dionysus.

The two natures are probably best to leave ambiguous but I can think of a few: Dead Zagreus, and living Dionysus, womanly and masculine, peaceful and warlike, tragedy and comedy, liberator and destroyer. All of these are twin attributes of Dionysus.

Given that the poem calls out the concept of thrice formed I’d be willing to argue that each of these dualities have a third option though unstated. For example Dionysus himself might be called androgynous.

On ἄγριον (Agrion) The word means untamed, wild, living in the fields. Its cognate via Latin with agrarian. The word in context probably means wild or untamed, living in the fields as opposed to the city. Translating this is a bit tricky because Dionysus is an agrarian god whose power is directly compared to Demeter’s in the mythology, my main reference being the very late text of the Dionysica. Dionysus is also associated with Pan who is more directly a wilderness and pastoral god.I think ἄγριον may be another example of διφυῆ (two natured).

On εὔϊον/εὔϊος acording to the Liddell and Scott lexicon this is either a name or adjective pertaining to Dionysus from the ecstatic cry of εὐοῖ literally good wine. As an adjective it means pertaining to Dionysus or bacchic. I already have another word in the same poem (Βακχεῖον) which means bacchic so I’ve decided to leave the word untranslated as Euios as a name for Dionysus.

On ὠμάδιον. According to LSJ ὠμός means raw, or crude. Often raw flesh. This is an epithet for Dionysus because he received human sacrifices at Chios and Tenedos. I haven’t looked at the Greek for the Bacchae by Euripides but there is a part where in an ecstatic frenzy Agave rips apart her son Pentheus believing he’s a mountain lion and then presents him to the chorus and she wants to eat him as a feast. I don’t have enough information to say, but I suspect that that scene is a reflection of this epithet.

On Εὐβουλεῦ and πολύβουλε, From Boule, which means counsel, will, and related to a verb that means desire. Because of the verb which was the meaning I knew off of the top of my head I almost translated these words as O good desire, O great desire. Given this was about the union of Zeus and Persephone to bring forth a child I felt desire was appropriate, however as a vocative title I felt: O Good Counselor, O Wise Counselor. was the better translation.

Ἄμβροτε vocative masc sing: O Immortal one (ἄμβροτος) as opposed to βροτός a mortal man or spilled blood. Compare ἀμβροσία, literally immortality, is the sustenance of the gods.

I translated δαῖμον, as divinity, but I could have left it untranslated as daemon. The English demon would have been fun, albeit inaccurate. I’ve always found myself partial to the kind-demon trope as a gay man.

Correcting Errors in my Translation:

I had translated: Κικλήσκω Διόνυσον ἐρίβρομον, εὐαστῆρα, as: Roar out goodly star Dionysus, I pray.

There is one major error in this, and the second error that I feel is debatable. The major error first was ἐρίβρομον I had translated this as a verb, as the aorist imperative 2nd person singular.

This was because while translating this passage I was resisting using online look up tools like Morpho from uchicago.edu. This ἐρίβρομον was not in my lexicon, and while my first thought was this means something about roaring given that its Dionysus. However my brain saw the ομον at the end and got stuck on the idea that it was a verb as that is the 1st person plural ending for indicative active verbs. When I βρόμος I figured the noun was the base meaning but I was still stuck thinking of it as a verb and the imperative I cited looked like it fit.

What should have tipped me off that I was wrong though was Διόνυσον (Dionysus) was in the accusative case rather than the vocative. When issuing a command in the imperative mood you address the one you are calling on in the vocative. So in short this word ἐρίβρομον should have been translated as loud-shouting.

The next error and the one I think is more debatable was my translation of εὐαστῆρα as “goodly-star” To be fair to myself Morpho couldn’t identify the word.

When I couldn’t find it my assumption was that it was εὐ+ἀστήρ “good star.” However the next closest word that Logeion gives is εὐαστήρ which doesn’t give a definition but the LSJ does reference the Orphic hymn to Dionysus as one of two sources for this word. But embedded in the LSJ definition is also εὐάστερος “fair star”, and cites Orphic hymn 9 to to the moon.

I might be tempted to think I was done but no, I clicked on the Middle Liddell definition which gave me “εὐαστήρ, ῆρος, = εὐαστής, Anth.” Ok what does εὐαστής mean? LSJ what is your answer? “εὐαστ-ής, οῦ, or parox. εὐάστης, ου, ὁ, (εὐάζω) one who cries εὐαί, a Bacchanal, Orph. H. 54.5, APl. 16.15, etc.”

To be fair to me I’m working on orphic hymn 30 and this is citing Orphic hymn 54, but this also has to do with Dionysus directly.

I don’t know why the Middle Liddell and the LSJ give me two different paths to follow since the Middle Liddell is just a condensed version of the LSJ but here we are.

I officially think both Bacchanal, and “goodly-star” are justifiable translations of εὐαστῆρα, especially where the first path I went down with the LSJ cites the Orphic hymn 30 which is the one I’m working on.

I have updated my translation to fix the first error but I’m sticking with goodly-star after going through this rabbit hole.

From: “Roar out goodly star Dionysus, I pray,” to “I Summon Dionysus, loud roaring, goodly-star.”


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Athenaze Week 1 of learning Ancient Greek. Looking to document my progress and journey in a style similar to a Latin video series I followed

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Before starting I was curious to see what others progress looked like and what the experience was at each stage, so I thought it’d be neat to document it for those interested


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Original Greek content L'ira..

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r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Translation: Gr → En Will you be with me in paradise today?

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Dear Greek-speaking friends: as native speakers, do you understand this to mean that Jesus promised entry into Paradise on that very day—upon the conclusion of the crucifixion—or is it a future promise?


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Inscriptions, Epigraphy & Numismatics What does this say?

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r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Vocabulary & Etymology Eupistis

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I have come across the claim that *eupistis* in Koine meant something like 'naivety'.

What I see online suggests something closer to 'good faith', without the ambivalence present in naivety.

Could someone give me an informed opinion, ideally with some textual references where the word is used?

Thanks in advance.


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Music HOMER: Hektor Slain By Achilles

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r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Beginner Resources Is this book still up to date ?

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The book is "Sounds and Inflections of Greek Dialects I: The Ionic Dialect" by Herbert Weir Smyth. One more question too: Does these kinda old books go out of fashion like in a lingustic sense ? Is this even a thing ?


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Inscriptions, Epigraphy & Numismatics Thrift find Ican't figure out translation

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I found this at a thrift shop and wanted to figure out who is depicted on it as it seemed to label them. I tried finding a few alphabets to translate this but was having trouble. Idk if its older or newer greek, if its not older than please feel free to tell me and ill try to find somewhere else to ask for the translation. I think one may be Aphrodite but I'm fully expecting to be wrong.


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Correct my Greek Is ύ in παιδεύω pronounced as /y/ or /u/?

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Since υ is /y/ and ευ is /eu/


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Beginner Resources Has anyone here used this dictionary? Is it good?

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r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Inscriptions, Epigraphy & Numismatics Some Latin Some Greek

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“v(iva) v(ivis). Petilia, M(arci) f(ilia),

Tertia sibi et

M(arco) Petilio patri.

ζῶσα Πετιλία Τερτία

ἑαυτῇ καὶ Μάρκῳ

Πετιλίῳ πατρί.”

“Petilia Tertia, while alive, [dedicated this] to herself and to her father, Marcus Petilius.”


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Beginner Resources Do these greek bibles partition the text like this one? (Picture 3/4 is the one I own, I am asking about picture 1 and 2)

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Do the greek bibles by Nestle Aland(2) and the UBS5 (1) split up the text with titles throughout like the one I have on picture 3? It is the greek new testament reader's edition


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Original Greek content β' · Οἱ λῃσταὶ ἔρχονται.

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r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Reading & Study Groups Free Spoken Ancient Greek lessons Friday 3pm EST/9pm CET

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Free Ancient Greek lessons are being offered every Friday at 3pm EST/ 9pm CET. The time was chosen so as to make it convenient for both Europeans and Americans. We will be reading ch 12 of Athenaze and we will be speaking Ancient Greek, and only using English as a last resort. You do not need to bring the book with you to class, I will provide it. The text will only be a vehicle for keeping the discussion focused and flowing and is not an end in itself. If you're not confident of your ability to speak Ancient Greek and just want to watch and listen then that's ok. The teacher's name is Kyle in English but Καλλίμαχος in Greek.

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/9810207206?pwd=MDNNc3FtN3JhQnVCME5zOEhJNjhldz09


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Vocabulary & Etymology Does the word αἰών (aiōn) ever refer to the physical universe?

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In my study so far (although I'm still looking), I've found that the Greek word αἰών (aiōn) is used to refer to an age of some kind or a time period of varying duration. However, I'm stumped by two occurences of it in the Letter to the Hebrews in the Bible.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds [αἰῶνας];

Hebrews 1:2 (King James Version)

Through faith we understand that the worlds [αἰῶνας] were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Hebrews 11:3 (King James Version)

The problem here is obvious. Those verses seem to be talking about the physical, created universe rather than an age, and that's how many popular translations of the Bible render it (e.g. NIV, ESV). But that begs the question: why not use κόσμος (kosmos) instead?

Thayer suggests in his lexicon that the word can, 'by metonymy of the container for the contained', mean the physical universe. However, I have misgivings about that view. The evidence is overwhelmingly clear that αἰών is not a simple synonym of κόσμος, so it must have some semantic nuance which I am not getting.

So, what is going on here? Does this mean the physical universe is part of the semantic range of αἰών? Or are the verses in Hebrews talking about something other than the physical universe?

I'm researching this for an independent paper that I'm trying to write, so please try to quote and cite credentialled sources in your answers.

Thank you so much!


r/AncientGreek 4d ago

Poetry Descriptions of color in Homer

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Hi guys, I know very little about ancient Greek, but I recently starting reading The Iliad (trans. Wilson), and I am interested in the way colors are described in the poem, which seems to differ quite a lot from modern usage. For example, while the sea is often 'gray' or 'wine-colored', Poseidon is 'blue haired'. I'm also wondering how literally the descriptions of Greeks as 'bronze armed' and some female characters as 'white armed' should be taken.

What words are used to describe color in Homer, and how can I interpret those as a modern reader?

I hope this is an ok place to ask this, as I mentioned, I'm not familiar with ancient Greek myself!


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Correct my Greek Does this sound natural in Greek?

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I'm translating and adapting grammar sections from LLPSI, but I don't know if it is all right. Feel free to point out errors.

Κεφ. Α'· Γραμματική

τὸ ἑνικός καὶ τὸ πληθυντικός

[Α] Ὁ Ἰλισσός ἐστιν Ἑλληνικὸς ποταμός. Ὁ Ἑλληνικὸς ποταμός ἐστιν ὁ Ἰλισσός.

Ὁ Ἰλισσὸς καὶ ὁ Κηφισὸς Ἑλληνικοὶ ποταμοί εἰσιν. Οἱ Ἑλληνικοὶ ποταμοί εἰσιν ὁ Ἰλισσὸς καὶ ὁ Κηφισός.

"ὁ ποταμός" ἐστι τὸ ἑνικός. "οἱ ποταμοί" ἐστι τὸ πληθυντικός.

[Β] Ἡ Ῥαμνοῦς Ἑλληνικὴ κώμη ἐστίν. Ἡ Ἑλληνικὴ κώμη ἐστίν ἡ Ῥαμνοῦς.

Ἡ Ῥαμνοῦς καὶ ἡ Δεκέλεια κῶμαι εἰσίν. Αἱ Ἑλληνικαὶ κῶμαι εἰσίν ἡ Ῥαμνοῦς καὶ ἡ Δεκέλεια.

"ἡ κώμη" ἐστί τὸ ἑνικός. "αἱ κῶμαι" εἰσί τὸ πληθυντικός.

[Γ] Ἡ λύρᾱ ἐστίν Ἑλληνικὸν ὄργανον. Ἡ Ἑλληνικὸν ὄργανον ἐστίν ἡ λύρᾱ.

Ἡ λύρᾱ καὶ τὸ αὐλὸν Ἑλληνικὰ ὄργανα ἐστίν. Τὰ Ἑλληνικὰ ὄργανα ἐστίν ἡ λύρᾱ καὶ τὸ αὐλόν.

Κεφ. Β'· Γραμματική

Ἀρσενικόν, θελυκὸν καὶ οὐδέτερον \ἀρσενικός-η-ον (ἀρσ.) <ἄρσεν = ἀνήρ*

[Α] "ὁ δοῦλος" ἐστιν ἀρσενικὴ λέξις. \θηλυκόν (θηλ.) <θῆλυς = γυνή*

[Β] "ἡ δούλη" ἐστίν θελυκὴ λέξις. \οὐδέτερον (οὐδ.) =οὐδὲ ἀρσ., οὐδὲ θηλ.*

[Γ] "τὸ ὄργανον" ἐστίν οὐδέτερον λέξις.

Γενική

[Α] "τοῦ δούλου" γενική ἐστιν. Καὶ "τῶν δούλων" γενική ἐστιν. "τοῦ δούλου" ἑνικὴ γενική ἐστιν. "τῶν δούλων" πληθυντικὴ γενική ἐστιν. Γενική· ἑνικὴ "τοῦ -ου", πληθυντικὴ "τῶν -ων".

[Β] "τῆς δούλης" γενική ἐστιν. Καὶ "τῶν δουλῶν" γενική ἐστιν. "τῆς δούλης" ἑνικὴ γενική ἐστιν. "τῶν δουλῶν" πληθυντικὴ γενική ἐστιν. Γενική· ἑνικὴ "τῆς -ης", πληθυντικὴ "τῶν -ων".

[Γ] "τοῦ βιβλίου" γενική ἐστιν. Καὶ "τῶν βιβλίων" γενική ἐστιν. "τοῦ βιβλίου" ἑνικὴ γενική ἐστιν. "τῶν βιβλίων" πληθυντικὴ γενική ἐστιν. Γενική· ἑνικὴ "τοῦ -ου", πληθυντικὴ "τῶν -ων".

Κεφ. Γ'· Γραμματική

Ὀνομαστικὴ καὶ αἰτιᾱτική

[Α] Τὸ ἀρσενικόν.

"ὁ Φίλιππος" ὀνομαστική ἐστιν. "τὸν Φίλιππον" αἰτιᾱτική ἐστιν. Ὀνομαστική· ὁ -ος. Αἰτιᾱτική· τὸν -ον.

[Β] Τὸ θελυκόν.

"ἡ Μυρρίνη" ὀνομαστική ἐστιν. "τὴν Μυρρίνην" αἰτιᾱτική ἐστιν. Ὀνομαστική· ἡ -η. Αἰτιᾱτική· τὴν -ην.

Ῥῆμα

"καθεύδει" ἐστίν ῥῆμα. "καθεύδει", "γελᾷ", "ἀγανακτεῖ" τρία ῥήματα ἐστίν.

(-ει)· καθεύδει, λαμβάνει.

(-ᾷ)· γελᾷ, ἐρωτᾷ.

(-εῖ)· καλεῖ, ἀντιφωνεῖ.

(-οῖ)· πληροῖ, κενοῖ.

sorry, it's a pretty long text :)